Best Korea fires mortars at Worst Korea - Developing Story
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China isnt happy by the looks of it... Their relationship with North Korea died down ages ago, right? So surely China wouldnt be taking sides with North Korea. :/
(This is going way too fast, I was expecting this to happen later on. Not now. >_<)
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[QUOTE=Rautatie;26242282]ALERT: North Korea prepares artillery capable of firing toward Seoul, South Korea - MBC[/QUOTE]
That's about half an hour old, sorry.
[QUOTE]ALERT: North Korea prepares artillery capable of firing toward Seoul, South Korea - MBC[/QUOTE]
The frequent Thunder and Lightning with strong winds makes this night pretty dark.
I think MBC is full of shit. How would they know of North Korean military activity within the borders of NK?
Shit's going down
[QUOTE=thisispain;26242275]if shit goes down i'm sodding off back to england and i'm gonna hide amongst the irish people
if irish people can't stop the north koreans no-one can[/QUOTE]
Whiskey was invented by God to prevent the Irish from ruling the world.
"ALERT: North Korea prepares artillery capable of firing toward Seoul, South Korea - MBC"
[url]http://twitter.com/LiveNewsWire[/url]
[QUOTE=Smasher 006;26242288]That's about half an hour old, sorry.[/QUOTE]
Negative, thats just posted.
[quote]ALERT: North Korea prepares artillery capable of firing toward Seoul, South Korea - MBC[/quote]
[QUOTE=Smasher 006;26242288]That's about half an hour old, sorry.[/QUOTE]
It just now appeared on Twitter.
[QUOTE=Smasher 006;26242288]That's about half an hour old, sorry.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's less than 2 minutes old.
[QUOTE=Rautatie;26242282]ALERT: North Korea prepares artillery capable of firing toward Seoul, South Korea - MBC[/QUOTE]
:byodood:
I'm going to go to bed.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;26242251]God damnit! I was hoping the only wars/conflicts going on would be the Naxalite-Maoist insurgency, the Afghan civil war, the Somalian Civil war, the Iraq war, the Pakistani war, the Mexican drug war, the Sudanese nomadic conflicts, the internal conflict in Burma, the Arab-Israeli conflict, the Basque conflict, the Colombian armed conflict, the Northeastern Indian insurgency, the Papua conflict, the insurgency in the Philippines, the Turkey-Kurdistan workers' party conflict, lord's resistance army insurgency in Uganda, the Jammu and Kashmir insurgency in India, the Maghreb insurgency in Algeria, the nigerian conflict, the Balochistan conflict in Iran and Pakistan, the Iran-Party for free life in Kurdistan conflict, the south Thailand insurgency, the fourth civil war of Chad, the Cambodian-Thair border standoff, the insurgency in the north Caucasus and the south Yemen insurgency....
Now the North-South Korean conflict started costing lives as well? Fuck, just another conflict on the list.[/QUOTE]
Except I've been waiting for this longer then the new Star Wars Trilogy.
And looks like this won't disappoint me.
A really informative post on north korean artillery I found(that is not all of it, I just post one part of it.Read more at the link below):
[quote=Bluffer’s Guide: North Korea Strikes![/quote]
Introduction
The madness of King Jong II
North Korea is quite probably the most militarized state on earth. By that I mean the extent to which military infrastructure (missile and anti-aircraft sites, bases, bunkers etc) intrude on the landscape and everyday lives of the more peaceful inhabitants. In that claim it has tough competition from the likes of Syria and Egypt, and even South Korea is pretty militarized, but North Korea still stands out; every village has a trench network and there are literally thousands of anti-aircraft sites.
I think there are several probable contributory factors: 1) The north Korean government, in effect a personality cult of Kim Jong Il, is paranoid. He may genuinely believe, just as the Soviets did, that the USA intends to invade his country. To draw a parallel, like the US believing that the spread of communism in SE Asia was a deliberate and aggressive encirclement attempt by the Soviets, so too Kim seems to believe that the American presence on the peninsula and Japan is a direct attempt to threaten his communist way of live. It seems to be a case of self-fuelling hatred where cause and effect are mingled in an endless cycle of hateful rhetoric, and the true origin of the conflict is soon less relevant that the current position (a bit like middle east?). 2) that Kim is also paranoid of his own people and keeps them under tight reins by means of a large standing army and by keeping them busy on military projects. 3) some misguided attempt to keep his economy afloat in increasingly desperate times. Remember that North Korea’s command economy is influenced more by ideology than practical matters – almost anti-Darwinian.
Whatever the causes, and I must stress that the above is just my unqualified ramblings, the net result is an impoverished, starving and paranoid nation with a massive, idealistically loyal and generally proficient military.
North Korea’s military is generally outdated and poorly equipped. The main portion of military equipment remains of Soviet origin with significant quantities of Chinese and local modified/produced systems.
