McAfee Patents Technology to Detect and Block Pirated Content - Polidicks

[QUOTE=person11;40416140]I agree that Piracy is wrong. I just do not see how trying to stop piracy could ever justify such invasion of privacy. This applies to SOPA/CISPA etc.[/QUOTE] Oh, obviously not. It's a problem that cannot be fixed without rights being trampled on, so it's something that our society has to live with as long as we value our privacy. I'm just saying: Don't pretend that you're better than someone who steals shit or that you're doing something noble. Not saying you can't do it or should go to jail or whatever. I'm just fed up with people pretending they're doing nothing wrong.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416137]Internet is a public open domain.[/QUOTE] Says what? Why is the internet a lawless, wild-west frontier?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416157]Yeah, it works that way, tho. You need to be able to provide chairs at higher comfort and convenience than some hack who barely beats them together. Like Valve. Not go around, break into houses of other people, and shout "YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR THIS CHAIR, YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL".[/QUOTE] I'm not saying anyone should break into anyone's house and arrest anyone. Its theft, stop kidding yourselves, stop being self entitled about it.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416159]Oh, obviously not. It's a problem that cannot be fixed without rights being trampled on, so it's something that our society has to live with as long as we value our privacy. I'm just saying: Don't pretend that you're better than someone who steals shit or that you're doing something noble. Not saying you can't do it or should go to jail or whatever. I'm just fed up with people pretending they're doing nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] I agree that piracy is wrong but so are these attempts to fight it via vilification and criminalization. The market should adapt and find positive ways of fighting it. Youtube and Steam are figuring it out. Hollywood and EA seem to be badly struggling. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416169]I'm not saying anyone should break into anyone's house and arrest anyone. Its theft, stop kidding yourselves, stop being self entitled about it.[/QUOTE] It's not theft because theft implies immediate and proven loss of wealth to the original owner. If you can't [I]prove[/I] loss of wealth, you can go get fucked.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416170]I agree that piracy is wrong but so are these attempts to fight it via vilification and criminalization. The market should adapt and find positive ways of fighting it. Youtube and Steam are figuring it out. Hollywood and EA seem to be badly struggling. [/QUOTE] I do not disagree. [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416170] It's not theft because theft implies immediate and proven loss of wealth to the original owner. If you can't [I]prove[/I] loss of wealth, you can go get fucked.[/QUOTE] whatever helps you sleep at night. It is theft, stop pretending it's not, and just accept that you're stealing work from someone without paying for it.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416170]It's not theft because theft implies immediate and proven loss of wealth to the original owner. If you can't [I]prove[/I] loss of wealth, you can go get fucked.[/QUOTE] So if I take something that belongs to someone but has no value it's not theft?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;40416163]Says what? Why is the internet a lawless, wild-west frontier?[/QUOTE] It's not lawless and it's not wild west. It's not your or anybody else's private property, and no corporate body should be given privileged rights and control over it just based on concerns regarding their private profit. And not even indirectly, based on pushing for legislation leading to it.

It seems like the anti-piracy crowd is growing on FP. Glad I'm not the alone on that anymore.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416182]I do not disagree. whatever helps you sleep at night. It is theft, stop pretending it's not, and just accept that you're stealing work from someone without paying for it.[/QUOTE] Firstly, you are openly accusing me of something you have absolutely no evidence of, and I would appreciate if you restrained yourself from such personal attacks. Secondly, if you can't back your statement up with some logic except "I am right and you are wrong", you can just refrain posting about it at all. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SweFox*;40416184]So if I take something that belongs to someone but has no value it's not theft?[/QUOTE] I guess? Even though "I need that rotten apple because I gonna compost it, don't touch it." already gives you enough of value for it to be considered theft. You can't really say "I need you to not to watch that movie because I gonna sell it to you." if you don't know if you succeed at selling it to me, tho.

McAfee is a terrible AV and adding this to their program is just another nail in the coffin. I'm surprised that they're still a company. And then thread descends into P2P vs AP2P debate for the next several pages. Cut it out guys.

The internet should never be controlled by any private entity for profit. It should be open to everyone. However, if I release an album tomorrow, I would like to retain my rights over it -meaning that I would like to sell it in any way I see fit, and not have to deal with pirates.

