[QUOTE=Jzzb;51986667]Boy, impotent hatred of national history for the sake of political correctness is pathetic[/QUOTE]
Political correctness...?
Here's an alternative: Fuck my embarrassment of a country because that's what it is. Historically and this very day.
I want out.
There is nothing politically correct about saying fuck the UK.
wouldnt be surprised if we went within £1.15 to 1USD
Wonder how much longer I can put off applying for that irish passport.
One good thing that could become of this is a strengthening of the commonwealth and hopefully freedom of movement to Canada, NZ or Australia. So I can immediately move.
Bad things include some sort of horrific US trade deal where we inherit all their terrible food standards and selling off the NHS to US companies.
[QUOTE=hogofwar;51987803]Wonder how much longer I can put off applying for that irish passport.[/QUOTE]
Why would you put it off?
[QUOTE=Sableye;51987636]Our navy would like to have a word with yours.
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uhm excuse me colonial i think you'll find that the ROYAL navy is the best navy in the world
[sp]please ignore all signs towards the opposite, that's unpatriotic and punishable by submersion into gravy[/sp]
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;51987936]uhm excuse me colonial i think you'll find that the ROYAL navy is the best navy in the world
[sp]please ignore all signs towards the opposite, that's unpatriotic and punishable by submersion into gravy[/sp][/QUOTE]
We will send villains to Australia once again
[QUOTE=BF;51986490]Because a public vote happened, and even though many people did not like the outcome of that vote (including myself), it's being done out of respect for integrity, self-determination and the democratic process.
If instead the UK government went to the voters and said 'okay we're going to leave the EU, but just to be sure, we'll hold a referendum so that you can override us if the majority of you do not want us to leave', and if remain won 52% of the votes but the UK government decided to leave the EU anyway, everyone here would be screaming bloody murder.[/QUOTE]
exactly.
[editline]20th March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51987946]We will send villains to Australia once again[/QUOTE]
the usual rhetoric
The lamps are not going out all across Europe but they are on EU neo-imperialism.
The backwards notion [in the UK at least] that you can be all things to all men is in 9 days going down the drain.
People complain about the British Empire because it was the largest there ever was and was successful. It did bad but also great good, it didn't invent slavery it only came to the British Empire from Africa because Africans and Arabs were already practicing it. Who here complains about Arabs turning Africans into eunuchs, marching them across the Sahara thereby leaving no descendants to complain about the evils of which they have no personal experience of. And yet the British Empire eventually had the moral courage to outlaw it and go against those who would practice it long before the American Civil War. As for the Indian famines, it was a great and terrible one but accidental or natural as most famines usually are but the last all-India famine was in 1899-1900, which means the British Empire solved it and indeed tried to feed Indian peoples of various religions in India in various famines by importing grain from Burma for instance.
Inventions from the British Empire include the steam locomotive, telephone, television, electric light bulb, various scientific theories. It spread democracy across the world and the people who eventually founded the USA were people who came from its very heart.
[QUOTE=BF;51986490]Because a public vote happened, and even though many people did not like the outcome of that vote (including myself), it's being done out of respect for integrity, self-determination and the democratic process.
If instead the UK government went to the voters and said 'okay we're going to leave the EU, but just to be sure, we'll hold a referendum so that you can override us if the majority of you do not want us to leave', and if remain won 52% of the votes but the UK government decided to leave the EU anyway, everyone here would be screaming bloody murder.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't put it better myself.
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[QUOTE=TheCrown;51988008]Inventions from the British Empire include the steam locomotive, telephone, television, electric light bulb, various scientific theories. It spread democracy across the world and the people who eventually founded the USA were people who came from its very heart.[/QUOTE]
is this satire
[QUOTE=TheCrown;51988008]The lamps are not going out all across Europe but they are on EU neo-imperialism.
The backwards notion [in the UK at least] that you can be all things to all men is in 9 days going down the drain.
People complain about the British Empire because it was the largest there ever was and was successful. It did bad but also great good, it didn't invent slavery it only came to the British Empire from Africa because Africans and Arabs were already practicing it. Who here complains about Arabs turning Africans into eunuchs, marching them across the Sahara thereby leaving no descendants to complain about the evils of which they have no personal experience of. And yet the British Empire eventually had the moral courage to outlaw it and go against those who would practice it long before the American Civil War. As for the Indian famines, it was a great and terrible one but accidental or natural as most famines usually are but the last all-India famine was in 1899-1900, which means the British Empire solved it and indeed tried to feed Indian peoples of various religions in India in various famines by importing grain from Burma for instance.
Inventions from the British Empire include the steam locomotive, telephone, television, electric light bulb, various scientific theories. It spread democracy across the world and the people who eventually founded the USA were people who came from its very heart.
Couldn't put it better myself.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually comparing the British slave trade to the Arab slave trade?
It has been well documented that the Arab slave trade wasn't nearly as massive a scale or as cruel as the trans Atlantic slave trade. Also, if by democracy you mean killing, starving and enslaving a quarter of the world, then you are right.
[QUOTE=UberMunchkin;51988119]As much as I believe that leaving the EU will be detrimental to this country (especially in the short term), this attitude isn't healthy towards anyone caught up in discussing Brexit, and it definitely won't convince a large amount of people to potentially believe what you believe. There's a point where disagreement and distrust becomes toxicity, and all that does is spread more toxicity.
People generally [I]want[/I] to be proud of their country & heritage, and outside of individual figures, architecture, and the NHS, the most impressive thing (as vulgar as it may come off) briefly taught is the British Empire - and whilst the education leaves a lot to be desired, in terms of scale and power alone it was impressive. Yet as more people bring exposure to the empire in a 'positive' light, this exposure opens up the avenue for being able to criticise perceptions and certain decisions the empire made. It opens up a way to educate people who may be open towards it.
