Tesla unveils Model X SUV, wants to be your all-electric crossover
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[QUOTE=TestECull;34632925]It will only do 300 miles if you drive it like James May, and if you come anywhere near that top speed it's dead in 50-75 miles.
And I can fill my pickup from bone dry to literally overflowing in five minutes flat. Still not a fast enough charge. I won't even consider an EV until I can take it from "So little power left the dashboard won't light up" to "100% fully charged" in the time it takes to fill a 19 gallon gasoline tank similarly drained.[/QUOTE]
the great thing for you about these electric cars running around is you'll have more fuel
[QUOTE=TestECull;34631456]How about no? I don't want the heavy batteries ruining the handling of an already poor handling platform, I don't want a 16 hour charge to go a hundred miles, I don't want an automatic transmission, and I don't want to contribute to the pollution the mines used to make the batteries create.[/QUOTE]
Said like a true Top Gear fan.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34632925]It will only do 300 miles if you drive it like James May, and if you come anywhere near that top speed it's dead in 50-75 miles.[/quote] [citation needed] (Top Gear is not a valid source, at least not on its own)
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And I can fill my pickup from bone dry to literally overflowing in five minutes flat. Still not a fast enough charge. I won't even consider an EV until I can take it from "So little power left the dashboard won't light up" to "100% fully charged" in the time it takes to fill a 19 gallon gasoline tank similarly drained.[/QUOTE]
I admit that the technology is not valid for everyone, especially if you drive longer than the range it does in a day, but if you for instance commute and do 100 miles a day, you can avoid charging it up during the day, and just plug it into the wall when you get home, so that it's ready the next day, and then you avoid the wait and gas station completely. Obviously not an option for everyone, but not everyone drives far enough to empty it every day.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34631456]How about no? I don't want the heavy batteries ruining the handling of an already poor handling platform, I don't want a 16 hour charge to go a hundred miles, I don't want an automatic transmission, and I don't want to contribute to the pollution the mines used to make the batteries create.[/QUOTE]
[i][h2]we get it, you hate electric cars[/h2][/i]
I do understand what you mean but how do you know how if it's a good electric car or not?
Looks pretty nice. Let's hope the range is good. All the best to Tesla tbh!
[QUOTE=TestECull;34631456]How about no? I don't want the heavy batteries ruining the handling of an already poor handling platform, I don't want a 16 hour charge to go a hundred miles, I don't want [B]an automatic transmission[/B], and I don't want to contribute to the pollution the mines used to make the batteries create.[/QUOTE]
Electric cars have no transmission or clutch. :v:
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[QUOTE=Swilly;34633336]Said like a true Top Gear fan.[/QUOTE]
He has a point. Crossovers already handle very poorly, and then you go and add half a ton of batteries which will make it [I]much[/I] worse.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;34630536]Too bad until we have a large source of alternative power, you'll just be filling your electric car up with mostly coal-plant power.[/QUOTE]
Only problem with your statement is that running electric is more effecient than running gas. A coal plant is much more efficient than a gas engine.
It's great that Tesla Motors is making electric cars that don't look completely and utterly stupid.
But say, how long is the operating range?
This crossover is meant to compete with luxury crossovers, such as BMWs, Maseratis, and Porsches so at it's pricepoint, it's really reasonable.
[QUOTE=Da_Maniac_;34633780]It's great that Tesla Motors is making electric cars that don't look completely and utterly stupid.
But say, how long is the operating range?[/QUOTE]
Apparently the most expensive ones are capable of about 300 miles / 480 km
[editline]10th February 2012[/editline]
At 55mph.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;34630545]Too bad these things are always extremely expensive.[/QUOTE]
buy them now so they will be cheap for our children!
to the people complaining about how it's just as inefficient/polluting as gas, it prepares the infrastructure for the inevitable switch from fossil fuels
for the people who say it's a hurrdurr boring electric car, fuck you it gives an srt8 cherokee a run for it's money, find me something faster in that price range (loltestecull)
open doors
fly like a bird
[QUOTE=Saber15;34633506]He has a point. Crossovers already handle very poorly, and then you go and add half a ton of batteries which will make it [I]much[/I] worse.[/QUOTE]
The batteries are situated at the bottom of the car, which give a very low center of gravity and nearly no body roll. The weight is also very well distributed between the tires which give a very well balanced car.
Though seriously, who buys a crossover to go fast through a corner at a track. This is a great car because of it's practicality. On normal roads you'll barely get up to 80 mph, and thats only in certain states. 60 and 70 mph is the normal maximum speed limit for most of the states.
[QUOTE=C:\;34636689]open doors
fly like a bird[/QUOTE]
this is true. i proved it by throwing my matchbox car out of the 7th floor with it's doors open. i didn't find it therefor it flew away.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34632925]It will only do 300 miles if you drive it like James May, and if you come anywhere near that top speed it's dead in 50-75 miles. [/QUOTE]
When/where will you be able to drive at top speed?
[QUOTE=TestECull;34632925] And I can fill my pickup from bone dry to literally overflowing in five minutes flat. Still not a fast enough charge. I won't even consider an EV until I can take it from "So little power left the dashboard won't light up" to "100% fully charged" in the time it takes to fill a 19 gallon gasoline tank similarly drained.[/QUOTE]
no shit...
