Best Korea fires mortars at Worst Korea - Developing Story - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Shadowstone;26254846]I'm kind of iffy on this. As I explained earlier, the consequences of doing so would be very dire for both sides, but in a sense I can see where they're coming from. The North has been irking for some time and there's some justification for doing this.[/QUOTE] If we do go to war with NK we would have to wrap up the Middle East temporarily, and quickly seeing how things can quickly escalate. And if you ever tried to wrap a present quickly without much effort it never looks nice.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26254959]So they attack South Korea? The nation with which they have the MOST trade?[/QUOTE] We're talking about a nation that prides itself in being economically independant.

Guy. GUYS! Warld wor 3 is starting.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;26255040]We're talking about a nation that prides itself in being economically independant.[/QUOTE] i.e. a shithole [editline]23rd November 2010[/editline] what happened, seriously I feel like I fucked up somewhere and now I'll never get gold :(

[QUOTE=Dacheet;26254889]World War Three is STARTING :ohdear:[/QUOTE] :downs: its been going on forever!! :downs:

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;26255089]gold member script runs every ~20-30-ish minute[/QUOTE] Oh really? Cheers, I didn't know that

This is the point where we realise Great Leader has been planting nukes underneath every country secretly using the power of Best Korea. ...oh ...oh GOD.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26255025]When the North not only started it, but is doing exactly the same thing to South Korea? There is always going to be a PR hit, but when your justification is "We do it so they STOP doing exactly the same thing to our ALLIES" I imagine you will likely be fine.[/QUOTE] Right, but then you have people saying how we shouldn't be bringing ourselves to their level. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, but the backlash would be biblical in proportion. In terms of PR, there is nothing anyone can do here that is going to please everyone. If you jump to war, the Left probably is going to scream and cry about doing negotiations first. If you negotiate, the Right is probably going to scream and cry that we need to wreck the hell out of them. And in-between you have a legion of idiots who can't think for themselves and scream and cry about whatever seems to be the popular opinion. It sucks, but it's true. :smith:

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26254891]Yeah except when it's about events that have actually [i]happened[/i] in terms that most people can understand, like politics, it makes sense to have a debate on opinions. What we've got here though is people debating about a country they know [i]nothing about[/i] with regards to events [i]that have not even happened[/i]. It's so pointless. The only thing it serves to do is make people needlessly excited and to give all the armchair-generals semis to nurse.[/QUOTE] If you don't want to play, don't come to the game.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26254975]Um... I'm not very well informed on this matter but:[/QUOTE] The United States actually only adheres to protocol I and II No other part of the convention on certain conventional weapons was adopted. Nations were allowed to sign on for a minimum of 2 of the 5 protocols. So we can actually use incendiary weapons all day long. [url]http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/NORM/C1C4BFCF736BF820C1256402003FBE82?OpenDocument[/url] EDIT: Actually five may also apply to us. I'm not sure on that one. [editline]23rd November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Dalndox;26255125]Right, but then you have people saying how we shouldn't be bringing ourselves to their level. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, but the backlash would be biblical in proportion. In terms of PR, there is nothing anyone can do here that is going to please everyone. If you jump to war, the Left probably is going to scream and cry about doing negotiations first. If you negotiate, the Right is probably going to scream and cry that we need to wreck the hell out of them. And in-between you have a legion of idiots who can't think for themselves and scream and cry about whatever seems to be the popular opinion. It sucks, but it's true. :smith:[/QUOTE] Oh absolutely, but that is why we are a Republic and not a Democracy. The Government is tasked with making decisions surrounding these topics, popular or otherwise.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26255137]The United States actually only adheres to protocol I and II No other part of the convention on certain conventional weapons was adopted. Nations were allowed to sign on for a minimum of 2 of the 5 protocols. So we can actually use incendiary weapons all day long. [url]http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/NORM/C1C4BFCF736BF820C1256402003FBE82?OpenDocument[/url] [editline]23rd November 2010[/editline] Oh absolutely, but that is why we are a Republic and not a Democracy. The Government is tasked with making decisions surrounding these topics, popular or otherwise.[/QUOTE] That's very true. That's why I believe the statement, "A person is smart; people are stupid." The problem with that is that the more people you rub the wrong way, the more desperate the aforementioned idiots are going to get. The last thing anybody wants is for some jackass to realize that 2 + 2 = BOOM and do something stupid. Appeasement is unfortunately necessary to keep people pacified, which is why at times jack shit gets done that needs to be. Unless somebody jumps first, this could get drawn out for sometime. [sp]Not that I'm saying somebody needs to jump and start firing wildly, but you get my point.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Jenkem;26254901]Stop generalizing. You'll be quick to say the same when someone on your side of the spectrum does or says something stupid.[/QUOTE] Nice edit of my quote. Go back and check the edit I made. Yes liberals are stupid, and they have retarded blogs that say the most dumb things ever. I'd be the first to admit that if it happened. I just got annoyed, and probably shouldn't have generalized (Which is why I made the edit)

