• Controversy over PETA's new billboard - claims meat pies will kill you
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I think you should all shut up before this thread turns into a flamewar. Stop hating on guys opinions, and stop trying to prove your point on how health/unhealthy being a vegan is. If you want to debate about it, there's a Mass Debate section not far from this one.
Lions don't have this shit when they're gnawing into a living zebra
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;35513728]Because the contextual use of 'bitch' is somehow sexist :downs:[/QUOTE] With the exception of a female dog or as a synonym for complaining - it is.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35513712]"Yes, some legume contain some proteins, but you can never get the same nutrients you get from meat, without meat, except some obscure unnatural supplementing which is horrible load of bullshit and most probably unhealthy to you, anyway." No, you can get all protein easily from vegetables, there's nothing obscure about it, and there's literally nothing we need that isn't available through a vegan diet I'm not saying it's healthier but please stop spouting crap you don't know about, there is no supplements that anyone needs (or that I've even heard of) that are extracted from meat[/QUOTE] It's not protein but, just off top of my head, where do you get, for example, B12 from?
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35513783]With the exception of a female dog or as a synonym for complaining - it is.[/QUOTE] If that's sexist, then so is saying "Dammit Frank, you're just a dick!"
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35513784]It's not protein but, just off top of my head, where do you get, for example, B12 from?[/QUOTE] Fermentation. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35513815]If that's sexist, then so is saying "Dammit Frank, you're just a dick!"[/QUOTE] It is in fact: but there's a thread for this somewhere. (this is why asshole is such a beautiful word)
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35513784]It's not protein but, just off top of my head, where do you get, for example, B12 from?[/QUOTE] b12 is easily found in bacteria and such, and if you don't wash vegetables you'd have plenty. a lot of vegan food is supplemented with it, as far as I know they harvest it from seaweed for supplements nice to see you doing research, i dont care if you hate vegans, just do it for legitimate reasons
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35513818]Fermentation. [/QUOTE] I don't eat fermented food nor drink fermented drinks like beer. Quite a few people don't. What now?
I think rather than focusing on removing meat from the human diet, it'd be better to expend that wasted energy on improving the quality of the food industry and instilling more humane practices. PETA are basically trolls, they do next to nothing to actually improve the food industry, let alone actually accomplish their most baseline and fucking childish goals.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35513835]b12 is easily found in bacteria and such, and if you don't wash vegetables you'd have plenty. a lot of vegan food is supplemented with it, as far as I know they harvest it from seaweed for supplements nice to see you doing research, i dont care if you hate vegans, just do it for legitimate reasons[/QUOTE] I actually know this from far long ago, being diagnosed with low amount of B12, but eating literal shit with my vegetables doesn't sound as completely healthy option. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] And I repeat, I don't hate vegans. I just pity them. I hate people who preach vegetarianism and such as THE healthy way of living.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;35513863]I think rather than focusing on removing meat from the human diet, it'd be better to expend that wasted energy on improving the quality of the food industry and instilling more humane practices. PETA are basically trolls, they do next to nothing to actually improve the food industry, let alone actually accomplish their most baseline and fucking childish goals.[/QUOTE] this is true, and I find it hilarious most of the time although this billboard is nothing but offensive and misinformative
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35513851]I don't eat fermented food nor drink fermented drinks like beer. Quite a few people don't. What now?[/QUOTE] Wow this is GCSE biology. I mean you can synthesise the supplement with fermentation. Fermentation is just a general term for manufacturing using micro organisms.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35513869]And I repeat, I don't hate vegans. I just pity them.[/QUOTE] Oh, so you're a condescending jerk and not just a jerk, ok.
