Belgium police attack: Man shouting 'Allahu Akbar' attacks two officers in Charleroi with machete - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bitches;50840159]that's a nice shitposting echo chamber you guys have got going on here, intentionally misrepresenting opposing viewpoints to exclaim how muslims are all satanists and that the dirty liberals don't recognize the existence of islamic violence either you're actually that racist or this is a case of poe's law gone viral (not referring to nVidia on that one)[/QUOTE] you just did the thing you criticized them of, what are you doing like, I don't agree with their particular viewpoint, but lmao man not even getting into the fact that you're simply dismissing them as 'racist' when there's a legitimate debate here [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] they're not even poking fun at muslims, they're poking at people like [i]you[/i]. their entire point was that we can't actually talk about these issues without someone like [i]you[/i] coming out and calling them racist without an actual argument - which you did

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840529]Where did i say all muslims are like this? Find me the words, i dare you. I was judging the book they worship, and every terrible word, idea and principal inside. To say "It doesn't change the point that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people for radical actions" is wrong. Because they're not 'radical' muslims. They're practicing what they read in the Qaran. Not some ridiculous, non cannon, heretical fringe like Westborough or some politically motivated, authoritarian perversion of islam used to further the interests of a few, like the pre lutharian catholic church, they're practicing islam. I am judging basic, unadulterated islam, based on my readings of my copy of the Quran, supplimented by some talks i listen to from ex muslims, talking about the history and contemporary state of islam. Here's what's going on here. You see me talking about these ideas, and associate them with "radical terrorists", or a minority of Muslims. And see that as pretentious as judging the heinous extremist minority of any group to represent that whole group. like the german RAF "liberals", or radical feminists, or crazy off the turnip wagon anti state libertarians, the IRA, all extreme perversions of their parent ideas, which have diverged so far as to not represent those original ideas in any way. But here's the thing. Islam is different. I'm not judging some radical militant sect of islam, I'm judging the basic, unfettered words in the Quran, as they have stood since 600AD. A book so stuck in time that any minor change in it is heretical. Mohammad was viewed as absolutely holy, to change his words is to change the word of Allah. These are not radical heretics, these are people who are practicing Islam as it has always been. This is islam so cannon and widespread, it'd be the equivalent of a basic baptist church, with nothing but a copy of the king james. Islam is not the same as any other religion. It was the preachings of a warlord claiming to be the last prophet, who simply taught whatever he needed to teach to keep his men loyal and bloodthirsty. And unlike western religions, it has [I]refused[/I] reformation. [B]There aren't any terrible teachings in the bible, any terrible practices were perversions by the catholic or other such churches to serve their own ends, or were heretical side branches during the middle ages. All were purged by the lutharian reformations.[/B] Find me a quote in the new testament where it says to wage holy war on other religions, to keep slaves, to keep multiple wives, to value women as half of that of men, that women must cover themselves up so as not to "entice" men, as to excuse a man of all sexual responsibility. Find me a passage saying that gays, apostates, adulterers or female rape victims should be put to death for their "crimes". I'll spoil it for you, you can't. and even if you could, it'd be irrelevant. Even to begin with, there's many verses saying that any religious "battles" are of a [URL="http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/ephesians/6-12.html"]spiritual and abstract nature[/URL], and not of a physical conquest. And in current times, the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation"]protestant reformations[/URL], which is the basis of all modern Christianity and to a point Catholicism, was a movement to modernize the religion, to stop all the horrible actions that you're using to directly equate islam with literally any other religion. I challenge you to find any comparable verses in the new testament, even pre luther heretical texts to those that are currently practiced in the Qaran. I'll wait.[/QUOTE] I agree with the sentiment of your post, but this particular part goes too far in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50840486]You just used the narrative narrative again. Please watch the video I posted above, especially the last minute or so. You're basically claiming this: Muslims are for the most part just like you and me. They are doctors, business people, and average citizens. However, by criticizing their religion at all we are "alienating" them or "driving them into the hands of terrorists". This claim is either 1. False, and its the most uncharitable thing ever said about a community and you should stop saying it. 2. True, and therefore Muslims are NOT just normal people like you and me and we should be super worried about this.