Bolded what I thought was important to note. [release][U][B]After North Korean strike, South Korean leader threatens 'retaliation'[/B][/U] Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Hours after North Korea's deadly artillery attacks Tuesday, South Korea's president said "enormous retaliation" is needed to stop Pyongyang's incitement, but international diplomats urgently appealed for restraint. "[B]The provocation this time can be regarded as an invasion of South Korean territory," President Lee Myung-bak said at the headquarters of the Joint Chiefs of Staff here, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency.[/B] The incident -- in which two South Korean marines died -- is "the first direct artillery attack on South Korean territory since the Korean War ended in an armistice" in 1953, Yonhap reported. [B]In addition to the slain marines, 15 South Korean soldiers and three civilians were wounded[/B] when North Korea fired about 100 rounds of artillery at Yeonpyeong Island in the Yellow Sea, South Korean authorities said. The attack also set houses and forests on fire on the island. Some U.S. forces had been helping the South Koreans in a military training exercises, but were not in the shelled area. South Korea's military responded with more than 80 rounds of artillery and deployed fighter jets, defense officials said.Firing between the two sides lasted for about an hour in the Yellow Sea, a longstanding flash point between the two Koreas. In March, a South Korean warship, the Cheonan, was sunk in the area with the loss of 46 lives in a suspected North Korean torpedo attack. [B]The United States has about 28,500 troops deployed in South Korea. A U.S. defense official said more than 50 U.S. Navy vessels are in the area, including a carrier strike group led by the USS George Washington.[/B] South Korea's Lee said "indiscriminate attacks on civilians are a grave matter." He said that, since "North Korea maintains an offensive posture," South Korea's military forces -- the army, air force and navy -- [B]"should unite and retaliate against [the North's] provocation with multiple-fold firepower." [/B] "Reckless attacks on South Korean civilians are not tolerable, especially when South Korea is providing North Korea with humanitarian aid," Lee said, according to Yonhap. After the incident, Yonhap said the Seoul government "banned its nationals from entering the communist state, indefinitely postponed scheduled Red Cross talks and began looking at ways to push the United Nations to condemn Pyongyang." North Korea said the incident stemmed from South Korean maritime military exercises, code named Hoguk, and called the exercises "war maneuvers for a war of aggression." The "South Korean puppet group" engaged in "reckless military provocation" by firing "dozens of shells" inside its territorial waters "despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK" or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the North's military said in a statement. "The revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK standing guard over the inviolable territorial waters of the country took such a decisive military step as reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike," the statement said. "It is a traditional mode of counter-action of the army of the DPRK to counter the firing of the provocateurs with merciless strikes," said the statement, which warned that it "will unhesitatingly continue taking merciless military counter-actions against it" if the border is crossed.A senior U.S. defense official said South Korea had informed North Korea prior to the training mission, and that "there's no reason North Korea should have been surprised by this firing of artillery." Stephen Bosworth, the U.S. special envoy on North Korean denuclearization, told reporters both sides should exercise restraint. He was in Beijing to discuss nuclear matters with Chinese diplomats. [B]"The U.S. strongly condemns this aggression on the part of North Korea, and we stand firmly with our allies," he said. "The subject did, of course, come up in my meetings with the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I think we both share the view that such conflict is very undesirable. I expressed to them the desire that restraint be exercised on all sides, and I think we agree on that."[/B] The incident comes a few days after a U.S. scientist reported that North Korea has built a new uranium enrichment facility. North Korean officials said the facility is producing low-enriched uranium, said Siegfried Hecker, co-director of the Center for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University. The enrichment facility contains 2,000 centrifuges and appears to be designed for nuclear power production, "not to boost North Korea's military capability," Hecker said. But U.S. and South Korean diplomats said the revelation confirms the country's long-term deceit. Sanctions have been progressively placed on North Korea in response to a succession of nuclear and missile tests and the sinking of the South Korean warship in March. The United States said it would not dismiss restarting six-party talks aimed at denuclearizing the North. However, it said it would not return to negotiations unless North Korea showed good faith. Countries that had been negotiating with North Korea over its nuclear program issued swift reactions. The six-party talks include both Koreas, the United States, Russia, Japan and China. The United States "strongly" condemned North Korea's action, and a U.S. Defense Department official told CNN that the "hope is that this is just one isolated incident, not an escalation into a different military posture" by the North. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates called South Korean Defense Minister Kim Tae-young Tuesday morning. "Secretary Gates told Minister Kim the United States strongly condemns the attack by North Korea, views it as a violation of the armistice agreement and assured him that we are committed to South Korea's defense," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell in a statement. [B]"The Secretary and the Minister agreed their departments should consult closely and coordinate on any response to this act of aggression by the North," he added.[/B] U.S. President Obama, who said he deplored the action and planned to call President Lee, added that he doesn't believe North Korea is living up to its obligations. U.S. Rep. John Boehner, the House Republican leader who's in line to become the next speaker, said he joined Obama in condemning North Korea's "hostile action." State Department Deputy Spokesman Mark Toner said the United States would work with its partners in the six-party talks "to take a deliberate, slow approach to responding to this latest provocation." He wouldn't respond to criticism that the current policy is a failure, or at the very least, not working well. "It's hard; it's another setback," he said. "I think that everybody involved is stunned by North Korea's provocative actions." [B]Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China had "taken note of relevant reports" and expressed its "concern." "Relevant facts need to be verified, and we hope both parties make more contributions to the stability of the peninsula," he said.[/B] Russia's Interfax news agency said Russia condemned the shelling and said "those who initiated the attack on a South Korean island in the northern part of the inter-Korean maritime border line assumed enormous responsibility." Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan's cabinet held a ministerial meeting, and Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku announced a government statement condemning North Korea and calling the act "unpardonable." U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged that "any differences should be resolved by peaceful means and dialogue." A U.S. official with knowledge of U.S. strategy on North Korea says it may be time to adjust U.S. military policy in the region. While the exercises "are designed to deter further provocative behavior by North Korea, obviously it's not working," the official said. "When we announced joint military exercises in the Yellow Sea, it only angered China. And in other waters, it doesn't seem to be effective deterrence against the North Koreans." Scott Snyder, director of the Center for U.S.-Korea Policy, the Asia Foundation, called the act a "very serious provocation." "It also signals dissatisfaction with the inter-Korean relationship and an apparent willingness to keep inter-Korean tensions high. The incident could reflect a more aggressive view of what a nuclear North Korea thinks it can do without facing a broader escalation of tensions."[/release] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1[/url]

