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[QUOTE=matt54;26288692]Explain? I am from Canada.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.brecorder.com/news/latest/16012:stocks-fall-dollar-up-after-north-korea-attack.html[/url] Tell me if that helps.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26288737][url]http://www.brecorder.com/news/latest/16012:stocks-fall-dollar-up-after-north-korea-attack.html[/url] Tell me if that helps.[/QUOTE] Helps a lot dude. Our dollar rose recently too. Helped me out a lot, the stocks I have with Manulife rose yesterday as well. I might cash them out.

[QUOTE=-n3o-;26285926]So if this does break out into a war, America will go to war and so will Australia. Because we really love joining America in every war.[/QUOTE] What about your good neighbor New Zealand?

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;26289411]What about your good neighbor New Zealand?[/QUOTE] Well when Australia goes to war, New Zealand goes with it. Joint defence plan and all that.

If this escalates within the year, America's economy will crash like a motherfucker.

[QUOTE=-n3o-;26287118]True, but Russia did it pretty fast in 1914. Yet again they did have plans in place.[/QUOTE] Russia did NOT mobilize quickly in 1914. In fact, it was so widely known that they couldn't, that the German Empire's military strategy was to invade France first and knock it out of the war [I]then[/I] attack Russia, because they knew they would have, literally, [I]months[/I] to wait for Russia to build themselves up. [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] I know it's been stated already that SK's Defense Minister has resigned, but having a whole article is more informative. Article published about 20 minutes ago from the time of this post. [release][U][B]S. Korean defense minister resigns; North threatens additional attacks[/B][/U] Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- South Korean Defense Minister Kim Tae-young resigned Thursday, according to the South Korean presidency, two days after North Korea shelling left four South Koreans dead. "The president has just accepted the defense minister's resignation," according to a spokesman for the Presidential Blue House. Kim, a former general, came under heavy criticism after the March sinking of the South Korean war ship Cheonan and again after North Korea struck the South's Yeonpyeong Island on Tuesday. North Korea has been blamed by the South and other nations for the Cheonan incident, in which 46 sailors were killed, but has denied responsibility. North Korea has blamed South Korea and the United States for the Yeonpyeong incident, in which two South Korean marines and two civilians were killed and 15 others injured. South Korean lawmakers from both parties alleged that South Korean forces were unprepared for the North Korean attacks, and some have insisted that South Korean aircraft should have responded to the Yeonpyeong incident immediately. Lawmakers demanded Kim's resignation earlier Thursday. Kim actually submitted his resignation May 1, after the Cheonan incident, said the Blue House spokesman, but it was not accepted until Thursday because of the Cheonan aftermath and other military-related issues. The Cheonan sinking sparked a public uproar, with many stating that it should not have been possible for North Korea to have damaged South Korea's military, which is much more high-tech. President Lee also drew criticism for his first statements after the Yeonpyeong artillery bombardment, in which he asked for a stern response but added that de-escalatory measures also had to be taken. Later that same day, Lee spoke to the military and urged heavy retaliation. It was unclear who advised Lee on his first message, but on Wednesday, speaking to a lawmakers' committee, Kim said the president's first instruction was to stop the fire from spreading. A new minister is expected to be appointed soon. State-run North Korean broadcaster KCTV reported Thursday that South Korea had stated its plan to "fire towards our territorial waters with their Yeonpyeong-based artillery on November 22." The North said it asked "the puppet South" not to do so, but it persisted, and the North fired back in self-defense. "If the U.S. truly wishes to ease the tension in the Chosun [Korean] peninsula, rather than protecting the puppet South, they should control the South, so the South will not hang on to maintaining the NLL [Northern Limit Line] by invading territorial waters and firing artilleries," KCTV said. "This incident shows that the acutal offender of the armistice is the puppet South and it is the U.S. which created tension in the Chosun west sea." Earlier Thursday, state media said North Korea will launch additional attacks on South Korea if the South continues "reckless military provocation." Pyongyang "will deal without hesitation the second and third strong physical retaliatory blow" if provoked, its KCNA news agency said. As an example of provocation, it indirectly referred to a military drill that South Korea and the United States plan to hold in the Yellow Sea starting Sunday. Meanwhile, South Korea said Thursday that it will strengthen and supplement its rules of engagement in the Yellow Sea, following the incident on Yeonpyeong Island. South Korea was holding annual military exercises near North Korea when Pyongyang started shelling Tuesday. Shells from the South's exercises landed in North Korean waters, KCNA said. KCNA on Thursday continued its verbal offensive against the South Korean-U.S. military drill. "The U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces are foolishly contemplating an additional provocation aimed to orchestrate another farce and charade such as the 'Cheonan' case while kicking up rows and holding confabs one after another such as the declaration of a 'state of emergency' and 'a meeting of ministers in charge of security,' far from drawing due lesson from the recent shelling," KCNA said. The aircraft carrier USS George Washington on Wednesday sailed toward the Yellow Sea for the drill, which was billed as defensive. "It is a long-planned exercise," said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. "That said, it is meant to send a very strong signal of deterrence and also work with our very close allies in South Korea," Mullen said on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS." "We're very focused on restraint -- not letting this thing get out of control. The South Koreans so far have responded that way. Nobody wants this thing to turn into a conflict." On Thursday morning, Lee and his economic and security ministers met in Seoul. The meeting began with a moment of silence for the Yeonpyeong victims. After the meeting, South Korea said it would boost its rules of engagement in the Yellow Sea. South Korean marine forces based in five islands near North Korea and the disputed Northern Limit Line also will be reinforced, a government spokesman said. The tense maritime border between the two Koreas has become the major military flash point on the Korean peninsula in recent years. The Yeonpyeong attack also will lead to a plan for civilian safety on the five islands in the Yellow Sea, the government spokesman said. No details were immediately offered about the plan, but Lee on Wednesday ordered the strengthening of civilian shelters on the islands. The islands include Yeonpyeong and Baengnyeong, off which the South Korean warship Cheonan was sunk in March, killing 46 sailors. Seoul blamed Pyongyang for the torpedo attack, which the North has denied. The Lee administration also will continue to closely monitor capital markets and foreign exchange rates, prepared to take preventative measures as needed, the spokesman said. The Yeonpyeong shelling sent ripples through South Korea's stock market, which has rebounded. South Korea's economic and security ministries will cooperate closely, and the administration will publicize developments in real time to address major concerns and squelch rumors, the spokesman said. The Yeonpyeong attack was the first direct artillery assault on South Korea since the Korean War ended in 1953. Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/25/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T2[/url][/release]

