• Mercenaries to blame for violence on aid ship
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[QUOTE=Jund;22375901]How bout you don't go to the knife fight at all? They could have just done that. And in actuality yes, you would bring a knife into a knife fight. [editline]08:24PM[/editline] So if someone messes with me, I should be praised for not killing them?[/QUOTE] The ship "went to the knife fight" by braking the flotilla. And quite frankly if you would in fact bring a knife to a knife fight, especially without any training, no matter what you're going to get fucked up pretty bad.
[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;22374891]Even if they were mercenaries, it's obvious that their goal was to SUBDUE the Israeli Commandos, not kill them. That would be completely reasonable in my opinion. The flotilla hired them as protection. That's why they had bullet proof vests and gas masks, so they could protect the passengers and incapacitate the soldiers. Note that it says STUN grenade, not FRAG grenade. It is obvious they were using non-leathal tactics. Israel on the other hand, used LIVE AMMO to take down the passengers.[/QUOTE] The soldiers landed and were almost instantly attacked by the unprovoked flotilla staff. And also, I'm pretty sure beating people in the head repeatedly with heavy, metal rods, and even trying to set someone on fire, are completely non-lethal tactics. By the way, it wasn't until they were attacked that the commandos opened live fire. They had pepper-filled paintballs, if I remember hearing correctly, that they planned to use at first. [editline]04:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Thom12255;22376002]Yes, why didn't the Flotilla avoid this all together by heeding Israeli warnings and docking at the Israeli port for the aid to be taken on land to Gaza.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The flotilla had nothing to worry about. Israel actually IS allowing aid, but the flotilla tried to speed off and break through the blockade. All the IDF was trying to do was search the ships for contraband, like weapons and the like.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;22376163]The soldiers landed and were almost instantly attacked by the unprovoked flotilla staff. And also, I'm pretty sure beating people in the head repeatedly with heavy, metal rods, and even trying to set someone on fire, are completely non-lethal tactics. By the way, it wasn't until they were attacked that the commandos opened live fire. They had pepper-filled paintballs, if I remember hearing correctly, that they planned to use at first. [editline]04:35PM[/editline] [/quote] [img]http://dimpost.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/6mm0d.png[/img] [quote] Exactly. The flotilla had nothing to worry about. Israel actually IS allowing aid, but the flotilla tried to speed off and break through the blockade. All the IDF was trying to do was search the ships for contraband, like weapons and the like.[/QUOTE] The point of Free Gaza is to demonstrate the problems of the blockade, and to make a stand against what conditions it has created in Gaza. Before the new conditions were set, Israel had always checked aid that was directed to Palestinian groups regardless of who was donating it. What Free Gaza and many other humanitarian groups point out however is that Israel arbitrarily filters out a considerable number as non-essential, and in the end not much of it gets to the Palestinian people. WFP estimates that for food purposes, a population like that of the Gaza strip requires a minimum of 400 trucks daily. Israel on average is only letting in a little over 140 trucks [I]weekly[/I] Meanwhile, Hamas, which this inhumane blockade is supposed to be directed against, has only grown stronger, more so since they control the black market in Gaza nowadays.
In b4 people think that anything against the aid ship is a lie and they can do no wrong oh wait. Seriously guys, they fucked up as well as the Israel Commandos, if you're going to disregard one side completely you don't deserve to be in a debate over it
First, the IDF was not merely searching it. Their mission was to capture the ship by force and bring it to an Israeli port. Second, the aid ship refused because Israel [B]doesn't[/B] deliver it. They send some, confiscate a significant amount and let the rest rot for a while before deciding what to do with it. The only reason they actually started delivering the aid from this particular shipment is that the entire world is staring at them.
[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22376558]First, the IDF was not merely searching it. Their mission was to capture the ship by force and bring it to an Israeli port. Second, the aid ship refused because Israel [B]doesn't[/B] deliver it. They send some, confiscate a significant amount and let the rest rot for a while before deciding what to do with it. The only reason they actually started delivering the aid from this particular shipment is that the entire world is staring at them.[/QUOTE] There's a reason for the confiscation you know, like stuff that could be used to make weapons, or unnecessary stuff that Hamas will get a hold of and would just sell to the highest bidder, thus strengthening their position.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22376620]There's a reason for the confiscation you know, like stuff that could be used to make weapons, or unnecessary stuff that Hamas will get a hold of and would just sell to the highest bidder, thus strengthening their position.[/QUOTE] I can use everything in my room as a weapon. If Israel really cared, then they would deliver the supplies to civilians personally. [editline]09:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Thom12255;22376002]Yes, why didn't the Flotilla avoid this all together by heeding Israeli warnings and docking at the Israeli port for the aid to be taken on land to Gaza.[/QUOTE] I was also meaning that you shouldn't fast-rope into an angry mob. Jesus this would be a lot easier if it was just in black and white.
[QUOTE=Jund;22377243]I can use everything in my room as a weapon. If Israel really cared, then they would deliver the supplies to civilians personally. [editline]09:24PM[/editline] I was also meaning that you shouldn't fast-rope into an angry mob. Jesus this would be a lot easier if it was just in black and white.[/QUOTE] Some stuff which could be used as weapons or to strengthen the Hamas' influence are allowed to be delivered, if they reach the UN's facilities and are used by humanitarian aid workers in Gaza.
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