[QUOTE=ToumaniSquirrel;45410480]Why are they fighting each other again?[/QUOTE]
Gaza elected a government who's mission statement is to wipe Israel off the map or kill all Gazans trying to do so.
Israel is returning fire after rocket attacks on their population centers from said government.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;45413838]Israel can't just sit back and let themselves get bombed. Apply this situation to any other civilized country and of course there's going to be retaliation. Terrorist group A bombs technologically superior nation B and therefore A is in for a shit storm. Are they just supposed to ignore it everytime a bomb lands on their territory? People treat Isreal like they're the devil for doing that unless theres something I'm missing here.[/QUOTE]
There's a fucking HUGE leap between just accepting attacks from terrorists and actively targeting civilians. You don't bomb a hospital full of civilians to stop terrorists, you don't bulldoze civilian homes to stop terrorists, you don't shoot at kids throwing rocks to stop terrorists. Israel has taken the idea of disproportionate retribution and run it into the ground.
If Israel actually wanted this shit to stop they'd work on removing the leader's of Hamas, not attack civilian structures and then say "B-but they were using human shields!" They were, but you don't just destroy the civilians and then act like the good guy.
Israel deliberately starves Palestinians in Gaza. Even their own government admits it.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;45414329]There's a fucking HUGE leap between just accepting attacks from terrorists and actively targeting civilians. You don't bomb a hospital full of civilians to stop terrorists, you don't bulldoze civilian homes to stop terrorists, you don't shoot at kids throwing rocks to stop terrorists. Israel has taken the idea of disproportionate retribution and run it into the ground.
If Israel actually wanted this shit to stop they'd work on removing the leader's of Hamas, not attack civilian structures and then say "B-but they were using human shields!" They were, but you don't just destroy the civilians and then act like the good guy.[/QUOTE]
Why does Isreal seem to hate the Palestinians?
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;45414654]Why does Isreal seem to hate the Palestinians?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;45414686]It doesn't?[/QUOTE]
Then why do they starve the Palestinians who live in Gaza of food and resources. Israeli politicians believe in the concept of collective punishment.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414692]Then why do they starve the Palestinians who live in Gaza of food and resources. Israeli politicians believe in the concept of collective punishment.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know there is not a blockade on the West Bank Palestinians and Arab Palestinians living in Israel have full rights. Gaza is blockaded because of HAMAS actions not because Israeli's hate Palestinians.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414692]Then why do they starve the Palestinians who live in Gaza of food and resources. Israeli politicians believe in the concept of collective punishment.[/QUOTE]
They don't?
"Hamas officials concede that the blockade has not caused a humanitarian crisis in its classic sense.
"There is no starvation in Gaza," said Khalil Hamada, a senior official at Hamas's ministry of justice. "No-one has died of hunger." ([URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7806209/Dispatch-Just-how-hungry-is-Gaza.html[/URL])
Remember that there was no blockage for 2 years after Israel left Gaza. Only after Hamas wrested control from Fatah in a civil war did the blockade start.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;45414732]As for as I know there is not a blockade on the West Bank Palestinians and Arab Palestinians living in Israel have full rights. Gaza is blockaded because of HAMAS actions not because Israeli's hate Palestinians.[/QUOTE]
You're full of shit, ie: Israeli propaganda.
The Israeli government set a "red line" on the 'requirements of basic nutritional health for people living in Gaza'. Yet the bare minimum was not even close to being met and Israel is now starving Gaza of food and resources in it's purely evil plan to collectively punish and make the lives of Gaza's civilian population.
[QUOTE]The Israeli human rights group Gisha, which campaigns against Israel's Gaza blockade, fought a long legal battle to get the Israeli ministry of defence to release this document.
Dated from 2008 and entitled, Food Consumption in the Gaza Strip - The Red Lines, it is a detailed study of how many calories Palestinians needed to eat to avoid malnutrition.
It breaks foods down into various categories including meat, dairy, vegetables and fruit.
Gisha says it explains the unusual restrictions which allowed some products such as cinnamon in, while others such as coriander were forbidden.
The "red lines" documents concluded that Israel needed to allow 106 lorryloads of supplies into Gaza every day to allow for the "daily humanitarian portion", which included basic food, medicine, medical equipment, hygiene products and agricultural inputs.
But Gisha says that during that time an average of only 67 lorryloads a day were allowed into Gaza.
This, the group says, compared to about 400 lorryloads which entered Gaza each day before the blockade was tightened in June 2007.
Israel's blockade of Gaza was eased three years later following international pressure. It currently allows in about 1,000 lorryloads of goods, medicines and construction materials every week.