lol China and NK aren't that great allies. China barely tolerates NK's shit and the only reason they give them aid is so millions of starving NKs don't go storming over the border and fuck all their shit up.

[QUOTE=croguy;26288539]Althrough they are allies, I doubt that China will join NK. [B]Everyone in the world would just embargo China and their economy will fall apart quicker than a tower made out of cards[/B], and that's exactly what everyone in China don't want to happen. They'll probably play the neutral card for the sake of economical stability.[/QUOTE] Haha, what? The whole world's economy is depending on China, it was the only country in the whole fucking world that kept doing good while the rest took massive hits on economy. Cutting ties right now to China would positively, surely, fuck every single country up into a wrecked piece of shit with no hope of ever coming fully up again (not in a 300 years, that is). Whatever you are smoking is causing your brains to die, stop for christ's sake. Because this is just stupidest thing I've ever heard

[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;26290258]Haha, what? The whole world's economy is depending on China, it was the only country in the whole fucking world that kept doing good while the rest took massive hits on economy. Cutting ties right now to China would positively, surely, fuck every single country up into a wrecked piece of shit with no hope of ever coming fully up again (not in a 300 years, that is). Whatever you are smoking is causing your brains to die, stop for christ's sake. Because this is just stupidest thing I've ever heard[/QUOTE] Haha, what? I hope this is a joke considering even though China may have the strongest [b]growing[/b] economy doesn't mean they're the dependent factor here. If anything, if the US falls, EVERYONE falls. If the US [b]WERE[/b] to [b]embargo[/b] china a lot of things would happen that could actually help us. A. All jobs are brought back to the United States B. Unemployment Falls C. Our economy starts growing D. Instead of "Made in China" it'll most likely now say, "Made in U.S.A" E. We regain our strength and position in the world. Cutting ties with China could affect them in several ways 1. Their economy crashes and burns 2. War is Declared on the USA 3. World War III Begins 4. They say fuck you too and just move on trading with other countries and they're still fine? [b]( For those who like to ASSUME, we're discussing long and short term process here. )[/b] [b] AND For those who have missed it as well and fail to read the last couple of pages, we are DISCUSSING the WORST possible scenario here. [/b]

