[QUOTE=Gwoodman;51988856]So... you disagree with yourself?[/QUOTE]
"Return to normal" as in stabilize, go up and down per normal until the next shock in several years at the outcome of the trade deals. People have this idea that its just going to suddenly crash and never return.
[QUOTE=Jzzb;51986667]Boy, impotent hatred of national history for the sake of political correctness is pathetic[/QUOTE]
You people will sit and call Ghenghis Khan a savage tribalist and shudder at your genetic connection to him, then will salute the British Empire like there was any difference to what either did. The only difference is the hats they wore.
[editline]21st March 2017[/editline]
Who are you, who do not know your history? This isn't some impotent revisionist hatred. The British Empire was fucking reviled even during its reign by its subjects. Even here in England you had middle-class, well-off men who reviled the imperialism of their state. You know that little novel that inspired the crux of all modern first-contact sci-fi, the one nobody's ever heard of called The War of the Worlds? It's actually an allegorical work inspired by British Imperialism. Wells intended to portray the Martians much like the English might seem to an Indian or Chinese person being invaded. As far as India and China were concerned, we were Mars.One of the biggest signs of this is the soliloquy that the Journalist has at the midpoint where he relates it to the horror of the Frenchmen when the English landed, and the Red Weed itself (England was represented as red on maps back then).
So, sure, brand me some revisionist SJW if you want. These views are hundreds of years old and I share them with hundreds of thousands of my countrymen. I share them not because I want to make myself feel true and righteous, but because I don't believe in injustice. I don't believe in subjugation and hatred and collaring and shackling men for their resources. I don't believe in setting boots on far-off lands for the sakes of profit. I don't believe in breaking bones for tea. I don't believe in a single thing my brutish, monstrous country stood for in those days. The days of the Empire were [B]horrible.[/B] Like I say, even for the average man. In the days of the Empire [B]you[/B] would more than likely be a poorly educated laborer. You'd go to work age eight, if you lived that long, you'd spend a life in poverty and squalor in the name of the Imperial machine, and you'd die in your fifties. An era of such splendour and grandeur that you couldn't even survive pneumonia. Even the soldiery were treated like fucking cattle. Drilled and dieted and battered into machines that would ride, shoot, fight, and die a pitiful and dishonorable death clad in red for a few more inches on a map. You know why we remember World War 1 so strongly in the UK? Because that was [b]it[/b]. That was the big diarrhea balloon of imperialism bursting for us. It was a great big pin that burst the shuddering, creaking balloon of turd and spilled it into our laps and woke us up to the absolute nihilist pointlessness of our constant strife for colors on paper.
As I say. There's no difference between the savagery of the Khans and the savagery of the Empire. Tyranny is tyranny, and to glorify it is to justify it.
Sod that.
[QUOTE=Reagy;51986524][img]http://horobox.co.uk/u/reag/2017-03-20_12-55-39.png[/img]
Gotta hit that all time low.[/QUOTE]
It's obviously a plan to stimulate the british economy by increasing tourism, it's 4d chess /s
[QUOTE=butre;51988681]I can't wait until it happens and it makes absolutely zero difference[/QUOTE]
Funny, I thought the same thing about the Trump Administration.
Remember when we civilized India by executing Hindus and Muslims by blasting them apart with a cannon...
[img]http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c10000/3c17000/3c17400/3c17473v.jpg[/img]
They'll be sure to give up their savage ways if they can't perform funeral rites with no body to bury!
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51989883]Remember when we civilized India by executing Hindus and Muslims by blasting them apart with a cannon...[/QUOTE]
Wow. That's kinda fucked.
Who gave the order?
EDIT: Just did five minutes of googling, I guess it wasn't a one-time atrocity. That's kinda jacked up, but I guess I'd take that over being flogged to death.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51989895]Wow. That's kinda fucked.
Who gave the order?[/QUOTE]
It was a method of execution used during the revolts in India, because of the demoralizing effect even after death of not being able to perform a proper funeral in Hindu and Muslim practices. I don't think it was any one isolated incident. I think it was used for non-Indian executions as well, but using it on auxiliaries had a particularly damaging effect.
Oh are you guys talking about the British Empire! That's my major field of study in history!
If anyone is trying to tell you the late British Empire was a [I]good[/I] thing for natives around the world, they're outright wrong. They were better than other European empires in some cases, like the Belgians, but were way worse in a lot of others.
But yeah, it's a really great thing that European empires are gone. Let's put the kibosh on that, unless you want me to get [I]really[/I] into it.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;51989975]Oh are you guys talking about the British Empire! That's my major field of study in history!
If anyone is trying to tell you the late British Empire was a [I]good[/I] thing for natives around the world, they're outright wrong. They were better than other European empires in some cases, like the Belgians, but were way worse in a lot of others.