It is a step in the right direction. It is good enough for daily commute, and if you're on a long journey, 45 minutes is a good time to grab some food.
[QUOTE=ZZTop;34632225]Try opening those doors when the car is parked in a parking lot with cars on either side[/QUOTE]
Watch the unveiling video (it's on their website). They demonstrate that the doors can be opened in tight spaces.
They also show that the car has a lot more space than you'd expect. You've even got storage under the front hood.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34631456]How about no? I don't want the heavy batteries ruining the handling of an already poor handling platform, I don't want a 16 hour charge to go a hundred miles, I don't want an automatic transmission, and I don't want to contribute to the pollution the mines used to make the batteries create.[/QUOTE]
Like it or not, Automatics are the future.
I don't care about your stance on what type of transmission is better, manuals are dying out to regular autos, CVT's or even tranny-less vehicles. People are obsessed with money saving and fuel efficiency right now, not performance.
[QUOTE=ZZTop;34632225]Try opening those doors when the car is parked in a parking lot with cars on either side[/QUOTE]
Just FYI, Gullwing doors use up less space than standard doors. You can easily hop in even if there are cars on both sides.
You guys arguing against eco cars are stupid as fuck, all your reasons are a result of a new technology emerging, in due time all problems you guys are mentioning will be fixed, and then what will you bandwagon on?
And seriously, that "batteries are hurtful!" shit is so typical, even if it is, it probably isn't as hurtful as driving gasoline.
If they could sell this at a lower price and improve battery technology (reduce charging time for example) this could dominate the auto market.
[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;34639908]People are obsessed with money saving and fuel efficiency right now, not performance.[/QUOTE]
Manuals are usually more efficient than automatics by the way.
It's more likely that people choose automatic simply because it's easier.
Also the Tesla's don't have any transmission at all, if anyone were confused about that. Electric motors don't really need transmission.
[QUOTE=edberg;34636163]to the people complaining about how it's just as inefficient/polluting as gas, it prepares the infrastructure for the inevitable switch from fossil fuels
for the people who say it's a hurrdurr boring electric car, fuck you it gives an srt8 cherokee a run for it's money, find me something faster in that price range (loltestecull)[/QUOTE]
r34 skyline gtr
[QUOTE=abcpea2;34641029]r34 skyline gtr[/QUOTE]
Now make it fit 7 adults and still have enough room for loads of luggage.
They could solve this charging problem with swappable battery packs. Each "gas" station would have an industrial electrical connection and swap charged batteries for dead ones. Just like gas stations used to be, with a person filling up our tank. Extremely fast charging simply cannot be accomplished on a home electrical connection, way too many watts are required.
[QUOTE=Clementine;34640087]You guys arguing against eco cars are stupid as fuck, all your reasons are a result of a new technology emerging, in due time all problems you guys are mentioning will be fixed, and then what will you bandwagon on?
And seriously, that "batteries are hurtful!" shit is so typical, even if it is, it probably isn't as hurtful as driving gasoline.[/QUOTE]
On average, for the lifetime of the car a toyota prius produces more pollution and contributes more toxic materials to the environment than an H3 in it's entire car lifetime, mostly due to the high production and disposal/salvage pollution costs, not to mention the highly toxic batteries they carry. Many hybrids also use nickle-based batteries, which involve carcinogenic metals that are very dangerous to mine for.
So no. My gas engine geo metro is 5x better for the enviornment than a Prius or your average battery-dependant car, and yet I still get the same gas milage that the prius does.
Though electric cars are a nice idea. They just need a way for people to instantly refuel them without having to charge (but still have the option of charging), so they can be used on long trips, and our infrastructure needs to be heavily nuclear/thorium based so we can keep up with the demand of a pure-electric car country. And of course, because Nuclear produces no pollution except the waste (something that Thorium aims to solve), we'd pretty much have zero carbon footprint on driving or producing electric cars.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;34642902]They could solve this charging problem with swappable battery packs. Each "gas" station would have an industrial electrical connection and swap charged batteries for dead ones. Just like gas stations used to be, with a person filling up our tank. Extremely fast charging simply cannot be accomplished on a home electrical connection, way too many watts are required.[/QUOTE]
I think the battery packs are far to heavy for that. They are rather well sealed as well due to water etc. In the Tesla it is also very difficult to get to.
As mentioned before, home electricity is far to slow, but if you call an electrician, he may be able to install a more powerful outlet in your garage for EV-charging. Tesla plans on releasing a charger which will fill the car in about 45 minutes. It may not be as fast as a petrol/diesel car, but in is certainly a big step in the right direction.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;34640436]Manuals are usually more efficient than automatics by the way.
It's more likely that people choose automatic simply because it's easier.[/QUOTE]
That hasn't been the case for a while now. Modern automatics can shift faster and more efficiently than any human ever could.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34676454]That hasn't been the case for a while now. Modern automatics can shift faster and more efficiently than any human ever could.[/QUOTE]
Source?
If you look on the stated fuel efficiency on a car manual vs automatic (same engine), you'll notice that the manual often do more miles to the gallon. It is not about how fast you can shift, but rather how you drive it. Automatics tend to down-shift more than necessary resulting in higher usage.
[url]http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/news/2008/10/save-gas-and-money-with-a-stick-shift-10-08/overview/manual-vs-auto-ov.htm[/url]
Electric cars are a novelty. 43km range is bad.
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