If you'll excuse me going further off the topic of Article 50, with the recent increased love and hatred of the British Empire due to Brexit fuelling the nationalistic flames, I've had a question stuck in my head for a while: at what point do people stop actively demonising (for lack of a better term) an empire or nation for its misdeeds? Is it the passing of time, destruction of connected institutions, the country having a certain form of just deserts, the people apologising for the sins of the father, or just both sides fading to history?
No-one cries for Carthage, but we could attribute why for many reasons due to how detached from it we are.[/QUOTE]
carthage was good for trade..
[QUOTE=spoder55;51988128]Are you actually comparing the British slave trade to the Arab slave trade?
It has been well documented that the Arab slave trade wasn't nearly as massive a scale or as cruel as the trans Atlantic slave trade. Also, if by democracy you mean killing, starving and enslaving a quarter of the world, then you are right.[/QUOTE]
You got any number comparisons to back this up, because the total victim count i keep finding for the Arab slave trade is between 50-150 million.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51988326]You got any number comparisons to back this up, because the total victim count i keep finding for the Arab slave trade is between 50-150 million.[/QUOTE]
About 20-100 million is what I found. I keep finding the number of about 10-20 million for the Arab slave trade though.
[QUOTE=spoder55;51988363]About 20-100 million is what I found. I keep finding the number of about 10-20 million for the Arab slave trade though.[/QUOTE]
Got the source for the Arab one?
Because i am skeptical it is between 10-20 million.
[QUOTE=spoder55;51988128]It has been well documented that the Arab slave trade wasn't nearly as massive a scale or as cruel as the trans Atlantic slave trade. Also, if by democracy you mean killing, starving and enslaving a quarter of the world, then you are right.[/QUOTE]
What's the point of even comparing "who was the worst slaver"? Both were bad, both were cruel.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51988387]Got the source for the Arab one?
Because i am skeptical it is between 10-20 million.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/"]http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/[/URL]
It is important to note that the Arab trade was more gradual than the trans Atlantic trade. Doesn't make it better though.
here's the top ten despots:
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/spot/topdespots1.html[/url]
discuss
I think march 29th is better than april 1st.
[QUOTE=spoder55;51988401][URL="http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/"]http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06/02/10-facts-about-the-arab-enslavement-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/[/URL]
It is important to note that the Arab trade was more gradual than the trans Atlantic trade. Doesn't make it better though.[/QUOTE]
Not a very good source to be honest especially after reading there about us page
[QUOTE]Who: Atlanta Black Star is a narrative company.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://atlantablackstar.com/about-us/"]http://atlantablackstar.com/about-us/[/URL]
This is what i found
[URL="https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Slavery#cite_note-1"]https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Slavery#cite_note-1[/URL]
[QUOTE]However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jund;51986949]i can't believe it's 2017 and you're still an sjw if you think imperialism kinda blows
wild[/QUOTE]and i have a creeping feeling that it's going to get worse
[QUOTE=hogofwar;51987803]Wonder how much longer I can put off applying for that irish passport.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't wait too long, i can't imagine you'll be the only person doing it.
It'll be interesting to see the emigration figures after Brexit. From what i've seen and heard a lot of the people voted to 'keep the gimmiegrants out' don't even want to be here anymore.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51986436]I still don't get why the UK formally has to go through with this.[/QUOTE]
because Mummy knows best
[QUOTE=Loadingue;51986436]I still don't get why the UK formally has to go through with this.[/QUOTE]
Cause for whatever reason, y'all were like: "Let's put this massive issue to a vote!"
I can't wait until it happens and it makes absolutely zero difference
[QUOTE=butre;51988681]I can't wait until it happens and it makes absolutely zero difference[/QUOTE]
I mean that's literally not possible.
Things are going to change for a great many people. Some will be good, some will be bad (and in my opinion it's going to be mostly bad, particularly for the majority of Britons).
It's not going to be some magically neutral thing.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51988686]I mean that's literally not possible.
Things are going to change for a great many people. Some will be good, some will be bad (and in my opinion it's going to be mostly bad, particularly for the majority of Britons).
It's not going to be some magically neutral thing.[/QUOTE]
Probably the shock everyone is waiting for is years from now when they announce whether the trade deals are going ahead or not. The market will probably react on the 29th, but not much and will probably return to normal.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51988756]Probably the shock everyone is waiting for is years from now when they announce whether the trade deals are going ahead or not. The market will probably react on the 29th, but not much and will probably return to normal.[/QUOTE]
The pound dropped significantly on the night of the vote. It hasn't recovered since, and shows no sign of full recovery. It's plateaued instead, as the markets wait for the next piece of "patriotic" news for it to drop further.
I know you have no idea how this all actually works, as evidenced by almost every single post you've made on this topic. But come on, at least [I]try[/I] to look up the impacts of the announcement itself, it's a relatively good indicator of what future moves towards leaving will do.
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Okay, maybe that was a bit harsher than needed. But you need to stop preaching about the fucking "empire" dude. It's not helping opinions of your person.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51988756]Probably the shock everyone is waiting for is years from now when they announce whether the trade deals are going ahead or not. The market will probably react on the 29th, but not much and will probably return to normal.[/QUOTE]
It hasn't been normal since the 2008 crisis and it got even weaker with the referendum 'Leave' win.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51988819]It hasn't been normal since the 2008 crisis and it got even weaker with the referendum 'Leave' win.[/QUOTE]
Nothing has been normal since 2008.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51988842]Nothing has been normal since 2008.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The market will probably react on the 29th, but not much and will probably return to normal.[/QUOTE]
So... you disagree with yourself?
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