Before 2010, millions of dollars worth of food products were being smuggled into Gaza through tunnels every year.
Gisha says the research contradicts Israel's assertions that the blockade is needed for security reasons.
"How can Israel claim that it is not responsible for civilian life in Gaza when it controls even the type and quantity of food that Palestinian residents of Gaza are permitted to consume?" asked Sari Bashi, Gisha's executive director, in a statement.
"Israel's control over movement creates an obligation to allow free passage of civilians and civilian goods, subject only to security checks - an obligation that remains unfulfilled today."
Robert Turner, director of operations in Gaza for the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) for Palestine refugees, said: "If this reflects an authentic policy intended to cap food imports, this 'red lines' document is contrary to humanitarian principles."
"The facts on the ground indicate that food imports consistently fell below the red lines."
"We recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns but we have said consistently that the blockade is collective punishment of the population. It's illegal under international law and we think it's counterproductive," he added.
Israeli government officials now acknowledge the food restrictions were partly intended to put pressure on Hamas by making the lives of people in Gaza difficult, says the BBC's Jon Donnison in Gaza City.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211[/url]
[editline]16th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=sgman91;45414756]They don't?
"Hamas officials concede that the blockade has not caused a humanitarian crisis in its classic sense.
"There is no starvation in Gaza," said Khalil Hamada, a senior official at Hamas's ministry of justice. "No-one has died of hunger." ([URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7806209/Dispatch-Just-how-hungry-is-Gaza.html[/URL])
Remember that there was no blockage for 2 years after Israel left Gaza. Only after Hamas wrested control from Fatah in a civil war did the blockade start.[/QUOTE]
Not getting your basics doesn't exactly mean death. And a Hamas operative isn't exactly a credible source of information.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414764]Not getting your basics doesn't exactly mean death. And a Hamas operative isn't exactly a credible source of information.[/QUOTE]
You claimed starvation and I provided a source that states otherwise. The Hamas quote was one line from a long article. I'm not arguing that it's a good life in Gaza, but it doesn't go so far as to be starvation.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45414789]You claimed starvation and I provided a source that states otherwise. The Hamas quote was one line from a long article. I'm not arguing that it's a good life in Gaza, but it doesn't go so far as to be starvation.[/QUOTE]
Being forced into underground tunnels that are constantly being destroyed by Israel doesn't make Israel's blockage legitimate. If those illegal tunnels were not there Gaza would be starving to death.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414802]Being forced into underground tunnels that are constantly being destroyed by Israel doesn't make Israel's blockage legitimate. If those illegal tunnels were not there Gaza would be starving to death.[/QUOTE]
Nice red herring, whether true or not, that has nothing to do with your claim of starvation.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45414814]Nice red herring, whether true or not, that has nothing to do with your claim of starvation.[/QUOTE]
Israel is trying to starve them and collectively punish Gaza. My bad. I guess they'll have to resort to bombing innocent civilians.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414831]Israel is trying to starve them[/QUOTE]
I guess it must be true because you keep saying it.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45414843]I guess it must be true because you keep saying it.[/QUOTE]
I cited a BBC article which sources an Israeli government study and a well known Israeli human rights group.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414856]I cited a BBC article which sources an Israeli government study and a well known Israeli human rights group.[/QUOTE]
I just read your entire article and it never claims starvation.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45414880]I just read your entire article and it never claims starvation.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does. The minimum amount of food&resource trucks going to gaza averaged 67 per day when the minimum red line claimed by the Israeli government study amounts to 101 trucks. They even admit to attempting to pressure Gaza's population by effectively leaning out their diet. I think that's starvation. But obviously that's not enough, they'll need to bomb more children.
[QUOTE]Hamas militants have fired more than 1,200 rockets, killing one Israeli.[/QUOTE]
Wow. That's not the death-figure I expected when I saw the rocketcount
[QUOTE=Zotobom;45415259]Wow. That's not the death-figure I expected when I saw the rocketcount[/QUOTE]
Israel has the Iron Dome system that shoots down any rockets detected to be heading for populated areas, all the Israeli towns in that area are full of bomb shelters and have warning systems and the Rockets are quite inaccurate so it is no surprise Israel causalities are always so low.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;45415280]Israel has the Iron Dome system that shoots down any rockets detected to be heading for populated areas, all the Israeli towns in that area are full of bomb shelters and have warning systems and the Rockets are quite inaccurate so it is no surprise Israel causalities are always so low.[/QUOTE]
The Iron Dome was only added a few years ago. I still remember debating the ineffectiveness of these rockets on here before they even added the Iron Dome.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45415290]The Iron Dome was only added a few years ago. I still remember debating the ineffectiveness of these rockets on here before they even added the Iron Dome.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but in the last couple of years the Gazans have also upgraded their missile arsenal from mostly home made rockets to [URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/hamas-firing-china-designed-syria-made-m-302-rockets-israel-n152461"]military grade Syrian rockets[/URL] similar to what Hezbollah deployed in the 2006 war that have better range, accuracy and bigger payloads.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45414885]Yes it does. The minimum amount of food&resource trucks going to gaza averaged 67 per day when the minimum red line claimed by the Israeli government study amounts to 101 trucks. They even admit to attempting to pressure Gaza's population by effectively leaning out their diet. I think that's starvation. But obviously that's not enough, they'll need to bomb more children.[/QUOTE]
Last I checked, the word starvation means to die from lack of food completely.