Wait a second... North Korea has the potential to make nuclear weapons? Why don't we just send in a tactical espionage soldier to take out North Korea and FIGHT METAL GEAR?!

[QUOTE=Dalndox;26255125]Right, but then you have people saying how we shouldn't be bringing ourselves to their level. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, but the backlash would be biblical in proportion. In terms of PR, there is nothing anyone can do here that is going to please everyone. If you jump to war, the Left probably is going to scream and cry about doing negotiations first. If you negotiate, the Right is probably going to scream and cry that we need to wreck the hell out of them. And in-between you have a legion of idiots who can't think for themselves and scream and cry about whatever seems to be the popular opinion. It sucks, but it's true. :smith:[/QUOTE] Sadly, this sounds believable when it comes to peoples' ideals and views.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26254929]They sit on a peninsula. The US fields, hands down, the single most powerful navy on the planet. The resulting air campaign and naval bombardment does not end well for North Korea no matter how many defenses they have erected to counter it. If it comes down to killing your civilians or letting you kill allied civilians, you are up shit creek. The USAF loves it some napalm.[/QUOTE] seriously are you in the military you actually know what you're talking about, which means about 99% of facepunch will never win an argument with you, every single political post I have seen from you is airtight and vacuum sealed you and Big Dumb American are the two biggest badasses on facepunch :patriot:

North Korea can say bye bye to their pretty little reactor...