[/QUOTE] That's a ridiculously oversimplified explanation. A large community judging [I]all[/I] members of a community (leading to discrimination) by the actions of a radical few means the youth of the community will grow up alienating them (something you seem to mock and not understand, perhaps since you don't know what that's like). [I]ALL[/I] humans are capable of becoming monsters if raised under violent or hostile environments. [QUOTE=Pantz Master;50840524]Where does this myth come from?[/QUOTE] The millions of people that cherry-pick what they wish to believe from their religions, revealing a lack of wholehearted dedication to religion itself when that religion contradicts values they were more strongly taught to focus upon by their family and community. [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840529]Where did i say all muslims are like this? Find me the words, i dare you. I didn't say "this one muslim attatcked a policewoman with a machete, therefore they all will." I was saying here's the book they worship, and it's filled to the brim with terrible ideas that directly encourage this violent behaviour. The definition of a muslim is someone who worships the ideas in the Quran, and that's what i was judging. To say "It doesn't change the point that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people for radical actions" is wrong. Because they're not 'radical' muslims. They're practicing what they read in the Qaran. Not some ridiculous, non cannon, heretical fringe like Westborough or some politically motivated, authoritarian perversion of islam used to further the interests of a few, like the pre lutharian catholic church, they're practicing islam. I am judging basic, unadulterated islam, based on my readings of my copy of the Quran, supplimented by some talks i listen to from ex muslims, talking about the history and contemporary state of islam. Here's what's going on here. You see me talking about these ideas, and associate them with "radical terrorists", or a minority of Muslims. And see that as pretentious, presumptuous and irrational as judging the heinous extremist minority of any group to represent that whole group. like the german RAF "liberals", or radical feminists, or crazy off the turnip wagon anti state libertarians, the IRA, all extreme perversions of their parent ideas, which have diverged so far as to not represent those original ideas in any way. But here's the thing. Islam is different. I'm not judging some radical militant sect of islam, I'm judging the basic, unfettered words in the Quran, as they have stood since 600AD. A book so stuck in time that any minor change in it is heretical. Mohammad was viewed as absolutely holy, to change his words is to change the word of Allah. These are not radical heretics, these are people who are practicing Islam as it has always been. This is islam so cannon and widespread, it'd be the equivalent of a basic baptist church, with nothing but a copy of the king james. Islam is not the same as any other religion. It was the preachings of a warlord claiming to be the last prophet, who simply taught whatever he needed to teach to keep his men loyal and bloodthirsty. And unlike western religions, it has [I]refused[/I] reformation. There aren't any terrible teachings in the bible, any terrible practices were perversions by the catholic or other such churches to serve their own ends, or were heretical side branches during the middle ages. All were purged by the lutharian reformations. Find me a quote in the new testament where it says to wage holy war on other religions, to keep slaves, to keep multiple wives, to value women as half of that of men, that women must cover themselves up so as not to "entice" men, as to excuse a man of all sexual responsibility. Find me a passage saying that gays, apostates, adulterers or female rape victims should be put to death for their "crimes". I'll spoil it for you, you can't. and even if you could, it'd be irrelevant. Even to begin with, there's many verses saying that any religious "battles" are of a [URL="http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/ephesians/6-12.html"]spiritual and abstract nature[/URL], and not of a physical conquest. And in current times, the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation"]protestant reformations[/URL], which is the basis of all modern Christianity and to a point Catholicism, was a movement to modernize the religion, to stop all the horrible actions that you're using to directly equate islam with literally any other religion. I challenge you to find any comparable verses in the new testament, even pre luther heretical texts to those that are currently practiced in the Qaran. I'll wait.[/QUOTE] the point was never to argue which religion is worse than the other religion: the point is that they both are filled with backwards ideas and leaps of logic (and no, you don't get to cherry-pick which branch of christianity you're talking about if you want to make the point that islam is worse), to the shockingly obvious revelation that religion is a tool used by communities to reinforce their own beliefs they held independent of that religion (and to ignore what parts do not support their community's views) if you look at the role of religion with more depth than assuming everyone is a mere puppet to their [I]book[/I], you might start to understand that there are more complex social factors to focus on than which religion someone claims to follow focusing on [I]religion[/I] will never improve the rates at which individuals become radicalized

