• Controversy over PETA's new billboard - claims meat pies will kill you
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[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35514161]These modern farm animals were created for the purpose of consumption in the first place.[/QUOTE] We're still doing what they would have done if their evolution wasn't changed. We're prolonging their race, and that's what the purpose of life is, in a nutshell. And if they were created for consumption, why not use it? Example, Drums created for the purpose of music. You wouldn't then ignore it's purpose and boil an egg on it. It's too late to change, so we should embrace what we have, not worry about what it used to be.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35513506]But why is it so horribly wrong that facepunch needs to hate on everyone who chooses to live like that.[/QUOTE] People are hating PETA, not vegans or vegetarians Enough with the victim complex
Anybody who refuses to eat products such a milk or cheese because it somehow "harms" the animal in some way is somebody whom deserves a kick in the bollocks.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35514287]People are hating PETA, not vegans or vegetarians Enough with the victim complex[/QUOTE] This, but more specifically it may be an unfounding hatred based on the fact that PETA goes out of their way to paint all vegetarians and vegans as pretentious loudmouth fuckwits. Vegetarianism and Veganism may be a legitimate lifestyle choice but I think we call all agree that PETA's retarded stunts do nothing but damage the vegetarian public image.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35514318]Anybody who refuses to eat products such a milk or cheese because it somehow "harms" the animal in some way is somebody whom deserves a kick in the bollocks.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://images.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/gmPbL.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;35514089]I don't know where you live, but in the Central valley of California vegan products are sometimes twice or three times the cost due to the fact that they are only sold at places that pride themselves on being vegan. Being a specialized product in a capitalist market, the prices are jacked up to sometimes quadruple their value simply because they can. In order for me to pursue an all vegan diet, I'd have to drive twice as far and spend several times as much to achieve an equivalent amount of nutrition content. It's simply unfeasible. I like making vegan or vegetarian dishes sometimes, but I could never afford to replace my diet with it in sufficient quantity and variety to address all of my nutrition needs on my current budget.[/QUOTE] no, you could if you tried harder than buying gardenburgers, morningstar, or boca crap. Try buying some wheat gluten or TVP and using that, maybe? It's something like $2 a pound and that's dried stuff that you need to add water to, so it really costs very little.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35514318]Anybody who refuses to eat products such a milk or cheese because it somehow "harms" the animal in some way is somebody whom deserves a kick in the bollocks.[/QUOTE] oh god their opinion is different from mine help are you seriously suggesting that keeping an animal in captivity and forcing it to produce eggs and milk doesn't reduce its quality of life? It's a matter of opinion how much and if it's worth it, but this is exactly the sort of behaviour I'm talking about.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35514351][IMG]http://images.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/gmPbL.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products. And just because something is made doesn't mean you're using it, that picture is literally the worst thing ever.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35514287]People are hating PETA, not vegans or vegetarians Enough with the victim complex[/QUOTE] I'm not a vegan
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35514287]People are hating PETA, not vegans or vegetarians Enough with the victim complex[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The Baconator;35514351][IMG]http://images.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/gmPbL.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] oh?
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59580000/jpg/_59580922_59580921.jpg[/img] that looks delicious
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35514318]Anybody who refuses to eat products such a milk or cheese because it somehow "harms" the animal in some way is somebody whom deserves a kick in the bollocks.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you have no idea how the dairy industry works, so maybe you should try and understand something before you shit all over the thread.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;35514498][img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59580000/jpg/_59580922_59580921.jpg[/img] that looks delicious[/QUOTE] indeed, they could have done a lot to make it look unappetizing too
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35514407]oh god their opinion is different from mine help are you seriously suggesting that keeping an animal in captivity and forcing it to produce eggs and milk doesn't reduce its quality of life? It's a matter of opinion how much and if it's worth it, but this is exactly the sort of behaviour I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] Chickens aren't forced to lay eggs. As long as the eggs are gathered, they'll continue to lay eggs until their calcium reserves are depleted. Then, they go through a period of not laying before they resume. In some cases, there are hens that never stop laying.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35514434]oh?[/QUOTE] That picture isn't hating vegans, are you just very sensitive? And everyone uses allot of those products Accidentally self rated, phone
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35514528]indeed, they could have done a lot to make it look unappetizing too[/QUOTE] maybe a hand reaching out of it.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35514407]oh god their opinion is different from mine help are you seriously suggesting that keeping an animal in captivity and forcing it to produce eggs and milk doesn't reduce its quality of life? It's a matter of opinion how much and if it's worth it, but this is exactly the sort of behaviour I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] FYI: Free range hens? Plus, cattle roam in large fields during the day, the only reason for them to go into the barn is protection and night and milking. They are technically forced to make milk, but they are.given easily enough space. Isn't it like, a cow every 2 acres of field? They're given waay more space then you're making them out to have. Also, you talk about quality of life. Their quality of life wouldn't be great anyway, all they do is eat grass, shit on themselves, sleep and mate. If ANYTHING, we improve their quality of life. We give them medical asistance and we clean them. You're making it out that we're horrible and keep them in cages. I USED TO BE A FARMER. I HAVE PROOF OF THIS
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35514579]That picture isn't hating vegans, are you just very sensitive?[/QUOTE] Because spreading misinformation and saying something doesn't exist is a positive thing, sorry I never realized that. I wish you didn't exist! =~)
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35514605]Because spreading misinformation and saying something doesn't exist is a positive thing, sorry I never realized that. I wish you didn't exist! =~)[/QUOTE] Everyone uses tons of those products
[QUOTE=Shadaez;35514605]Because spreading misinformation and saying something doesn't exist is a positive thing, sorry I never realized that. I wish you didn't exist! =~)[/QUOTE] It's just a joke, just because you can make those things out of animal products doesn't mean every single one of them ever was made from concentrated animal suffering.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RVvGS.jpg[/IMG] Much better.
