Best Korea fires mortars at Worst Korea - Developing Story - Polidicks

I thought the drills started on Sunday? At least that's what some one said earlier in this thread.

[QUOTE=Trainbike;26302255]I thought the drills started on Sunday? At least that's what some one said earlier in this thread.[/QUOTE] Yes, drills involving the US and SK start this Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;26300610]Just because they aren't allowed to, doesn't mean they won't. look at pre ww2 germany. NK is damned crazy as it is. Japan won't like a war going on that near to them. They've been waiting for any reason to raise an army as it is anyways. This may be their reason.[/QUOTE] They aren't, and they can't. They are not allowed to have a large military under any circumstance, and they won't have to worry about NK even looking in their general direction because the only ones with even an ounce of ill will towards them is China, and even they won't do anything.

[quote=Yonhap](URGENT) N. Korea says it is 'ready to annihilate' S. Korea's stronghold [url]http://bit.ly/foO2Jh[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;26300610]Just because they aren't allowed to, doesn't mean they won't. look at pre ww2 germany. NK is damned crazy as it is. Japan won't like a war going on that near to them. They've been waiting for any reason to raise an army as it is anyways. This may be their reason.[/QUOTE] And how would the antimilitarist Japanese government violate Article 9 of their own constitution?

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;26300724]Think of how japan invaded china during ww2. It would raise tensions between them, especially if they raised another army. The simple point is china is still afraid of japan. Raising another army wouldn't help those relations.[/QUOTE] You have a [b]HORRIBLE[/b] perception of South East Asian Country relations.

[QUOTE=huntskikbut;26304235][/QUOTE] Its not a good idea to attack someone while the george washington fleet is in your back yard

[QUOTE=alienmartian23;26304679]Its not a good idea to attack someone while the george washington fleet is in your back yard[/QUOTE] Oh god what would happen if NK tried to torpedo it like the SK ship? :byodood:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26304742]Oh god what would happen if NK tried to torpedo it like the SK ship? :byodood:[/QUOTE] Rape would ensue.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26304742]Oh god what would happen if NK tried to torpedo it like the SK ship? :byodood:[/QUOTE] Taxpayers' dollars spent repairing the dent.

China are pussies, and are backing Best(Pest)Korea so they don't have to deal with South Korea's secret weapon: Starcraft.

[QUOTE=huntskikbut;26304235][QUOTE=Yonhap](URGENT) N. Korea says it is 'ready to annihilate' S. Korea's stronghold [url]http://bit.ly/foO2Jh[/url] [/QUOTE][/QUOTE] :aaa:

this is the japanese navy [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAXJaFydwM[/URL] i really don't think NK or the PLA will worry brotip: it sounds like semen sip

Guys, so now do you think Kim Jong Un is much more fierce and scary than his father?

Holy shit! [quote=Yonhap](URGENT) Military checking explosion sounds of artillery fire off west sea[/quote] [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] Confirmed from another twitter source

I've been reading up on this and from what I've read the South and the US are holding drills again on Sunday, both sides said they would react with tremendous force if provoked, while the North expressed they don't want drills being held and would attack if they are... Am I right or am I missing something? And to me it looks as if everythings in the North's hands at this point.

[QUOTE=Foo King;26305298]I've been reading up on this and from what I've read the South and the US are holding drills again on Sunday, both sides said they would react with tremendous force if provoked, while the North expressed they don't want drills being held and would attack if they are... Am I right or am I missing something? And to me it looks as if everythings in the North's hands at this point.[/QUOTE] Exactly. North warns that it'll attack if provoked, and SK and the US are doing exactly what supposedly provoked them last time. Seemingly asking for it, probably just attempting to call their bluff. [b]Also:[/b] [quote]South Korea update: Military official in Seoul says artillery fire appears to be within North Korean territory - Reuters[/quote] [quote]SEOUL, Nov. 26 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's military is checking reports of sounds of artillery fire around Yeonpyeong Island in the Yellow Sea border with North Korea, officials said. "There were reports of sounds of artillery fire inside the North's territory off the island and we are checking them," an official for the South's Joint Chiefs of Staff said. There are no immediate reports of damage on the southern side, according to the official.[/quote]

[QUOTE]"South Korea military says no artillery fired at Yeonpyeong island; says artillery fire appears to be within North Korean territory" [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.reuters.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=huntskikbut;26305333]Exactly. North warns that it'll attack if provoked, and SK and the US are doing exactly what supposedly provoked them last time. Seemingly asking for it, probably just attempting to call their bluff. [/QUOTE] Got it, thanks for the clarification. Also, where are you getting these updates? And does this mean that the North has opened fire?

[QUOTE=Foo King;26305433]Got it, thanks for the clarification. Also, where are you getting these updates? And does this mean that the North has opened fire?[/QUOTE] Reports I post are from Reuters and Yonhap News. Apparently the North was firing artillery at themselves? I'm not sure. The South heard artillery, but it turns out it was all internal to the North.

Please don't be anything happening :ohdear:

Now its a game of cat and mouse

Oh fuck oh fuck, BP drilled an oil leak in the ocean bed of the Korean peninsula. This will most certainly mean war. [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] Although why the British are drilling on the border in the peninsula that has no oil is still unknown.