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50840576]I agree with the sentiment of your post, but this particular part goes too far in my opinion.[/QUOTE] I was thinking of stuff like the inquisition or the middle ages catholic church. Both of which were based on either an external interpertation of the bible or the romans trying to monitize christianity and making what's basically a corporation with the stand in powers of god. My dad's a pretty hardcore christian, who loves the obscure and unpopular parts of the bible. Even the worst of it is orders of magnitude better than basic and widespread islamic teachings. I'd love to hear what you disagree about though [QUOTE=bitches;50840580] the point was never to argue which religion is worse than the other religion: the point is that they both are filled with backwards ideas and leaps of logic (and no, you don't get to cherry-pick which branch of christianity you're talking about if you want to make the point that islam is worse), to the shockingly obvious revelation that religion is a tool used by communities to reinforce their own beliefs they held independent of that religion (and to ignore what parts do not support their community's views)[/QUOTE] Show me comparable "backwards ideas and leaps of logic", beyond the basic concept of monotheism. I keep asking, and you keep ignoring it while using it as a basis for your argument. And i'm not cheery picking which branch of christianity i'm talking about. I'm talking about basic christianity. The lutharian reformation didn't alter the text of the bible, it altered and rejected the corrupt institutions built on a foundation of abusing and perverting those teachings. The ideas of the bible have remained unchanged beyond a gradual garbling through translations.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50840551]you just did the thing you criticized them of, what are you doing like, I don't agree with their particular viewpoint, but lmao man not even getting into the fact that you're simply dismissing them as 'racist' when there's a legitimate debate here [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] they're not even poking fun at muslims, they're poking at people like [i]you[/i]. their entire point was that we can't actually talk about these issues without someone like [i]you[/i] coming out and calling them racist without an actual argument - which you did[/QUOTE] yeah pantz master is totally not literally saying that a religious text is the direct cause of these attacks

[QUOTE=bitches;50840580] focusing on [I]religion[/I] will never improve the rates at which individuals become radicalized[/QUOTE] Do you actually have anything to substantiate that claim because that sounds fucking absurd. I doubt you would argue that cults couldn't radicalize people so why couldn't religions?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50840524]Where does this myth come from?[/QUOTE] its not really a myth. throughout human history, there have been shitloads of crazy people that follow anything and will kill for it. cults, mobs, religions, you name it. while they've surely been influenced by their religion, you cant honestly say that these people would be hardworking citizens if islam didnt exist. they would have simply followed some other crazy thing.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50840609]Do you actually have anything to substantiate that claim because that sounds fucking absurd. I doubt you would argue that cults couldn't radicalize people so why couldn't religions?[/QUOTE] do you think it is the [I]beliefs[/I] of a back-woods cult that converts people to their practices? do you really not think it has to do with more complex psychology to do with the specific lives of those involved?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840622]do you think it is the [I]beliefs[/I] of a back-woods cult that converts people to their practices? do you really not think it has to do with more complex psychology to do with the specific lives of those involved?[/QUOTE] Do you really think that being told every day that apostates should die doesn't have a psychological effect?

What even is this thread. I feel sorry for the victims of the attack and I'm glad the attacker is dead while no-one else was killed. It's pretty obvious this guy is just a dickhead that doesn't represent all Muslims. That satisfy everyone?

[QUOTE=Thlis;50840627]Do you really think that being told every day that apostates should die doesn't have a psychological effect?[/QUOTE] who is told this every day? do you actually believe that the average muslim citizen in the united states tells their small children to kill the infidels? or that this only happens in syria? if you believe the latter, you can't also believe that religion is the cause rather than community if you believe the former, you're just demonizing innocent families

[QUOTE=bitches;50840635]who is told this every day? do you actually believe that the average muslim citizen in the united states tells their small children to kill the infidels? or that this only happens in syria? if you believe the latter, you can't also believe that religion is the cause rather than community if you believe the former, you're just demonizing innocent families[/QUOTE] By the kind of logic you are going along with you could start a "[insert race here] murder club", hand out pamphlets on why [insert race here] should be murdered, and apparently there is no blame to be put on the ideology of the murder club.