Having a limited diet is not starving, having no diet is.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45415643]Last I checked, the word starvation means to die from lack of food completely.
Having a limited diet is not starving, having no diet is.[/QUOTE]
Starvation is just the most severe form of malnutrition. You can starve and not die, not immediately anyway.
Hamas renewed the fire at 15:02(28 minutes ago) breaking the truce , waiting for an actual report to post
[QUOTE=Ducksink;45416719]Hamas renewed the fire at 15:02(28 minutes ago) breaking the truce , waiting for an actual report to post[/QUOTE]
The truce was only 5 hours long and they launched missiles the minute it expired - they technically didn't break it?
[QUOTE=Ducksink;45416719]Hamas renewed the fire at 15:02(28 minutes ago) breaking the truce , waiting for an actual report to post[/QUOTE]
Now watch everyone blame Israel for it.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;45412633]213 Palestinians dead
1 Israeli death.
There has been some highly questionable behaviour from Israel, I hope this is looked into.[/QUOTE]
The number of casualties on each side is not such a viable argument... at least in this case
[url]http://time.com/2982215/israel-gaza-casualties/[/url]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45415643]Last I checked, the word starvation means to die from lack of food completely.
Having a limited diet is not starving, having no diet is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]star·va·tion
stärˈvāSHən/Submit
noun
suffering or death caused by hunger.
"thousands died of starvation"
synonyms: extreme hunger, lack of food, famine, undernourishment, malnourishment, fasting; More[/QUOTE]
As far as i remember, 3 Israeli teens kidnapped and no one admited doing it, Hamas admits everything it does on Israel.
After that Israeli kills a Hamas leader and Hamas responded with Rockets and you guys keep saying Hamas started it.
Apparently you are not allowed to resist an illegal occupation because if you resist Israel you are terrorist by Israel and everyone eats that shit like candy.
Every time Israel kills civilians they always say " Well Hamas was using them as human shields" If they were using them as human shields then why the fuck would you bomb anyway if you want to avoid civilian casualties, makes no fucking sense.
Would the police shoot both the hostage and the hostage taker just because they want to end the hostage crisis? yet people eat that shit like candy as it's the truth.
And to the person a couple of posts ago said there were no blockade on the West Bank means that you have never ever been to the West Bank. I was there in both 2003 and 2007 that place is closed from all sides, Settlements from every directions and lets not forget the huge wall that they built with guard posts everywhere. Palestinians are not allowed to leave when they want.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45419903]As far as i remember, 3 Israeli teens kidnapped and no one admited doing it, Hamas admits everything it does on Israel.
After that Israeli kills a Hamas leader and Hamas responded with Rockets and you guys keep saying Hamas started it.
Apparently you are not allowed to resist an illegal occupation because if you resist Israel you are terrorist by Israel and everyone eats that shit like candy.
Every time Israel kills civilians they always say " Well Hamas was using them as human shields" If they were using them as human shields then why the fuck would you bomb anyway if you want to avoid civilian casualties, makes no fucking sense.
Would the police shoot both the hostage and the hostage taker just because they want to end the hostage crisis? yet people eat that shit like candy as it's the truth.
And to the person a couple of posts ago said there were no blockade on the West Bank means that you have never ever been to the West Bank. I was there in both 2003 and 2007 that place is closed from all sides, Settlements from every directions and lets not forget the huge wall that they built with guard posts everywhere. Palestinians are not allowed to leave when they want.[/QUOTE]
Palestinians and Israelis want to live in peace, Hamas and Zionist radicals believe that they are the only ones who should be there. Hamas knows Israel is pretty indiscriminate it their killings, so they use dirty tactics to get people to believe that the IDF is just massacring civilians for the fuck of it. Hamas was formed with the sole intention of destroying Israel, they are a terrorist organization. Zionist Israel is a nationalist organization looking to steal land from the Palestinians. There are no good guys, just Jews and Arabs who hate each other.
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