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[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35514407]are you seriously suggesting that keeping an animal in captivity and forcing it to produce eggs and milk doesn't reduce its quality of life? [/QUOTE] On the industrial scale it certainly [I]does[/I] reduce their quality of life, but I spent a few weeks staying at the farm of some of my family's friends some years ago.. they let all their cows roam around free as they please. No fences, no boundaries.. there's nothing but thousands of kilometers of untouched wilderness beyond the farm. I'm pretty sure unhappy cows wouldn't stick around home when given a free opportunity to go wherever they want. Just because you own animals doesn't mean they are automatically treated badly or are perpetually unhappy. The issue with the human diet doesn't lie in [I]what[/I] it is, it lies in how [I]what it is[/I] is treated on a day to day basis. Animals are treated very badly in the food industry and that aspect certainly does need to change, but not by eliminating meat from the human diet.
This ain't as bad as their shark ad they put up just days after a man was attacked by a shark: [img]http://i.imgur.com/iEDPH.jpg[/img] Offending the injured [i]and[/i] portraying sharks in an irresponsible manner. Bravo PETA.
[QUOTE=Arsonist;35514077]I would rather be fat than skinny and vitamin deficient[/QUOTE] Lift weights and you get the best of both worlds. I stuff myself full and don't turn into a fat fuck. Win-win.
[QUOTE=OvB;35515116]This ain't as bad as their shark ad they put up just days after a man was attacked by a shark: [img]http://i.imgur.com/iEDPH.jpg[/img] Offending the injured [i]and[/i] portraying sharks in an irresponsible manner. Bravo PETA.[/QUOTE] Yeah, most of the time sharks bite someone is them trying to figure out what you are, or mistaking a surfboard for something like a seal, and the scale's totally off in that poster too.
Moral vegetarianism (and by extension, veganism) is such an idiotic thing considering the amount of animals that die in the process of harvesting crops, let alone other products that include animal products (like, for example, vaccines).
It's fucked up when everyone cares about what other people eat... like holy shit why does anyone give a fuck
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35513188]Being vegan is perfectly healthy: it's the 21st century. [/QUOTE] The single most complex machine in the history of humankind is the human. Humans have tried to understand humans since the beginning and yet we still don't understand half of how we function. We are durable, but we have our limits. When they arrive, they are often subtle. Little things go wrong. In an ideal world it is best to minimize the amount of change to our base diet. We evolved and died based on how efficiently we could operate on that diet for millions of years leading up to homo sapiens sapiens. Messing with it too much without understanding it is a terrible idea. Now it is your right to pursue that diet, no doubt, but it is by no means "more healthy" or anything approaching it.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;35514407]oh god their opinion is different from mine help are you seriously suggesting that keeping an animal in captivity and forcing it to produce eggs and milk doesn't reduce its quality of life? It's a matter of opinion how much and if it's worth it, but this is exactly the sort of behaviour I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] No, you don't seem to understand evolution. Domesticated animals willingly cooperate with humans, in order to gain an advantage over the animals that do not. These animals will breed and reproduce and ensure that their species will survive. In return they provide various services to humans. If we stopped this, then domesticated animals would go extinct. [QUOTE=Shadaez;35514518]I'm guessing you have no idea how the dairy industry works, so maybe you should try and understand something before you shit all over the thread.[/QUOTE] I get my information about the diary industry from reputable sources, not some PETA video of a impoverished diary farm from the 1970s in a turbulent country undergoing a civil war.
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