I pretty much agree with Maddox on this one. [video=youtube;V4jZ_BV4MQ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4jZ_BV4MQ4[/video]
[QUOTE=Rents;35513893]Oh, so you're a condescending jerk and not just a jerk, ok.[/QUOTE] Yes. Thank you.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35513599] Vegan/Vegetarian diet can be healthy, yes, but only in case of very specific and precise choice of resources, something many people don't have time for or can't even reasonably afford. e.[/QUOTE] lol what, afford? are you serious? unless you're a lazy person who changes nothing but 'instead of meat I'll use tofurky meat substitute!' when they go vegan, then you should be spending far less. I get probably 4 pounds of meat substitute for $2 because I take an extra minute to cook it myself. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35513869]I actually know this from far long ago, being diagnosed with low amount of B12, but eating literal shit with my vegetables doesn't sound as completely healthy option. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] And I repeat, I don't hate vegans. I just pity them. I hate people who preach vegetarianism and such as THE healthy way of living.[/QUOTE] I have a hard time believing you've ever really met a vegan person who lasts more than a month, to be fair I haven't either.
I haven't read the rest of the thread convo... so pardon the fact this is rather off topic, but too much fruit and veggies can also be quite bad for you. As uncovered by recent studies mostly trying to point out how horrible added sugars are for you, they have found Fructose mostly becomes internal fats (liver fat and other more harming fats, not what just sits below the skin) Being vegan requires an extra input of fruit and veggies to accommodate for the lack of readily available proteins and nutrients in animal products. Just Saying.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35513188]Being vegan is perfectly healthy: it's the 21st century. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] It's probably more healthy in fact. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] It's almost like you don't know about how much protein pulses and lentils contain. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] And did you seriously say that vegetables don't contain vitamins?[/QUOTE] Go away vegan, I'm keeping my delicious meats and nothing you do will ever make me decide otherwise!
I just love how quorn is created by fungi breaking down animal carcasses.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35514000]Go away vegan, I'm keeping my delicious meats and nothing you do will ever make me decide otherwise![/QUOTE] I'm not a vegan I just think the FP hate-on for vegans is stupid. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=themooselord;35514013]I just love how quorn is created by fungi breaking down animal carcasses.[/QUOTE] You can use any number of feedstocks for mycoprotein. Also this isn't true.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35514000]Go away vegan, I'm keeping my delicious meats and nothing you do will ever make me decide otherwise![/QUOTE] someone's not being an asshole to vegans? MUST BE VEGAN, THE BASTARD
I would rather be fat than skinny and vitamin deficient
Once you go vegan.. you never die
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35513949]lol what, afford? are you serious? unless you're a lazy person who changes nothing but 'instead of meat I'll use tofurky meat substitute!' when they go vegan, then you should be spending far less. I get probably 4 pounds of meat substitute for $2 because I take an extra minute to cook it myself. [editline]10th April 2012[/editline] I have a hard time believing you've ever really met a vegan person who lasts more than a month, to be fair I haven't either.[/QUOTE] I don't know where you live, but in the Central valley of California vegan products are sometimes twice or three times the cost due to the fact that they are only sold at places that pride themselves on being vegan. Being a specialized product in a capitalist market, the prices are jacked up to sometimes quadruple their value simply because they can. In order for me to pursue an all vegan diet, I'd have to drive twice as far and spend several times as much to achieve an equivalent amount of nutrition content. It's simply unfeasible. I like making vegan or vegetarian dishes sometimes, but I could never afford to replace my diet with it in sufficient quantity and variety to address all of my nutrition needs on my current budget.
What I don't get is that vegans apparently don't just not eat meat, they don't eat, or use anything, made from an animal, either. So do they not brush their teeth? Every toothpaste I've ever seen has an animal byproduct in it. [url]http://www.happycow.net/health-animal-ingredients.html[/url] ^ I'd like to see a vegan not use anything on that list for the rest of their lives :v:
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;35514089]I don't know where you live, but in the Central valley of California vegan products are sometimes twice or three times the cost due to the fact that they are only sold at places that pride themselves on being vegan. Being a specialized product in a capitalist market, the prices are jacked up to sometimes quadruple their value simply because they can. In order for me to pursue an all vegan diet, I'd have to drive twice as far and spend several times as much to achieve an equivalent amount of nutrition content. It's simply unfeasible. I like making vegan or vegetarian dishes sometimes, but I could never afford to replace my diet with it in sufficient quantity and variety to address all of my nutrition needs on my current budget.[/QUOTE] I imagine it's also a matter of knowing where to look: lots of stuff is inordinately cheaper online.
