• 22 year old spared jail over sex with 15 year old - "it was utterly inappropriate but fully consente
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[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566050] ok? homosexuality has been observed among flies and monkeys and[B] it's not something u choose to have one day - u are either gay or u aren't[/B]. and it isn't really comparable to pedophilia because homosexuality normally involves two consenting parties[/QUOTE] Well while there's probably no studies on this, I kinda doubt pedo/hebe/ephebophilia is something voluntary either.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566050] ok? homosexuality has been observed among flies and monkeys and it's not something u choose to have one day - u are either gay or u aren't. and it isn't really comparable to pedophilia because homosexuality normally involves two consenting parties[/QUOTE] A lot of things that are not "normal" can be observed in living organisms. He's saying it is not normal, not that it's wrong. Like being born with 6 fingers is not normal but in some cases where they mutated fine it is not wrong or bad.
[QUOTE=maxumym;46566067]Well while there's probably no studies on this, I kinda doubt pedo/hebe/ephebophilia is something voluntary either.[/QUOTE] there's been hundreds and hundreds of studies directly related to homosexuality dude [QUOTE=itisjuly;46566080]A lot of things that are not "normal" can be observed in living organisms. He's saying it is not normal, not that it's wrong. Like being born with 6 fingers is not normal but in some cases where they mutated fine it is not wrong or bad.[/QUOTE] seriously imagine being adult in this age and saying that homosexuality isn't normal
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566050]ok? homosexuality has been observed among flies and monkeys and it's not something u choose to have one day - u are either gay or u aren't.[/QUOTE] Neither are being attracted to children or your cousin. [QUOTE]and it isn't really comparable to pedophilia because homosexuality normally involves two consenting parties[/QUOTE] They are sexual orientations/attractions a minority of people have. That far, they are comparable.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46566088][B]Neither are being attracted to children or your cousin. [/B] They are sexual orientations/attractions a minority of people have. That far, they are comparable.[/QUOTE] i've never stated that u aren't born a pedo fyi
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566081]there's been hundreds and hundreds of studies directly related to homosexuality dude [/QUOTE] Bad reading x 1 (list)
[QUOTE=maxumym;46566101]Bad reading x 1 (list)[/QUOTE] lol ok? u said that there's probably no studies on the cause of homosexuality. r u really this unsure of wat u think
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566081]seriously imagine being adult in this age and saying that homosexuality isn't normal[/QUOTE] Depends on what you define as 'normal'. This goes for everything.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566107]lol ok? u said that there's probably no studies on the cause of homosexuality. r u really this unsure of wat u think[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=maxumym;46566067]Well while there's probably no studies on this, I kinda doubt pedo/hebe/ephebophilia is something voluntary either.[/QUOTE] I was talking about studies on the cause of pedophilia.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566107]lol ok? u said that there's probably no studies on the cause of homosexuality. r u really this unsure of wat u think[/QUOTE] holy shit are you serious
[QUOTE=maxumym;46566120]I was talking about studies on the cause of pedophilia.[/QUOTE] ok then why did u bold what i said about the cause of homosexuality
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566081] seriously imagine being adult in this age and saying that homosexuality isn't normal[/QUOTE] Bam done. What now?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566134]ok then why did u bold what i said about the cause of homosexuality[/QUOTE] [quote] it's not something u choose to have one day[/quote]
yeah that's what i said u are born with it, and u said that there aren't that many studies to back it up u are also born a pedo but thats different cause u need help cause its always rape. there's also been a lot of studies on that
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46565827]Well, they've made it clear later. But my argument was that as long as there's at least some 15 year olds who can give informed consent to sex, there shouldn't be a law prohibiting it.[/QUOTE] Yes, there should. What, are you proposing that we should let 12-year-olds drink, drive, sign contracts, own firearms, vote etc. because a [I]very small minority[/I] of them have the maturity to handle those responsibilities at that age? How exactly do you propose that we measure the abstract concept of maturity of every single individual? Sure, there are some people who are ready to make decisions like these before the legal AOC. That does not invalidate the need for such laws to exist. Most people aren't ready to handle those responsibilities at that age, and the potential consequences are catastrophic.
notmeh and maxumym confirmed pedos [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of perma'd user" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Budapi;46566236]notmeh and maxumym confirmed pedos[/QUOTE] Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Judge had terrible reasoning imo. Guy should have been jailed.