Relative strengths of North Korean military:
a) Large numbers of troops and fact that at least 20% of adult population has military training
b) Widespread deployment of chemical weapons, particularly among the large force of artillery
c) Nuclear capability
d) Ideological loyalty of large portion of military and civilian population (“brainwashed”)
e) Extensive prepared defensive positions
f) Mountainous terrain to slow advance of enemy ground troops
h) Ability to maintain a degree of military secrecy
i) Massive stockpiles and ability to locally produce basic military needs such as bullets and rifles
Relative weaknesses of North Korean military:
a) Out-dated technologies, particularly in air-defense, air force, reconnaissance, personal protection (body armor etc) and command/control
b) Lack of money for advanced gear
c) Insufficient logistics support and lack of fuel for prolonged combat beyond own border
d) Undue controlling influence of Kim Jong Il’s personal concepts of military training and tactics – the whims of the dictator
e) Insular perspective allows false truths to propagate
f) Probably weak NBC readiness which is ironic given their own deployment of chemical weapons and nuclear threats.
I do not personally believe that North Korea actually wants the recommencement of open conflict or that they will actually bombard Seoul or fire a nuke at Hawaii. The North’s passive-aggression is most effective as a threat and becomes self-defeating as soon as that threat is played out. In open conflict I believe that South Korea, with the help of probably many countries abroad, would squash the Pyongyang regime just as Saddam’s fell in 2003. But the battles would be fiercer, the resistance and insurgency worse, and the death tolls, particularly amongst the South Korean civilian population, far worse.
From my viewpoint North Korea’s chemical and nuclear threat is more in the vein of Nazi vengeance weapons built in response to losing the conventional battle. They are intended to provide a massive if inaccurate retribution on South Korea and her (perceived) allies with the basic aim of putting the cost of winning a war beyond the “ideologically weak” tolerances of the “capitalist imperialists”.
”North Korea could flatten Seoul with Artillery”
I’ve been trawling through Google Earth imagery looking logging visible North Korean artillery sites. From this analysis it is apparent that there is a clear pattern of distribution with several concentrated ‘belts’ of positions:
1. Along the DMZ with densest distributions on the Western and central sectors
2. North of Pyongyang in a broad crescent extending North West to the coast
3. West of Pyongyang along the northern bank of the Taedong river, in the vicinity of Nampo
4. On the East coast near the city of Hamhung
[img]http://i26.tinypic.com/2s84aj4.jpg[/img]
There is a surprising lack of positions on the southern approaches to Pyongyang and around some major cities, such as Wonsan.
Main artillery equipment
I cannot illustrate every type of weapon but the most famous and probably intimidating is the 170mm ‘Koksan’ guns. These are pretty big bits of kit and at 55km have the longest range of any North Korean artillery pieces except for large SSMs (FROG, SCUD etc). The first model is designated M-1978 in the West and is mounted on an MBT chassis with minimal modifications:
[img]http://i43.tinypic.com/v4cigy.jpg[/img]
In 1989 an improved version was paraded featuring a crew compartment much further forward with the gun mounted further to the rear. This version can carry about 12 rounds on-chassis.
[img]http://i28.tinypic.com/awqo8h.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6428/m1989l1.jpg[/img]
Contrary to popular belief, these are the only North Korean artillery guns (or MRLS for that matter!) which can reach central Seoul from behind the North Korean Border. Although the system is likely to be employed in a regular mobile artillery manner, they would be rather exposed if deployed sufficiently close to the border to make such a bombardment. There are only 17 HARTS (hardened Artillery Sites, see later) within 55km of central Seoul.
[img]http://i39.tinypic.com/2rm9ruf.jpg[/img]
The massive Koksan guns are about 14m long (much longer than most artillery pieces) so would be a tight fit in most positions:
[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/28mnyp3.jpg[/img]
I did find what I suspect is a Koksan gun near the DMZ however:
[img]http://i30.tinypic.com/2rwb3tw.jpg[/img]
Early model Koksan guns served with the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war although they appear to have been retired. An Iraqi war-trophy example was found in Iraq by allied forces during the current war there – these guns are immense.
[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5289/m19781.jpg[/img]
Next best in terms of range are the 240mm MRLS at about 35km (too short to reach central Seoul from behind the border):
[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/24zk7zo.jpg[/img]
North Korea also operates various 122mm and smaller MRLS, popularly called the Grad or (perhaps incorrectly) Katyusha. These are awesome if primitive systems and unlike their larger cousins probably do not have chemical weapons rounds.
[img]http://i32.tinypic.com/2mowowl.jpg[/img]
The main artillery types are the D-20 152mm towed piece and the D-30 122m piece. These have a range of 17km and 14km respectively – North Korea is not thought to employ rocket assisted shells for these but if they did the range of the 152mm piece would be about 25km.