Every superpower nowadays depends on each other quite a bit. If one was to collapse, the rest would follow as the country would cease to work without either imported food or materials. The whole world depends on each other now, and you can't just remove one part as it'll affect everything eventually.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26290581]Haha, what? I hope this is a joke considering even though China may have the strongest [b]growing[/b] economy doesn't mean they're the dependent factor here. If anything, if the US falls, EVERYONE falls. If the US were to [b]embargo[/b] china a lot of things would happen that could actually help us. A. All jobs are brought back to the United States B. Unemployment Falls C. Our economy starts growing D. Instead of "Made in China" it'll most likely now say, "Made in U.S.A" E. We regain our strength and position in the world. Cutting ties with China could affect them in several ways 1. Their economy crashes and burns 2. War is Declared on the USA 3. World War III Begins 4. They say fuck you too and just move on trading with other countries and they're still fine?[/QUOTE] This post is really incredibly dumb.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26290581]Haha, what? I hope this is a joke considering even though China may have the strongest [b]growing[/b] economy doesn't mean they're the dependent factor here. If anything, if the US falls, EVERYONE falls. If the US were to [b]embargo[/b] china a lot of things would happen that could actually help us. A. All jobs are brought back to the United States B. Unemployment Falls C. Our economy starts growing D. Instead of "Made in China" it'll most likely now say, "Made in U.S.A" E. We regain our strength and position in the world. Cutting ties with China could affect them in several ways 1. Their economy crashes and burns 2. War is Declared on the USA 3. World War III Begins 4. They say fuck you too and just move on trading with other countries and they're still fine?[/QUOTE] The US can't "suddenly have" all the manufacturing plants or workers in order to reproduce everything China does for the nation.

It may have been posted before but I remember reading a very long report/paper about why it would be a very awful idea for the US to invade NK. Anyone know of it?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARrGsv5HNNY[/media]

Someone posted this on /k/ and I'd say what he said is pretty spot on: [I]"You faggots do realize that most of their vehicles don't even have fuel for them, right? Their entire logistical structure is a mess. Sure it'd be pretty bad in the beginning but in a prolonged conflict they will crumble. If what some of the anons are to believed in this thread, they're some sort of military super power with uber brainwashed spess marine tr00ps. Why haven't they zerg rushed SK yet? Because Big Papa China told them not to? LOL! NK could give a shit less what China wants, they know they're pretty much alone. Most if not all of their main line infantry are underfed, trained and extremely demoralized just from the daily bullshit they have to endure from high command. The condition of their spec ops forces (Kim's bodyguards aside) is questionable as well. The hyper inflated charts you faggots love posting about their numerical advantage is meaningless if there isn't any gas, ammo or food for said troops/equipment. There have even been reports that some of the smaller navy ships are forced to conduct patrols using sail power because there just isn't enough diesel to spare."[/I]

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;26290908]It may have been posted before but I remember reading a very long report/paper about why it would be a very awful idea for the US to invade NK. Anyone know of it?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-dossiers/north-korean-dossier/north-koreas-weapons-programmes-a-net-asses/the-conventional-military-balance-on-the-kore/[/url] The text is under "A US Pre-emption Option?".

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;26290908]It may have been posted before but I remember reading a very long report/paper about why it would be a very awful idea for the US to invade NK. Anyone know of it?[/QUOTE] Well for one thing there's like 200 NK artillery pieces along the border just itching to shell South Korea into oblivion. [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman V;26290926]Someone posted this on /k/ and I'd say what he said is pretty spot on: [I]"You faggots do realize that most of their vehicles don't even have fuel for them, right? Their entire logistical structure is a mess. Sure it'd be pretty bad in the beginning but in a prolonged conflict they will crumble. If what some of the anons are to believed in this thread, they're some sort of military super power with uber brainwashed spess marine tr00ps. Why haven't they zerg rushed SK yet? Because Big Papa China told them not to? LOL! NK could give a shit less what China wants, they know they're pretty much alone. Most if not all of their main line infantry are underfed, trained and extremely demoralized just from the daily bullshit they have to endure from high command. The condition of their spec ops forces (Kim's bodyguards aside) is questionable as well. The hyper inflated charts you faggots love posting about their numerical advantage is meaningless if there isn't any gas, ammo or food for said troops/equipment. There have even been reports that some of the smaller navy ships are forced to conduct patrols using sail power because there just isn't enough diesel to spare."[/I][/QUOTE] lol yes the Korean People's Army is pretty shit. During the famine of the 90's they literally ate grass clippings. That was their rations, grass clippings and tree bark. The soldier were feed by seniority too so most of the new recruits starved to death in the barracks. Best Korea