Because nobody is responsible enough to debate the topic of sexual maturity without turning it into a shit-throwing contest, let's boil this down to the legal aspects. The Crown Prosecution Service provides [URL="http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/s9_sexual_activity_with_a_child/"]sentencing guidelines[/URL] for age of consent concerns. Note this tidbit: [QUOTE]The sentence for S9 and S10 offences is likely to be less where the victim is under 16 rather than under 13 (per Rose LJ in R v Corran and others [2005] 2 Cr.App.R.(S) 73).[/QUOTE] As I pointed out before, this law is oriented towards protecting pre-teens, not early teens, so the sentences should be reduced in this case (especially considering the age of 15). Keep in mind, the age of consent in the UK used to be 13. These laws are designed to protect those under 13, not specifically those added when the age was raised to 16. Unfortunately, the Daily Mail (unsurprisingly) is rather vague. It only cites him "having sex" with one of the girls. So if you are basing this off of a purely legal sense, it is ambiguous, but it is possible to get off without jail time in this case. According to case law, such an age differential is small, which is a significant mitigating factor. Whether you want to argue amongst yourselves over whether the law itself is appropriate is really beyond me at this stage.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46566107]lol ok? u said that there's probably no studies on the cause of homosexuality. r u really this unsure of wat u think[/QUOTE] Learn to spell holy shit
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46566062]Why wouldn't you want to tell anyone if your teacher/neighbor/whatever wants to touch you bad? Not to mention in most cases you'd have to explain to your parents why you left/switched your coach.[/QUOTE] Shame, embarassment etc., and switching coaches would be easy to explain away. You just didn't like him, you wanted to try out something different, he wasn't doing his job well anymore... [QUOTE]If anything we should encourage people to report abuse instead of running away from it.[/QUOTE] We should, but the reality is that's often not what happens. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;46566066]And do you disagree with the opposite? That as long as there are 15 year olds who are not aware of the consequences, who can't make an informed decision and may end up in abusive relationships or emotionally scared, there SHOULD be a law, regardless of the fact that there may be a few 15yo's out there who could consent? Would you really risk the emotional and physical well-being of millions of teenagers out there just because some of them may actually be mature enough to know what they're getting into?[/QUOTE] There's two parts to this. One, I don't think the majority of 15 year olds are too immature, and further, I think children should be raised to be more self-reliant and less dependent on (and under the influence of) authority figures like parents and teachers; besides that, I think the way society looks on sex as such serious business is unhealthy, but I acknowledge that that's a bigger issue and changing or abolishing the age of consent isn't gonna help with it. Two, I think each particular case should be examined for whether the teenager was able to take responsibility. Removing the hard age limit doesn't mean you have to people exploit minors formerly under it without fear of prosecution. Coercing or manipulating someone into sex is already outlawed as rape anyway (in places where it isn't, it should be, I'm sure we all agree on that). Just be extra suspicious when the purported victim is a minor. [QUOTE=Geikkamir;46566163]How exactly do you propose that we measure the abstract concept of maturity of every single individual? Sure, there are some people who are ready to make decisions like these before the legal AOC. That does not invalidate the need for such laws to exist. Most people aren't ready to handle those responsibilities at that age, and the potential consequences are catastrophic.[/QUOTE] It's not really that hard to figure out whether the person you're about to sleep with is mentally ready for that. And neither would it be for a psychiatrist if you get sued afterwards. Where I live, this already happens. Germany sets the absolute minimum age of consent to 14; however, if one partner is aged between 14 and 16 and the other is older than 21, the individual teenager's sexual (im)maturity has to be determined. I'm not sure exactly how they do it, though.
[QUOTE=Crash155;46566323]Learn to spell holy shit[/QUOTE] i can assure u i'm well versed in english i just don't really care, sorry. if i want to use shorthand, i will [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Effectivily shitposting + More where that came from" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Crash155;46566323]Learn to spell holy shit[/QUOTE] Learn to not molest children
[QUOTE=Budapi;46566336]Learn to not molest children[/QUOTE] Just because someone is attracted to minors doesn't necessarily mean he's ever gonna actually go out on the streets and molest them.
[QUOTE=Budapi;46566336]Learn to not molest children[/QUOTE] Epic post
[QUOTE=NotMeh;46565810]??? Yes, your dick reacting to a person who looks sexually mature is normal Listen dude, humans are animals, your mind and morals come second whether you want it or not[/QUOTE] you scare me
[QUOTE=maxumym;46566384]Just because someone is attracted to minors doesn't necessarily mean he's ever gonna actually go out on the streets and molest them.[/QUOTE] Of course not, you're going to be locked up in a mental institution. Can't really molest children there ...
Just ignore him mates. Brand new account, age 50, Israel flag dog. More than likely an alt account and will probably be banned soon. He's just shitposting to get a reaction out of you. At least Ownederd has a point, I think.
Pedophile apologists are sickening tbh
thread is disgusting
Fucking a 15 year old, regardless of the circumstances, isn't pedophilia. There's a separate word for it. Pedophilia by definition means they engage or wish to engage in sexual activity with prepubescent children. If there's an implied lack of consent, it's statutory rape. It doesn't make the guy a pedophile.
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