[QUOTE=bitches;50840622]do you think it is the [I]beliefs[/I] of a back-woods cult that converts people to their practices? do you really not think it has to do with more complex psychology to do with the specific lives of those involved?[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is that the context and culture in which you're raised has literally zero effect on your development and world view? If that's true, and an individual has absolute control over their identity and nature, absolutely isolated from the greater context of their societies, why aren't you speaking Xianbei, and hold a Confucian world view? Because you weren't born in 1500's china. You speak english and presumably hold western concepts of society, morality and even the western concept of an individual, because that's where you live, and how you were raised. Now imagine you're taught the Quran your entire life, and how apostates, gays, women adulterers,non believers and anyone who tolerate those things have to die. That's islam. Fundimental islam isn't some "back woods cult", it's a religion with 1.4 billion under it's roof. And a religion with a singular form of government, law and societal practices entailed inside it. There's a reason the term "Islamic Nation" exists. It doesn't mean a place with lots of muslims, it means a place [I]founded [/I]on islamic teachings.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50840641]By the kind of logic you are going along with you could start a "[insert race here] murder club", hand out pamphlets on why [insert race here] should be murdered, and apparently there is no blame to be put on the ideology of the murder club.[/QUOTE] yes ideology is a set of words actions are taught by people who use words as excuses and mere justification to commit their crimes but you also didn't answer my question at all: you claimed that children are taught to kill apostates which children? how can it be the religious text itself that children grow up believing in above all else, and not the values taught by their communities (no matter the text they [I]claim[/I] to follow), if the US vs ISIS muslim children have completely different morals? ...or are you saying that all muslims secretly believe in murdering apostates? [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840647]So what you're saying is that the context and culture in which you're raised has literally zero effect on your development and world view? If that's true, and an individual has absolute control over their identity and nature, absolutely isolated from the greater context of their societies, why aren't you speaking Xianbei, and hold a Confucian world view? Because you weren't born in 1500's china. You speak english and presumably hold western concepts of society, morality and even the western concept of an individual, because that's where you live, and how you were raised. Now imagine you're taught the Quran your entire life, and how apostates, gays, women adulterers,non believers and anyone who tolerate those things have to die. That's islam.[/QUOTE] actually I've been saying that context and culture define a child's developmental ethics, but that religion takes a near irrelevant role compared to the beliefs of a community (even if that community claims religion as their reasoning) this is proven by large muslim communities in first world nations that condemn ISIS attacks despite following the same religious text: if you're saying that the religious text directly supports the actions of ISIS and that both groups follow that text, it proves that community is more important than religion in upbringing

[QUOTE=bitches;50840658]yes ideology is a set of words actions are taught by people who use words as excuses and mere justification to commit their crimes but you also didn't answer my question at all: you claimed that children are taught to kill apostates which children? how can it be the religious text itself that children grow up believing in above all else, and not the values taught by their communities (no matter the text they [I]claim[/I] to follow), if the US vs ISIS muslim children have completely different morals? [/QUOTE] If you want something recent. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1527095[/url] [QUOTE=bitches;50840658] ...or are you saying that all muslims secretly believe in murdering apostates? [/QUOTE] Do you not know that it's literally in the Quran?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840658] ...or are you saying that all muslims secretly believe in murdering apostates?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://quran.com/9/123-133"]It's taught in the Quran[/URL], so while not literally every muslim in the world must absolutely adhere to it, and has no agency whatsoever, that is exactly what's taught, and is exactly what is believed by a large amount of Muslims. [URL]http://quran.com/8/12-22[/URL]

[QUOTE=Naught;50840618]its not really a myth. throughout human history, there have been shitloads of crazy people that follow anything and will kill for it. cults, mobs, religions, you name it. while they've surely been influenced by their religion, you cant honestly say that these people would be hardworking citizens if islam didnt exist. they would have simply followed some other crazy thing.[/QUOTE] This isn't true. You're just claiming it. Am I saying Islam is the only thing that causes these people to behave badly? No. Am I claiming that by removing Islam, we would stop every Muslim from behaving badly? No. I'm saying that Islam has a huge role in it.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50840673]If you want something recent. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1527095[/url] Do you not know that it's literally in the Quran?[/QUOTE] these are not answers to my questions i'm asking you for your personal beliefs do you believe that all muslim children in the US are taught by their parents to rejoice in the murder of apostates? [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840675][URL="http://quran.com/9/123-133"]It's taught in the Quran[/URL], so while not literally every muslim in the world must absolutely adhere to it, and has no agency whatsoever, that is exactly what's taught, and is exactly what is believed by a large amount of Muslims. [URL]http://quran.com/8/12-22[/URL][/QUOTE] so you're saying that muslim parents in the US teach this aspect of the quran to their children, and do not ever raise their children to not follow such practices?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840680]these are not answers to my questions i'm asking you for your personal beliefs do you believe that all muslim children in the US are taught by their parents to rejoice in the murder of apostates?[/QUOTE] Interesting goal post shifting here. I asked you whether you are willing to admit that religious ideology can have a psychological effect on people. [QUOTE=bitches;50840622]do you think it is the [I]beliefs[/I] of a back-woods cult that converts people to their practices? do you really not think it has to do with more complex psychology to do with the specific lives of those involved?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Thlis;50840627]Do you really think that being told every day that apostates should die doesn't have a psychological effect?[/QUOTE]