We evolved to have an Omnivorous diet. The "is better for da animeels" argument just stems from the fact we are much MUCH cleverer and pretty much dominate the animals. Besides, creatures like the common cow would die out if we suddenly stopped caring about them. If we suddenly stopped eating meat or drinking milk or making shoes ect, and all the cows were dumped on an island, I bet you they'd die out. We simulate perfect environments for animals in order for our needs; we give to them, and they give to us, so to say. Apart from battery hens, that I admit is a bit cruel, but chickens are monumentally stupid animals, and they probably don't care that they're in cages. It's hard to put ourselves into their position, so we imagine them the same way as us. We'd get bored and be trying to escape constantly if we were in cages, while in reality the bird doesn't have any hopes of escaping, nor will it dream of escaping. Its world is a cage, so it copes, it doesn't realise there is a bigger world out there, so it's not as cruel as people think. And farming animals. We are ensuring the animals will never become extinct. In a metaphor, we are pretty much 'stabilisers' on the bike of survival to them. Without us, many of those creatures would die. In a simple way, the goal of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of the species, am I right? If so, we're completing their goal of life. Is it not fair to expect a little in return? I understand I may have gone off topic, but stuff like this annoys me.
[QUOTE=Kwigg;35514136]We evolved to have an Omnivorous diet. The "is better for da animeels" argument just stems from the fact we are much MUCH cleverer and pretty much dominate the animals. Besides, creatures like the common cow would die out if we suddenly stopped caring about them. If we suddenly stopped eating meat or drinking milk or making shoes ect, and all the cows were dumped on an island, I bet you they'd die out. We simulate perfect environments for animals in order for our needs; we give to them, and they give to us, so to say. Apart from battery hens, that I admit is a bit cruel, but chickens are monumentally stupid animals, and they probably don't care that they're in cages. It's hard to put ourselves into their position, so we imagine them the same way as us. We'd get bored and be trying to escape constantly if we were in cages, while in reality the bird doesn't have any hopes of escaping, nor will it dream of escaping. Its world is a cage, so it copes, it doesn't realise there is a bigger world out there, so it's not as cruel as people think. And farming animals. We are ensuring the animals will never become extinct. In a metaphor, we are pretty much 'stabilisers' on the bike of survival to them. Without us, many of those creatures would die. In a simple way, the goal of life is to reproduce and ensure the survival of the species, am I right? If so, we're completing their goal of life. Is it not fair to expect a little in return? I understand I may have gone off topic, but stuff like this annoys me.[/QUOTE] These modern farm animals were created for the purpose of consumption in the first place.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35513892]Wow this is GCSE biology. I mean you can synthesise the supplement with fermentation. Fermentation is just a general term for manufacturing using micro organisms.[/QUOTE] Or you know, you could cut out that gigantic middle-man and just eat the balanced diet that our bodies have developed to utilize instead of fermenting vegetable products to try and get something that just barely qualifies as a sustainable diet. I understand if there's some moral objection to eating mammals/birds/reptiles, but frankly I don't understand the reason in not eating eggs or milk; animal bi-products that can easily come out of a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis"]completely humane and mutual relationship[/URL] between animals and humans. Let alone the fact why most vegetarians and all vegans refuse to eat shell fish, which is a moral objection that I cannot fathom. It may be a preference, but it has no more concrete validity than a religious choice. Theres nothing wrong with veganism as a lifestyle choice, but it's a far cry away from a "superior" or "better" lifestyle (or diet) and certainly shouldn't be peddled as what it is not.
PETA, epitome of stupidity.
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