[QUOTE=person11;40416217]The internet should never be controlled by any private entity for profit. It should be open to everyone. However, if I release an album tomorrow, I would like to retain my rights over it -meaning that I would like to sell it in any way I see fit, and not have to deal with pirates.[/QUOTE] Which, quite simply and easily, creates a dilemma to which nobody found a real solution so far, it's as simple as that. Once somebody comes with legit solution, I will back it, but at this point everything either compromises profits or privacy of even completely uninvolved people.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416194]Firstly, you are openly accusing me of something you have absolutely no evidence of, and I would appreciate if you restrained yourself from such personal attacks. Secondly, if you can't back your statement up with some logic except "I am right and you are wrong", you can just refrain posting about it at all.[/QUOTE] I wasn't attacking you personally, I was speaking to anyone who pirates software and hides behind the idea that they're fighting for freedom and aren't a thief. Just accept it and move on. Not sure what's so hard about that. And what exactly are you talking about? If people aren't going to buy software and are instead going to pirate it, of course there is going to be a loss of wealth: All the sales you didn't get because of the people who decided to get the game for free instead of buying it. And don't tell me that "people who pirate wouldn't have bought it anyway" crap. Every person I know who has ever pirated ever has expressed interest in purchasing the software/game they pirated, but resorted to pirating it because they wanted to save money for something else. If, in a perfect world, there was no way to pirate, a person would have two options: Not buy, or buy. If someone wanted to play a game, they would buy it when they had the disposable income to do so. All you're doing is trying to rationalize it. It's not like I think less of people who do pirate or something. I think less of people who pirate and pretend they're doing nothing wrong, though. This is a good post: [QUOTE=David29;40400173]It is still stealing - just not in the exact same sense or manner that you would steal a physical object. That is why it is called 'pirating' and not 'stealing' - it is not exactly the same but still invokes the notion of illegally getting something for nothing. For example, you don't 'steal' a haircut - if I was to get my hair cut and then not pay for it I have not 'stole' anything or physically removed anything. However, the concept still exists that I have gained something and not provided expected compensation. People who say it isn't 'stealing' are technically right and thus trying to use that as justification to make themselves feel better. But ultimately you are still doing something that is morally and legally wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416237]I wasn't attacking you personally, I was speaking to anyone who pirates software and hides behind the idea that they're fighting for freedom and aren't a thief. Just accept it and move on. Not sure what's so hard about that. And what exactly are you talking about? If people aren't going to buy software and are instead going to pirate it, of course there is going to be a loss of wealth: All the sales you didn't get because of the people who decided to get the game for free instead of buying it. And don't tell me that "people who pirate wouldn't have bought it anyway" crap. Every person I know who has ever pirated ever has expressed interest in purchasing the software/game they pirated, but resorted to pirating it because they wanted to save money for something else. If, in a perfect world, there was no way to pirate, a person would have two options: Not buy, or buy. If someone wanted to play a game, they would buy it when they had the disposable income to do so. All you're doing is trying to rationalize it. It's not like I think less of people who do pirate or something. I think less of people who pirate and pretend they're doing nothing wrong, though.[/QUOTE] Interesting, I know a lot of people who say "Okay that game is good I am buying it" OR "Okay that game is shit I won't play it" OR "Okay that game looks worth a try but I am not shelling $50 for it". If you made pirating completely impossible, the second two options will merge. Profits won't go up. Of course, there is [I]some[/I] overlap between A and C, but it's not easy to quantify, and what I have seen of independent research and talk about it ([URL="http://torrentfreak.com/hbo-game-of-thrones-piracy-is-a-compliment-doesnt-hurt-sales-130401/"]first thing that popped up on google right now[/URL]) it's probably negligible compared to the real "will simply not pay no matter what", and might actually be covered up by the additional publicity. Either way, regardless the position of individual in the spectrum, and regardless the relative amount of damage done, the proposed ways of "dealing with it", like what's mentioned in OP, are [I]gross[/I] breach of rights to privacy, and are far more harmful than good. Even if I swear to not to ever pirate a single thing (and believe what you want, I don't really do it, anymore), I do not want an arbitrary body to snoop on where on the internet I go and what do I download. If nothing less specific makes it for you, lets say I browse a lot of furry porn. As internet is right now, unless I get a rat straight on my local network, or somebody goes through a solid chunk of detective work, infiltrates the pages I go to, rats these, then tries to figure out who does my IP belong to etc etc, then I am safe in my privacy and nobody can do anything about it. Nobody can tell where exactly do I go on the internet (I use private DNS). If an arbitrary corporate body begins monitoring my network traffic, thanks to legislation and technology Hollywood wants to push, there will be records and checks of everything I do, and hello, world is corrupt, I can very easily see them selling this info to somebody. Suddenly, my next employer will question my sexual preferences only because somebody felt like they are making less dough then they should be. That should never be allowed.

