• 22 year old spared jail over sex with 15 year old - "it was utterly inappropriate but fully consente
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[QUOTE=Ownederd;46565488]'some' ? this isn't really the place for personal anecdotes, and it is related to this situation because adult on young teenager sex is more often than not a power issue[/QUOTE] It only takes one example to disprove your ridiculous statement that a 15 year old can't be aware of the consequences of having sex. My comment has nothing to do with the power issue in this particular situation. I agree that those in a position of power shouldn't exploit anyone they have power over, [I]including sex[/I]. I am only commenting about the ability of a 15 year old to be aware of the consequences of and consent to sex.
[QUOTE=Skarr;46565508]It only takes one example to disprove your ridiculous statement that a 15 year old can't be aware of the consequences of having sex. My comment has nothing to do with the power issue in this particular situation. I agree that those in a position of power shouldn't exploit anyone they have power over, [I]including sex[/I]. I am only commenting about the ability of a 15 year old to be aware of the consequences of and consent to sex.[/QUOTE] except your own personal experience isn't representative of the majority lol
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46565482]He was their dance coach, they could just have left. He held no actual power over them.[/QUOTE] He held emotional power over them.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46565512]except your own personal experience isn't representative of the majority lol[/QUOTE] It doesn't have to be. You claimed that all 15 year olds are incapable of being aware of the consequences of sex. Not that the majority are. You've also yet to provide any evidence from a credible source that confirms your claim.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565496]Everyone in here defending this ruling is defending a clear cut sex crime. It doesn't matter if the girls consented, because they're under the age of consent. He's 8 years their senior, and in a position of power over them. 15 year olds do not understand the ramifications or consequences of sex (It's possible some do, but you can safely say that's not the majority), and even if you make an argument against this, [I]the teacher was caught because of nude pictures.[/I] He has literal child porn. And even if you find some way to defend that, [B][I]THE GIRLS FEEL USED BY HIM.[/I][/B] What this boils down to is a judge bent the law to let a pedophile successfully have his way with two young girls. This is illegal in every way, and this man should be in jail. It's fucking shameful and disgusting that so many people here are genuinely defending this sick fuck and the judge who let him walk free.[/QUOTE] OK, so what you're saying here is that 15 year olds don't understand the consequences of sex, but if they'd been 16, they would have understood them?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;46565528]OK, so what you're saying here is that 15 year olds don't understand the consequences of sex, but if they'd been 16, they would have understood them?[/QUOTE] No, what I'm saying is that the judge literally bent the law so someone could fuck two underage girls and people are defending it. Don't put words in my mouth. 2 16 year olds fucking a 22 year old would be just as creepy.
like, I think the guy was a sick fuck, but as soon as you mention the age of consent and them 'not understanding the consequences of sex', you've made a complete shit argument
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565539]No, what I'm saying is that the judge literally bent the law so someone could fuck two underage girls and people are defending it. Don't put words in my mouth. 2 16 year olds fucking a 22 year old would be just as creepy.[/QUOTE] Something being creepy isn't grounds for it being illegal. I'm not going to defend this particular case because I do agree that his being in a position of power makes it wrong for him to have sex with them, but I will say that at least some 15 year-olds are capable of understanding the consequences of sex and therefore should be able to consent.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565539]No, what I'm saying is that the judge literally bent the law so someone could fuck two underage girls and people are defending it. Don't put words in my mouth. 2 16 year olds fucking a 22 year old would be just as creepy.[/QUOTE] nope, not putting words in your mouth. Literally taking the words that you've said [quote] It doesn't matter if the girls consented, because they're under the age of consent.[/quote] cool, so if they'd consented at the age of consent, [B]16[/B], it would have been considered fine consent. Ergo, one year older, that's fine for them to say yes. [quote]15 year olds do not understand the ramifications or consequences of sex[/quote] but, at the same time, you've brought up them being under the age of consent, implying that 16 year olds somehow do comprehend the ins and outs of sex. so, you disagree with the age of consent being what it is Starlight?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;46565544]like, I think the guy was a sick fuck, but as soon as you mention the age of consent and them 'not understanding the consequences of sex', you've made a complete shit argument[/QUOTE] What? They're perfectly valid parts of the story. It's unlikely that a 15 year old really, truly understands sex and what it means socially and physically. [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;46565573]nope, not putting words in your mouth. Literally taking the words that you've said cool, so if they'd consented at the age of consent, [B]16[/B], it would have been considered fine consent. Ergo, one year older, that's fine. but, at the same time, you've brought up them being under the age of consent, implying that 16 year olds somehow do comprehend the ins and outs of sex.[/QUOTE] I didn't even fucking remotely imply that. Quit it, and come back with an actual argument, instead of just attacking me. I'm not going to continue this, since it's blatantly obvious you're willing to defend a rapist because the girls (Who I'll state again are quoted as saying they felt ‘tricked and sullied’ by the man) are just barely not legal, which obviously makes it perfectly fine and dandy.