Islam has a little protective bubble around it wherein you're not allowed to criticize the religion or culture because of a pushback against post-9/11 Islamophobia which [I]was[/I] uncalled for. You shouldn't be labeled as a bad person for criticizing a religion that is so ass backwards in so many ways. If you criticize Christianity and all of it's many, many faults, at most people will just think you're an annoying atheist. If you criticize Islam, you might get beheaded, and will almost definitely be called a racist. I think it's pretty reasonable to point out all the awful teachings of Islam, just like it's reasonable to point out everything wrong with every other religion. The only difference is that criticizing other religions doesn't tend to provoke a violent, literally deadly response in first world nations, whereas criticizing Islam sometimes does.

[QUOTE=Thlis;50840690]Interesting goal post shifting here. I asked you whether you are willing to admit that religious ideology can have a psychological effect on people.[/QUOTE] I answered you. I'm asking you a question that I've detailed the meaning of. There is no shifting in proposing a hypothetical situation that undermines your claims by showing its contradictions. You still won't answer.

Religion is a hell of a drug... If you are going to do something for other reasons then religion, why yell allahu ackbar?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50840679]This isn't true. You're just claiming it. Am I saying Islam is the only thing that causes these people to behave badly? No. Am I claiming that by removing Islam, we would stop every Muslim from behaving badly? No. I'm saying that Islam has a huge role in it.[/QUOTE] not really. if that was the case, there would be a LOT more terrorists. but there arent. the only real problem is the extremely unstable middle east. these, well, basically cults, teach a very strong militaristic-centric islam that calls out for the death of those who dont follow the faith. and I dont have to 'claim it' because I dont know what other evidence I could provide except for the fact that these radical sects have popped up all throughout history under almost every religion and doctrine. blame the teachers, not the book.

[QUOTE=bitches;50840680] so you're saying that muslim parents in the US teach this aspect of the quran to their children, and do not ever raise their children to not follow such practices?[/QUOTE] Absolutely? No. Nothing is absolute. But even more than 1% is deeply wrong. If 1% of christians believed that anyone who practices any other religions must be executed, everyone would go fucking crazy. So how about [URL="http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf"]38% of american muslims[/URL] who agree with ISIS? A "state" who's sole identity being a return to fundamentalist, "extremist" islam? Or how[URL="http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/What-Do-Muslim-Canadians-Want-November-1-2011.pdf"] 62% of muslims in [I]canada[/I] [/URL]want sharia law? A system of law in which you or i would be fucking hung or stoned to death?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840694]I answered you. I'm asking you a question that I've detailed the meaning of. There is no shifting in proposing a hypothetical situation that undermines your claims by showing its contradictions. You still won't answer.[/QUOTE] As far as I can tell you haven't answered my question at all in any of the subsequent posts. Are you willing to admit that prolonged exposure to religious ideology can have a psychological effect on people?

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840702]Absolutely? No. Nothing is absolute. But even more than 1% is deeply wrong. If 1% of christians believed that anyone who practices any other religions must be executed, everyone would go fucking crazy. So how about [URL="http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf"]38% of american muslims[/URL] who agree with ISIS? A "state" who's sole identity being a return to fundamentalist, "extremist" islam?[/QUOTE] So if 1% of a population believed in violence, the world would erupt in violence... but if a supposed 38% believe in violence, and yet america has not erupted into violence (much less 38 times more of it), there is a clear problem to you?