I already said that I don't want the internet to be monitored or anything like sopa, cispa, etc etc. It's all bad and I value my right of privacy. Stop trying to make it sound like that's what I'm getting at because it's not. All I am saying is for people to stop acting like they aren't thieves when they pirate shit. Like David29 said in the piracy debate thread: You're acquiring something you are expected to pay for, whether you like it or not. It's like going to barber shop, getting your hair cut, and walking out without paying. I'm not advocating the use of this anti piracy software. I'm not advocating people being watched online. I'm not advocating someone's arrest because they pirate. Just stop pretending you're on a moral high ground and not a thief because "There aren't any profit losses". Just because there aren't any profit losses (there are) doesn't mean you should be able to walk away with people's work. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] Also, to give an example as to how piracy does effect things: [url]http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/02/technology/game-of-thrones-piracy/index.html[/url] [quote] In a recent interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, "Game of Thrones" co-creator David Benioff speculated about all the special effects he could buy if those who illegally pirated the show were paying 99 cents or so per download.[/quote] Sure, they might not have lost ACTUAL wealth, but they lost potential sales, which is a large amount of money gone. Money that could have gone into, like Benioff said: Special effects.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416336]I already said that I don't want the internet to be monitored or anything like sopa, cispa, etc etc. It's all bad and I value my right of privacy. Stop trying to make it sound like that's what I'm getting at because it's not. All I am saying is for people to stop acting like they aren't thieves when they pirate shit. Like David29 said in the piracy debate thread: You're acquiring something you are expected to pay for, whether you like it or not. It's like going to barber shop, getting your hair cut, and walking out without paying. I'm not advocating the use of this anti piracy software. I'm not advocating people being watched online. I'm not advocating someone's arrest because they pirate. Just stop pretending you're on a moral high ground and not a thief because "There aren't any profit losses". Just because there aren't any profit losses (there are) doesn't mean you should be able to walk away with people's work. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] Also, to give an example as to how piracy does effect things: [url]http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/02/technology/game-of-thrones-piracy/index.html[/url] Sure, they might not have lost ACTUAL wealth, but they lost potential sales, which is a large amount of money gone. Money that could have gone into, like Benioff said: Special effects.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21856720[/url] I know this is for music, but I imagine similar results would be (and will be) found for other types of piracy. Your argument is not valid until you can provide evidence for it, that is, evidence that piracy causes loss in profits.

So they wrote a keylogger.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416336]I already said that I don't want the internet to be monitored or anything like sopa, cispa, etc etc. It's all bad and I value my right of privacy. Stop trying to make it sound like that's what I'm getting at because it's not. All I am saying is for people to stop acting like they aren't thieves when they pirate shit. Like David29 said in the piracy debate thread: You're acquiring something you are expected to pay for, whether you like it or not. It's like going to barber shop, getting your hair cut, and walking out without paying. I'm not advocating the use of this anti piracy software. I'm not advocating people being watched online. I'm not advocating someone's arrest because they pirate. Just stop pretending you're on a moral high ground and not a thief because "There aren't any profit losses". Just because there aren't any profit losses (there are) doesn't mean you should be able to walk away with people's work. [editline]25th April 2013[/editline] Also, to give an example as to how piracy does effect things: [url]http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/02/technology/game-of-thrones-piracy/index.html[/url] Sure, they might not have lost ACTUAL wealth, but they lost potential sales, which is a large amount of money gone. Money that could have gone into, like Benioff said: Special effects.[/QUOTE] From the article you linked: "I probably shouldn't be saying this, but it is a compliment of sorts," Lombardo said ahead of the season 3 premier. "The demand is there. And it certainly didn't negatively impact the DVD sales. [Piracy is] something that comes along with having a wildly successful show on a subscription network." Straight from the horse's mouth, in this case at least, it did not affect their sales. I know that one of the reasons Game Of Thrones and similar shows are pirated so much is because they are notoriously hard to buy and watch if you are in a country other than the US or you are not subscribed to its channel on cable. EDIT: Also can people stop rating T2L Goose and Awesomecaek dumb just because you disagree with them? Both of them are bringing up interesting points and are communicating them effectively, just rate disagree if you don't share their opinion.

Yet another reason for them to fuck off.