Honestly I wonder exactly what [b]would[/b] happen if the west was to enter a war with North Korea, and sent the youth that's been raised with vidya gaems over to fight it. A lot of the general populace that's within draft/enlistment range would be sent over, and these people have been playing video games like CoD and Battlefield and their perception of combat is totally fucked because of that. They'd probably have no real idea of the harshness of war and combat even after boot camp. We can see bits of that with some of the marines and other army personnel returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Suicides, anyone? There's also a serious abundance of mental disorders resonating from rampant playing of vidya gaems. Teenagers are desensitized to violence and other shit like that, and they'd probably have a field day overseas if they could. I can also predict we'd see some serious atrocities committed if they're sent overseas. People need to stop fucking hypothesizing and blowing little border skirmishes like this out of proportion. Jesus tits, NK and SK have had border skirmishes every week. Anyone remember the ship they sunk... last year was it?

[QUOTE=cccritical;26255365]seriously are you in the military you actually know what you're talking about, which means about 99% of facepunch will never win an argument with you, every single political post I have seen from you is airtight and vacuum sealed you and Big Dumb American are the two biggest badasses on facepunch :patriot:[/QUOTE] Armchair general. AKA 95% of facepunch.

[QUOTE=cccritical;26255365]seriously are you in the military you actually know what you're talking about, which means about 99% of facepunch will never win an argument with you, every single political post I have seen from you is airtight and vacuum sealed you and Big Dumb American are the two biggest badasses on facepunch :patriot:[/QUOTE] PatriotFox

wait, Yeonpyeong is in the Yellow Sea? I always wondered where Mikfoz was posting from. Also, this is some terrible stuff. I'm really anxious to see this resolved :ohdear:

This means war. This is a blatant act of war and if SK/USA doesn't retaliate, they are pussies, and NK will simply try and get away with more stuff in the future.

Not gonna happen.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;26255387]Armchair general. AKA 95% of facepunch.[/QUOTE] Calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE=cccritical;26255365]seriously are you in the military you actually know what you're talking about, which means about 99% of facepunch will never win an argument with you, every single political post I have seen from you is airtight and vacuum sealed you and Big Dumb American are the two biggest badasses on facepunch :patriot:[/QUOTE] I won an argument with him once, but that was about physics. Don't ever tell anyone though :ssh: love ya Gunfox

[QUOTE=cccritical;26255365]seriously are you in the military you actually know what you're talking about, which means about 99% of facepunch will never win an argument with you, every single political post I have seen from you is airtight and vacuum sealed you and Big Dumb American are the two biggest badasses on facepunch :patriot:[/QUOTE] He's said some ridiculous shit

[QUOTE=daijitsu;26255405]wait, Yeonpyeong is in the Yellow Sea? I always wondered where Mikfoz was posting from.[/QUOTE] Mikfoz is still alive? Hes so old we could study him and learn the secrets of our evolution.

[QUOTE=hedhunta95;26255383]Honestly I wonder exactly what [b]would[/b] happen if the west was to enter a war with North Korea, and sent the youth that's been raised with vidya gaems over to fight it. A lot of the general populace that's within draft/enlistment range would be sent over, and these people have been playing video games like CoD and Battlefield and their perception of combat is totally fucked because of that. They'd probably have no real idea of the harshness of war and combat even after boot camp. We can see bits of that with some of the marines and other army personnel returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Suicides, anyone? There's also a serious abundance of mental disorders resonating from rampant playing of vidya gaems. Teenagers are desensitized to violence and other shit like that, and they'd probably have a field day overseas if they could. I can also predict we'd see some serious atrocities committed if they're sent overseas. People need to stop fucking hypothesizing and blowing little border skirmishes like this out of proportion. Jesus tits, NK and SK have had border skirmishes every week. Anyone remember the ship they sunk... last year was it?[/QUOTE] Here's the difference between the ship and this. The ship could be argued to have been in NK waters or made up more bullshit stories. This? This is an outright act of war.

And he can't lose arguments because he bans opposition

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;26255410]This means war. This is a blatant act of war and if SK/USA doesn't retaliate, they are pussies, and NK will simply try and get away with more stuff in the future.[/QUOTE] Yes, lets disregard all political, social and economic responsibilities and just WAAAAARRRRRR!!!! [editline]23rd November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;26255440]And he can't lose arguments because he bans opposition[/QUOTE] He's Glorious Leader?