This is an opinion article, but I feel that it's still insightful: [release][B][U]Why North Korea attack is not a crisis[/U][/B] [I]Editor's note: Paul Carroll and Joe Cirincione are program director and president of Ploughshares Fund, a global security foundation that seeks to make progress toward a world free of nuclear weapons. It funded last week's scientific delegation trip to North Korea.[/I] (CNN) -- Headlines and pundits once again declare that we have a crisis on our hands in the wake of discovering that North Korea is building a new nuclear reactor and a uranium enrichment plant. More ominously, Tuesday brought news of direct artillery barrages between North and South Korea, heightening tensions and costing lives. But as provocative and serious as this is, neither is a crisis. Both fit a clear pattern of North Korean behavior -- a pattern that ultimately holds out the opportunity for progress. Unfortunately, so far the U.S. response also fits a pattern of rhetorical condemnation but little in the way of creative or effective engagement. Some key lessons need to be re-learned in light of these developments. First, the fundamental security situation with respect to North Korea has not changed. Pyongyang's estimated stockpile of plutonium bombs remains the same (four to eight bombs' worth). It does not have the capability to deliver these devices by aircraft or missile and its plutonium program remains frozen or perhaps even further eroded, as described in a report by Dr. Sig Hecker, who visited the North's nuclear facilities two weeks ago. Tuesday, in a briefing in Washington, Hecker, the former head of the Los Alamos Nuclear Laboratory, said that his report had been "hyped" in the media. He detailed how the new facilities, while potentially capable of producing material for bombs, are hardly the quickest route for North Korea to do so. Here's why. Uranium weapons are bigger than plutonium weapons, thus more difficult to shrink to the size needed for a missile warhead. The facility Hecker visited could only produce one or two bombs' worth of material a year, it is not clear when it will be fully operational and it has been built to replace the plutonium production facilities, not add to them. The new, small light-water reactor under construction is actually not very good for producing weapons-grade plutonium. If North Korea wanted to expand its nuclear arsenal, it makes much more sense for it to restart the plutonium reactor it has, not replace it with this new one. Finally, the North Koreans said they would scrap their plutonium capabilities completely in exchange for improved relations with the United States. In short, it is conceivable that the facilities are what the North claims, its attempt at home-grown nuclear energy, a goal the North has had for decades. As Hecker said, the trip raised "as many questions as it answered." Second, as difficult as engagement is, it is preferable to the alternative, isolation and instability. Remember that North Korea succeeded in acquiring or building these new facilities during a time when sanctions were extreme and U.S. engagement was absent. In fact, we only know about the facilities because of an unofficial visit by Americans whom the North wanted to use to reveal them. Before that, the Bush administration's years-long policy of complete isolation allowed North Korea to produce plutonium, fashion it into bombs and test two of them. Only in the last two years of the Bush era did a change in U.S. approach bear some fruit in freezing North Korea's programs. "Strategic patience" has been the nickname for the U.S. approach to North Korea since the early weeks of the Obama administration, when Pyongyang rejected early overtures of dialogue. What the administration failed to grasp is that diplomacy with the North is pretty much the most difficult exercise one can do in international relations. But that does not mean you shouldn't continue to try, even when -- or maybe especially when -- the response is a poke in the eye. So where does this leave us? What can or should the United States do to respond to these latest developments? Here again, everything old is new again: Creative, thoughtful approaches to engaging North Korea have to be designed and tested -- persistently. Yes, U.S. overtures will annoy allies in the region, but not if done in concert with or through consultation with them. Yes, the administration will suffer reactionary criticism from the right for "dealing with evil" or similar screeds. But the stakes are too high to allow the long-term threats that North Korea poses to be hamstrung by near-term political scorekeeping. President Obama has to be bold. A number of ideas about how to proceed are offered in a recent piece by Lee Sigal of the Social Sciences Research Council. These suggestions, including economic incentives and diplomatic measures such as a trip by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to North Korea and the conclusion of a peace declaration involving both Koreas and China, are a good starting point. Sun-tzu, an ancient Chinese expert on the region, advised, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Good advice and as relevant as ever for the United States regarding North Korea. [I]The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Paul Carroll and Joe Cirincione.[/I] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/11/23/carroll.cirincione.korea/index.html[/url][/release]

Any new updates?

I think with South Korean military being forced into action, the North will either push things past the brink of war, or retreat completely from their stance.

When the US and S. Korea conduct military drills, I think we'll see more action.

[QUOTE=Miskatonic;26307213]When the US and S. Korea conduct military drills, I think we'll see more action.[/QUOTE] Did you see the US Washington? It is loaded with nuclear weapons, two nuclear subs, 75 jets, a crew of 6000 and a convoy escorting it there & protecting it. Here's a video courtesy of a Norwegian newspaper: [url]http://www.vgtv.no/?id=34241[/url] And a picture of it on it's way to SK: [IMG]http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2010/11/25/1290681567387_317.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Spetzaz;26307270]Did you see the US Washington? It is loaded with nuclear weapons, two nuclear subs, 75 jets, a crew of 6000 and a convoy escorting it there & protecting it. Here's a video courtesy of a Norwegian newspaper: [url]http://www.vgtv.no/?id=34241[/url] And a picture of it on it's way to SK: [img_thumb]http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2010/11/25/1290681567387_317.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] it is called a battlegroup

[QUOTE=Bluesummers;26307406]it is called a battlegroup[/QUOTE] North Korea is playing mind games with everyone and this is a mix of gettinh a better deal with the USA, pushing a new leader into the fray and trying to get aid from the USA. The best thing the SK government can do is not esclate it any further which they are doing and wait it out. USA will have to give something to NK but this time get them into a postition where they cna't keep doing this shit. North Korea your modern day Robin Hood/Troll.