[QUOTE=person11;40416217]The internet should never be controlled by any private entity for profit. It should be open to everyone. However, if I release an album tomorrow, I would like to retain my rights over it -meaning that I would like to sell it in any way I see fit, and not have to deal with pirates.[/QUOTE] Indies don't usually get screwed, most people who pirate music pirate the popular music or pirate to "stick it to the man" (record labels, the ~MAFIAA~, etc) Bandcamp for example is a great service. You get to preview entire albums, buy a DRM-free copy with a couple clicks, get download codes for every format you could need, etc. And you know all of the money is going straight to the artists' paypal, which is awesome. People pirate because either they're cheapasses or they don't feel they're getting a quality service. All DRM does (with music and video at least) is lessen the quality of that service. "Oh I can only download this a couple times, or only have one copy stored at any time, or can't play it with anything but the company's pre-approved software" is a train of thought that leads to piracy.

[QUOTE=SweFox*;40416147]People who pirate because they are cheap (no it doesn't fucking matter if you're poor, it's not an excuse) are disgusting.[/QUOTE] Yes I am. And I am cheap because I don't have many money.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;40416757]Then you shouldn't be doing things you can't afford? I dunno; last i checked video games and movies aren't needed to sustain human life.[/QUOTE] Good thing I live a place with free health care, because then I wouldn't be able to afford that either. And I guess you are going to reply with "But those things are needed to sustain a human life." And neither is my hypercard that I use to go to school with. I wouldn't be able to afford it, and the school I go to isn't needed to sustain human life either.

My ISP gives McAFee for free as long as you stay a paying customer, and I think if I recall I got an email saying they were installing it onto their equipment. Not sure if this will affect me even though I don't have it installed.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;40416336] All I am saying is for people to stop acting like they aren't thieves when they pirate shit. [/QUOTE] [IMG]http://tightmixblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/piracy-not-theft-460x328.jpg[/IMG] I'm not sure what is not to understand. If you pirate you aren't hurting anyone and the majority of people who pirate wouldn't of bought it anyway. [QUOTE=ilikecorn;40416757]Then you shouldn't be doing things you can't afford? I dunno; last i checked video games and movies aren't needed to sustain human life.[/QUOTE] Wasn't piracy proved to help things in poorer people once the recession hit? Now they can spend less on entertainment and live a healthier life style. Sure it might not be right but would you really deny people a happier and healthier life because they can't afford a movie? You could say well just don't watch the movie at all then and you can spend money on other things still but most people won't sit around bored with no entertainment just because it is 'right'.

[QUOTE=Death_God;40415717]does anyone even use mcafee anymore[/QUOTE] Some campuses actually block my site because of it. Using Mcafee or something, so yeah, they block shit and people still uses.

Easiest way to reduce piracy is to simply offer reasonable prices and a way to obtain the product that is less complicated than piracy. That's really the biggest thing about piracy. People usually pirate either because they want to try out the product first but can't, because the product is available somewhere else but restricted in your country, because the product is harder to use because of failed anti-pirate measures (external account registrations/always online, drm), or because the product is unreasonably priced. Make a service like steam that allows you do easily purchase and download music, movies and television shows at reasonable prices, have the product be forever bound to your account once you purchase it (not just paying monthly to use it), stop fucking letting one part of the world enjoy your product for free while restricting other countries or not making it available until months later... and I'm pretty sure a lot more people would gladly pay for music/movies/television shows instead of pirating them.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40416170] It's not theft because theft implies immediate and proven loss of wealth to the original owner. If you can't [I]prove[/I] loss of wealth, you can go get fucked.[/QUOTE] If I'm reading this right you're saying that unless someone literally loses physical property or actual money no theft occurred? Under this definition how would you deal with patents as well as intellectual property?

[QUOTE=Morgen;40416844]I'm not sure what is not to understand. If you pirate you aren't hurting anyone and the majority of people who pirate wouldn't of bought it anyway.[/QUOTE] What about those people whose jobs are to make the things you pirate? No sales == no money.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;40416962]Yes but you HAVE to go to school. You dont HAVE to have movies or games. If you couldnt buy it at the store; then why should you play it at all?[/QUOTE] When the card costs around 899,- and the school is webdeveloper? [editline]Meh[/editline] Are your comma button broken?

[QUOTE=Amez;40416207]McAfee is a terrible AV and adding this to their program is just another nail in the coffin. I'm surprised that they're still a company. And then thread descends into P2P vs AP2P debate for the next several pages. Cut it out guys.[/QUOTE]Funny thing is, I'm afraid of getting involved in that debate just because I'd rather not be banned. Piracy is wrong, but you know what? So are these "counter-measures" against it. Steam and youtube seem to be finding happy mediums to combat piracy. Why can't hollywood and EA and the like do the same?