[QUOTE=Skarr;46565525]It doesn't have to be. You claimed that all 15 year olds are incapable of being aware of the consequences of sex. Not that the majority are. You've also yet to provide any evidence from a credible source that confirms your claim.[/QUOTE] ok bub but u shouldn't still use personal anecdotes because they offer nothing to the argument
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46565593]ok bub but u shouldn't still use personal anecdotes because they offer nothing to the argument[/QUOTE] Neither does making a claim you cannot support.
I see that pedopunch is out in full force again today, judging from those winner ratings.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46565607]I see that pedopunch is out in full force again today, judging from those winner ratings.[/QUOTE] Even if you think that what the guy did was wrong, this isn't pedophilia.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565574]What? They're perfectly valid parts of the story. It's unlikely that a 15 year old really, truly understands sex and what it means socially and physically. [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] I didn't even fucking remotely imply that. Quit it, and come back with an actual argument, instead of just attacking me.[/QUOTE] the fact that you've suddenly gotten enormously defensive suggests that you don't actually have an answer to my question of what you think the age of consent should be or that you're embarrassed that taking the AoC as it is, means that you think it would have been fine if he'd fucked them after they'd seen another birthday cake
Age of consent in Sweden is 15 so this is perfectly fine in my book and would have been weird otherwise.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46565636]Age of consent in Sweden is 15 so this is perfectly fine in my book and would have been weird otherwise.[/QUOTE] Age of consent does not determine morality.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46565174]no 2 people compared side by side will have the same developmental output but 18 is a common reference point because that's when the human body has matured to a certain stage. a 15 year old is going to have more problems comprehending the consequences of banging a 22 year old. [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1407571&p=45326072&viewfull=1#post45326072[/url] lol[/QUOTE] Why isn't he banned?
Send me to prison for life then, I'm 22 and the last festival I went to was a complete orgy. I don't even remember the ages of those I was with, but I think it averaged out around 16. Legal in denmark! :asawe:
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;46565624]the fact that you've suddenly gotten enormously defensive suggests that you don't actually have an answer to my question of what you think the age of consent should be or that you're embarrassed that taking the AoC as it is, means that you think it would have been fine if he'd fucked them after they'd seen another birthday cake[/QUOTE] Can you read? [quote]2 16 year olds fucking a 22 year old would be just as creepy.[/quote] Do I need to spell it out more simply for you? No, I don't think 16 is a good age of consent. 16 year olds are still developing significantly.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565665]Can you read? Do I need to spell it out more simply for you?[/QUOTE] yes please, because that's still not an answer to what you think the AoC should be
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565496]Everyone in here defending this ruling is defending a clear cut sex crime. It doesn't matter if the girls consented, because they're under the age of consent.[/QUOTE] Saying it shouldn't be a sex crime, and age of consent is either bullshit or too high depending on who of us you ask, to be precise. [QUOTE]15 year olds do not understand the ramifications or consequences of sex (It's possible some do, but you can safely say that's not the majority),[/QUOTE] [citation needed] [QUOTE]and even if you make an argument against this, [I]the teacher was caught because of nude pictures.[/I] He has literal child porn.[/QUOTE] That was, again, taken with the consent of the girls. And I'm going by the definition of consent without the age requirement, because I disagree with that requirement. [QUOTE]And even if you find some way to defend that, [B][I]THE GIRLS FEEL USED BY HIM.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] Well, sucks for them, but maybe they should have thought of that before they went ahead and fucked him. The consequences of sex really aren't that hard to understand.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;46565624]the fact that you've suddenly gotten enormously defensive suggests that you don't actually have an answer to my question of what you think the age of consent should be or that you're embarrassed that taking the AoC as it is, means that you think it would have been fine if he'd fucked them after they'd seen another birthday cake[/QUOTE] Stop oppressing him and actually think with your brain for once
Enjoy defending rapists and pedophiles. I'm done. See you on the news some day, Cloak Raider and Skarr.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46565442]Please show me the study that says "no 15 year old is capable of understanding the consequences of sex".[/QUOTE] you're really keen on the whole "purposefully misinterpreting people to further your own argument" thing aren't you he never said EVERY 15 year old is unaware of the consequences but of course you know that [QUOTE=DrTaxi;46565482]He was their dance coach, they could just have left. He held no actual power over them.[/QUOTE] define actual power
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46565681]Enjoy defending rapists and pedophiles. I'm done. See you on the news some day, Cloak Raider and Skarr.[/QUOTE] Because everyone who disagrees with you is a horrible person who is going to commit crimes. Right.
[QUOTE=Budapi;46565677]Stop oppressing him and actually think with your brain for once[/QUOTE] fuck i oppressed him out of the thread shit, quick get him back, he has questionable positions on the age of consent, for all we know he could be heading for the nearest creche.
loving how the word 'pedophilia' gets thrown around here like a hot potato it reminds me of 4chan's habit of completely changing the definition of words like 'autism' and using them whenever convenient [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DmpnyYX.png[/IMG] 15 is nowhere near prepubescent, retards being attracted to something with an ass and tits as a male is perfectly normal as well manipulating them into sleeping with you, as was done in the OP, is not - THIS is what he should be primarily judged for
ya - it's ephebophilia which is p fuckin nasty for any adult to have
Being attracted to underage teenagers is normal, you heard it here folks
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