[QUOTE=bitches;50840694]I answered you. I'm asking you a question that I've detailed the meaning of. There is no shifting in proposing a hypothetical situation that undermines your claims by showing its contradictions. You still won't answer.[/QUOTE] Shariah law has a troubling amount of support among Muslims, even in the Western world: [url]http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/[/url] [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/[/url] [url]http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/[/url] [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=bitches;50840710]So if 1% of a population believed in violence, the world would erupt in violence... but if a supposed 38% believe in violence, and yet america has not erupted into violence (much less 38 times more of it), there is a clear problem to you?[/QUOTE] You're misreading his post. If 1% of American Christians believed in executing non-Christians, there would be a massive outrage and cultural debate about Christianity. 38% of American Muslims, according to his poll, agree with ISIS. Nobody said anything about a threshold for eruption of violence, unless I'm missing something.

[QUOTE=bitches;50840710]So if 1% of a population believed in violence, the world would erupt in violence... but if a supposed 38% believe in violence, and yet america has not erupted into violence (much less 38 times more of it), there is a clear problem to you?[/QUOTE] Ok now you're just delusional. I said if 1% of christians wanted that, people would go crazy condemning it. Although i could've been clearer, i'm sure any neutral reader would see that meaning And again, what about [URL="http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/What-Do-Muslim-Canadians-Want-November-1-2011.pdf"]62% of muslims in canada[/URL] want sharia law? A system of law in which you or i would be hung, shot or most likely stoned to death for being gay? I've seen you post, bragging about your horse dildos. Now you can do what you like and i don't care what you get up to, but if you did that in a state that practiced sharia law, you would be tortured to death. I am baffled as to how you're defending Islam

[QUOTE=Thlis;50840709]As far as I can tell you haven't answered my question at all in any of the subsequent posts. Are you willing to admit that prolonged exposure to religious ideology can have a psychological effect on people?[/QUOTE] What I said was that communities impose their beliefs onto their members. This can be a religious ideology, or other ideology. Whatever values these are that a community imprints onto its youth, they can be either constructive or destructive beliefs. They can advocate peace or they can breed violence. I made the point that because [I]some[/I] communities claim to adhere to a religious text and breed violence, yet others claim to adhere to that same text and advocate strongly [I]against[/I] violence, the religion is clearly not the source but rather only the excuse. To prove the point: Do you believe that muslim children [I]worldwide[/I] are taught to kill apostates? You made the verbatim claim that muslims are taught to kill apostates and that therefore their religion caused attacks such as the one of this news thread. How can you explain the vast proportion difference between radical beliefs in ISIS territory versus comparative absence of violence demonstrated by american muslims that condemn violence? [editline]6th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;50840729]Ok now you're just delusional. I said if 1% of christians wanted that, people would go crazy condemning it. Although i could've been clearer, i'm sure any neutral reader would see that meaning And again, what about [URL="http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/files/pdf/What-Do-Muslim-Canadians-Want-November-1-2011.pdf"]62% of muslims in canada[/URL] want sharia law? A system of law in which you or i would be hung, shot or most likely stoned to death for being gay? I've seen you post, bragging about your horse dildos. Now you can do what you like and i don't care what you get up to, but if you did that in a state that practiced sharia law, you would be tortured to death. I am baffled as to how you're defending Islam[/QUOTE] I'm not defending the religion at all. I can say this more directly: I dislike the religion of Islam. That doesn't mean that I believe all those who claim to follow Islam believe in murdering me, or any other forms of violence against supposed infidels. It is very clear that community beliefs have less to do with religion and more to do with regional stability.

[QUOTE=bitches;50840735]To prove the point: Do you believe that muslim children [I]worldwide[/I] are taught to kill apostates? You made the verbatim claim that muslims are taught to kill apostates and that therefore their religion caused attacks such as the one of this news thread. How can you explain the vast proportion difference between radical beliefs in ISIS territory versus comparative absence of violence demonstrated by american muslims that condemn violence?[/QUOTE] That is irrelevant to the question. Quite frankly it's become apparent that arguing with you is pointless since the following post: [QUOTE=bitches;50840658]yes ideology is a set of words actions are taught by people who use words as excuses and mere justification to commit their crimes [/QUOTE] This is frankly the most absurd argument I have seen. By this logic the Nazi ideology should not be criticized, just the people that practice it. Apparently a lot of people just suddenly had the same idea at the same time and it had absolutely nothing to do with a certain ideology popping up the same time as well.