[QUOTE=Aman V;26290926]Someone posted this on /k/ and I'd say what he said is pretty spot on: [I]"You faggots do realize that most of their vehicles don't even have fuel for them, right? Their entire logistical structure is a mess. Sure it'd be pretty bad in the beginning but in a prolonged conflict they will crumble. If what some of the anons are to believed in this thread, they're some sort of military super power with uber brainwashed spess marine tr00ps. Why haven't they zerg rushed SK yet? Because Big Papa China told them not to? LOL! NK could give a shit less what China wants, they know they're pretty much alone. Most if not all of their main line infantry are underfed, trained and extremely demoralized just from the daily bullshit they have to endure from high command. The condition of their spec ops forces (Kim's bodyguards aside) is questionable as well. The hyper inflated charts you faggots love posting about their numerical advantage is meaningless if there isn't any gas, ammo or food for said troops/equipment. There have even been reports that some of the smaller navy ships are forced to conduct patrols using sail power because there just isn't enough diesel to spare."[/I][/QUOTE] lol yes the Korean People's Army is pretty shit. During the famine of the 90's they literally ate grass clippings. That was their rations, grass clippings and tree bark. The soldier were feed by seniority too so most of the new recruits starved to death in the barracks. Best Korea

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26290762]The US can't "suddenly have" all the manufacturing plants or workers in order to reproduce everything China does for the nation.[/QUOTE] Well no shit Sherlock Holmes, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one. Did you [b]ASSUME[/b] that I was implying that? Because now I have to make an [b]ASS[/b] out of [b]U[/b] and [b]ME[/b]. We're talking long term and short term processes here. [QUOTE=Rigged237;26290705]This post is really incredibly dumb.[/QUOTE] This post is incredibly opinion-based.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26291269]Well no shit Sherlock Holmes, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one. Did you [b]ASSUME[/b] that I was implying that? Because now I have to make an [b]ASS[/b] out of [b]U[/b] and [b]ME[/b]. We're talking long term and short term processes here. This post is incredibly opinion-based.[/QUOTE] Please, please, please go away

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26291447]Please, please, please go away[/QUOTE] Please, please, please take economics. (( And read the fact that we're discussing worst possible scenario if you would read back a couple pages. ))

Since I know posting chat-logs on [url=http://atomic-tonic.com/chatlogr3mix.txt]here[/url] is against the rules, here is R3mix, being a dumb ass. Argh, Page king. I see boxes incoming soon. Oh god, I used the wrong here.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26291495]Please, please, please take economics. (( And read the fact that we're discussing worst possible scenario if you would read back a couple pages. ))[/QUOTE] You're not arguing anything. That last post of yours was just insulting people. :frog: [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;26291582]Since I know posting chat-logs on [url=http://atomic-tonic.com/chatlogr3mix.txt]here[/url] is against the rules, here is R3mix, being a dumb ass. Argh, Page king. I see boxes incoming soon.[/QUOTE] [img]http://static.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/emoticon_tongue.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26291640]You're not arguing anything. That last post of yours was just insulting people. :frog:[/QUOTE] Really? Cause last I checked I was having a discussion with Matt54, Croguy, and Raiskauskone V2 before you interrupted and started ASSUMING. :frogsiren:

Since I can't be bothered reading the other pages, any updates on the situation?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26291722]Since I can't be bothered reading the other pages, any updates on the situation?[/QUOTE] Nothing yet, the SK Defense Minister resigned, that's it so far.

[QUOTE=R3mix;26291495]Please, please, please take economics. (( And read the fact that we're discussing worst possible scenario if you would read back a couple pages. ))[/QUOTE] What you said isn't even hypothetically possible. Under no circumstances would America "embargo" China for any reason. I don't think you understand how economically entwined both America and China are.

[QUOTE=Rigged237;26291769]What you said isn't even hypothetically possible. Under no circumstances would America "embargo" China for any reason. I don't think you understand how economically entwined both America and China are.[/QUOTE] [quote=R3mix]If the US [b]WERE[/b] to [b]embargo[/b] china a lot of things would happen that could actually help us.[/quote] Again, discussing worst case scenario, go back a few pages and re-read.

My spy senses are tingling! I sense a derail coming soon.

[QUOTE=Dejarie;26289601]Well when Australia goes to war, New Zealand goes with it. Joint defence plan and all that.[/QUOTE] I heard from people saying that New Zealand have no military force or armed forces. That true?