But yeah, it's a really great thing that European empires are gone. Let's put the kibosh on that, unless you want me to get [I]really[/I] into it.[/QUOTE]
Actually, go ahead and pump Boilrig full of it. He desperately needs a history lesson on this.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;51989975]Oh are you guys talking about the British Empire! That's my major field of study in history!
If anyone is trying to tell you the late British Empire was a [I]good[/I] thing for natives around the world, they're outright wrong. They were better than other European empires in some cases, like the Belgians, but were way worse in a lot of others.
But yeah, it's a really great thing that European empires are gone. Let's put the kibosh on that, unless you want me to get [I]really[/I] into it.[/QUOTE]
Please do, and if possible can you provide some extra sources (if you have them) with what you're saying? It's something I don't really no much about, and besides backing your points, it offers someone like me a chance to read into it more deeply.
[QUOTE=icemaz;51990020]Please do, and if possible can you provide some extra sources (if you have them) with what you're saying? It's something I don't really no much about, and besides backing your points, it offers someone like me a chance to read into it more deeply.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of books out there, but the really good ones are [I]The Lion and the Tiger[/I] by Denis Judd for Indian colonization, [I]Diamonds, Gold and War[/I] by Martin Meredith for the African side of the story, and [I]The Opium War[/I] by by Julia Lovell for the first Opium war with china (obviously). I've only really skimmed the last two books, but from what I can tell they're really good.
But in effect, most of the praise about the Empire is outright wrong because the British were quite honestly pretty disinterested about being an actual empire. They liked the idea of it, but it was always too costly to do effectively. That's why the British let all sorts of 'Companies' handle that task for them, and reap the rewards.
[QUOTE=Jzzb;51986667]Boy, impotent hatred of national history for the sake of political correctness is pathetic[/QUOTE]
Imagine me talking about how great the Russian Empire and the USSR was with its accomplishments, completely abandoning some key facts, such as longest serfdom in Europe, being pretty much cavemen until Peter The Great's reformations, almost exclusively every single ruler was a fucking prick and asshole, not going to mention the gulags and repressions in the communistic era etc.
There are some countries that have decent history, and some countries which are plain fucking disappointment, British Empire being one of them.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51986684]The best that can come from being an independant state is we end up like Switzerland, but with the morons in charge I highly doubt we'll get anywhere near that, we'll probably just end up as either the [B]51st state[/B], Russia's bitch or just a shit [I]Oligarchy[/I].
Edit: these are extremes, I'm just embelishing how stupid this is.[/QUOTE]
Maybe England sould dissolved United Kingdom and join shortly to United States as 51st states and named United States as United States of America and England due of their special relationship since WW2 ended.
And also you misspelled Oligarchy wrong.
[editline]21st March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51986574]Long live the Empire.[/QUOTE]
Sure, Long live the "Empire"* (Contain 3/4 of British isles, Several islands still control by UK in Atlantic, Indian and Pacific oceans, Special relations with first nation (United States) that secede from Empire and Club of all former British colonies to keep relations too.) But long live the empire that doesnt exist anymore.
[QUOTE=Cone;51986516]wouldn't it be hilarious if the conservatives lose 8 years from now and we end up just asking to join the EU again[/QUOTE]
things look pretty shit for the EU too tbh
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51986611]"Good! [rubs hands vigorously together] let's now get this show on the road to freedom."
lmao these fucking bbc comments
almost makes me wish the brexit to be a total fucking disaster so that these fuckwits are forever crowned as the greatest morons this country ever had as a voting bloc[/QUOTE]
I think that the drop in the pounds value is evidence this is a fucking retarded choice and will only serve to hurt the UK, in the short and long run.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;51989883]Remember when we civilized India by executing Hindus and Muslims by blasting them apart with a cannon...
They'll be sure to give up their savage ways if they can't perform funeral rites with no body to bury![/QUOTE]
Hey don't worry, you'll probably find that we've moved on quite significantly since 160 years ago. You can even tick your own religion for most application forms that ask and everyone is quite polite.
Empires are like anything else. They're good, they're bad, and are done with varying degrees of competence.
Nowadays, we can look at the good and bad of it
+many people have a common language
+The food here got better.
+It's a somewhat homogenizing experience to be invaded.
+Our history is now like, ten times more interesting to read about.
-stupid fucking nationalists
-stupid fucking apologists
-stupid fucking revisionists
-stupid fucking vestigal spending. We don't own the seas, we don't need that big of a navy. Fuck off and invest in the common people.
The weird
Genocide, oddly, gets rid of racism. You can't hate them if they're gone.
Fiction is so much more interesting when it's railing against something.
[QUOTE=The Jack;51997980]-stupid fucking vestigal spending. We don't own the seas, we don't need that big of a navy. Fuck off and invest in the common people. [/QUOTE]
What Navy?
We have a tiny navy now and hardly have any weight in naval power at all compared to many other nations.
The only reason we have any clout at all is our nuclear subs. I mean it took us a day to scramble a boat to fend off an incursion by a Russian missile destroyer.
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