[img]http://i26.tinypic.com/2vsiufq.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/wjvod1.jpg[/img]
The D-30 is unusual among modern artillery pieces in that it can rapidly transverse 360 degrees much like German WWII anti-tank 85mm guns. To allow this it has an unusual triple leg design (vs the regular two) – this means that although it can transverse 360 degrees it cannot fire at high elevations except when the breech is between two of the legs. Also, the batteries sighting devises are likely biased towards the expected enemy bearing and sighting to the rear is likely by means of only secondary fire direction methods. Therefore on the Google Earth maps I have put the primary arc of fire as +-60 degrees from centre rather than a full 360. This is still good compared to the D-20’s 28 degrees without moving the base.
Most North Korean artillery batteries consist of four guns (fewer than would be expected in Western militaries) with six being used in the case of the D-30.
Other major artillery weapons include 130mm towed guns and 107mm ‘Chinese’ light MRLS, some of which seem to be local variants.
In 1980s North Korea attempted to upgrade its artillery by increasing the numbers of self-propelled (versus towed) pieces – in most cases this meant simply taking a towed gun and bolting it into the back of a cut-out APC. Main systems modified in this way include 152mm, 130mm and 122mm guns:
[img]http://i44.tinypic.com/2ept3k8.jpg[/img]
Consequently most North Korean self-propelled guns still need circular firing positions to allow the gun to transverse beyond the very limited amounts permitted on the mount. The main exception to this rule is the indigenous M-1992 120mm gun system:
[img]http://i28.tinypic.com/2h2eebm.jpg[/img]
The main artillery sites are termed HARTS (Hardened Artillery Positions). These are the North’s equivalent to the South’s “Fire Bases” but typically have just 4 or 6 firing positions. There are several common types.
I have over 400 of these included in the KMZ file, most with ‘range wedges’ showing the engagement zones. Yellow is typical 152mm towed artillery, light blue is the D-30 122mm guns (i.e. sites with 6 firing positions) and blue circles are mortar lines. Red is MRLS.
[img]http://i31.tinypic.com/2eevols.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i27.tinypic.com/21zdpz.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i28.tinypic.com/2elxqbp.jpg[/img]
Note that the guns are in travel position
[img]http://i28.tinypic.com/24doad5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i25.tinypic.com/9l90me.jpg[/img]
The below imagery gives insight into the construction of a ‘baseline’ HARTS:
[img]http://i26.tinypic.com/15wia7t.jpg[/img]
A couple of exceptional HARTS north of Pyonyang have 360 degree coverage. These may be used for MBTS but I suspect self-propelled artillery.
[img]http://i25.tinypic.com/24v2rtu.jpg[/img]
Only two HARTS appear to have the Koksan gun deployed. Example:
[img]http://i31.tinypic.com/2a5lr36.jpg[/img]
Coastal artillery sites are similarly constructed and equipped as regular HARTS:
[img]http://i29.tinypic.com/2i10bqp.jpg[/img]
There are also many of what I call “gun lines” – artillery positions without tunnels or bunkers.
[img]http://i26.tinypic.com/k5ndj.jpg[/img]
A small section at the Western end of the DMZ shows the mass of overlapping fire zones of the HARTS:
[img]http://i43.tinypic.com/10hsnza.jpg[/img]
North Korea does not appear to have kept up with computerised artillery control or other developments in the outside world. The only modern equipment seems to be a limited number of Yak Shmel artillery spotting drones bought from Russia in the 1990s. These are not particularly good by current standards.
[img]http://i39.tinypic.com/vo77gk.jpg[/img]
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Source:
[url]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-(2009[/url])
VERY BIG THREAD WITH LOTS OF INFORMATIVE STUFF ON NORTH KOREA.
CREDITS:
planeman of militaryphotos.net
"ALERT: South Korea's military on standby alert for possible wartime measures, citizens urged to prepare for evacuations - MBC"
I still think MBC is full of it.
Forget everything I said and go back to sleep.
Well, we still have seven and a half more days before we can brag to all of the baby fagas people.
[QUOTE=Rautatie;26242310]Actually it's less than 2 minutes old.[/QUOTE]
Ok, maybe you weren't but StupidUsername67 is.
[QUOTE=junker|154;26242300]Whiskey was invented by God to prevent the Irish from ruling the world.[/QUOTE]
sure, but once you get drunk enough bullets stop mattering
hey guys fucking help me out. I'm living in south korea.
how about not quoting the entire thing and just linking the source.
[editline]23rd November 2010[/editline]
ALERT: South Korea's military on standby alert for possible wartime measures, citizens urged to prepare for evacuations - MBC
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ALERT: South Korea's military on standby alert for possible wartime measures, citizens urged to prepare for evacuations - MBC
Shit's gonna hit the fan during the next 6 hours.
[quote]ALERT: South Korea's military on standby alert for possible wartime measures, citizens urged to prepare for evacuations - MBC[/quote]
EDIT:
Dangit ninjas.
Seoul is still normal except broadcasting, and Incheon (where the island located) is little paniced now. :P
[QUOTE=ddok1994;26242329]hey guys fucking help me out. I'm living in south korea.[/QUOTE]
What are they saying on your news stations?
Maybe Kim Jong-il is trolling the world one last time before he finally dies.
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