A Good Day to Die Hard gets shitty reviews - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TheKritter71;39586131]Good bye my dear John McClane, it has been a long time that our friendship has grown. But I am sorry but....its over.[/QUOTE]he is not on this forum, he wont read it

Actually, the ME3 thing is probably a good example of what's going on here [img]http://i.imgur.com/BNYTmiw.png[/img] These sorts of weightings generally don't occur naturally. This often occurs when a large amount of users flock to rate things at the extreme ends of the scale in order to intentionally affect the average. This is probably why you're seeing such a high user score. It's also worth keeping in mind that this movie only just opened today.

[QUOTE=TomZa;39586862]wait what sucker punch is great[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYGiKDpjwfE[/media]

Films always start off with a high score on imdb etc, then as more people come in and the hype calms down they realise it wasn't as amazing as they thought and see it for what it actually is. For instance when Taken 2 came out saw it at the high 8's for about a week, and now it's sitting on 6.2/10. It takes a while and a lot of reviews to get an accurate idea.

I pay attention to the user reviews instead of the critic reviews. The only time I look at critic reviews is when I want to read really bad puns.

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;39587317][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYGiKDpjwfE[/media][/QUOTE] Did you seriously link anita sarkeesan as a counter argument? Even if she was a credible source, that video itself is so insanely retarded it's mind boggling.

No you're wrong here's a youtube video to prove it

How is this surprising? Its by the guy that made the Max Payne movie and The Omen remake. I could've told you it was gonna be awful the moment they first announced the director. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] how did he even get this movie after making such bad films, i don't understand hollywood.

[QUOTE=legolover122;39587842]Did you seriously link anita sarkeesan as a counter argument? Even if she was a credible source, that video itself is so insanely retarded it's mind boggling.[/QUOTE] are you gonna actually provide genuine criticisms here or are you just gonna throw words around because you don't like her like seriously what is the point of this post besides showing how irrationally mad you are that she happens to exist and makes videos

[QUOTE=legolover122;39587842]Even if she was a credible source, that video itself is so insanely retarded it's mind boggling.[/QUOTE] Why? I thought it made pretty good sense.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39587890]are you gonna actually provide genuine criticisms here or are you just gonna throw words around because you don't like her[/QUOTE] If we are going to use youtube videos as counter arguments, heres a couple of my own. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI[/media] In the video linked before, she says "Sneiders nothing but a parasite trying to leech off the gains of feminism to satisfy his own personal pornographic adolescent boy fantasies which is another example of the male driven backlash against women" That really comes off as unprofessional, and the fact that they form a team together and attempt to escape and get pretty far into it is cancelled by the fact that they wear miniskirts and pigtails (of which in the movie is because they were forced into some sort of prostitution gig thing, not because "LETS HAVE TITS BECAUSE"). She then claims to speak for all women on multiple occasion in the video, which she definitely doesn't. That's my beef with that video in particular.

[QUOTE=Chrille;39587943]Why? I thought it made pretty good sense.[/QUOTE] It's not even like it's a controversial opinion - several critics blasted it for being misogynistic garbage.

Her logic goes "well if it's got women in miniskirts MISOGINISTIC MAN OPPRESSING WOMEN STEAMING PILE OF IMMATURE BOY FANTASY SHIT." Then she goes "well it's still misoginistic even if they are standing up for themselves because thats also what male protagonists in action movies do as well" It's fucking retarded. Her entire logic system makes no sense at all. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Like I seriously have no idea what she wants. Female characters that have anything done for them in the slightest are considered misoginistic under her views, but you get a character like the female characters in GOW3 who handle themselves just fine as soldiers would also fall under misoginistic because "well they are just doing what men do." It confuses me to death and it kinda bugs me because I can't figure out what a good female character would be under her views unless it was completely reverse in the 17th century where females rule everything and males are being oppressed, which then is no longer feminism and is something else entirely.

ok we get it you have a stupidly passionate hatred of anita are you done now

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39588159]ok we get it you have a stupidly passionate hatred of anita are you done now[/QUOTE] Yeah lets just disregaurd the last two posts and videos I just said completely. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Are you fucking serious? Did you not read my posts? [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Like holy shit you ask for genuine critisism and I give them and you just completely ignore them. I can't even comprehend it. How does something get this fucking retarded? [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Or is it because you can't come up with any counter points? Because that would make A LOT more sense.

[QUOTE=legolover122;39588165]Yeah lets just disregaurd the last two posts and videos I just said completely. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Are you fucking serious? Did you not read my posts? [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Like holy shit you ask for genuine critisism and I give them and you just completely ignore them. I can't even comprehend it. How does something get this fucking retarded?[/QUOTE] most of what you wrote is just irrelevant ranting dude and are you seriously justifying the overt sexualisation of the characters because the story said they were in a prostitution ring you realise this was all written by a man, right? they aimed for "female empowerment" but it's all male-focused sexualisation if you're a man and you're trying to write strong female characters, you're kinda doing it wrong if you have to make them scantily clad and sexualised

[QUOTE=legolover122;39587983]Her logic goes "well if it's got women in miniskirts MISOGINISTIC MAN OPPRESSING WOMEN STEAMING PILE OF IMMATURE BOY FANTASY SHIT." Then she goes "well it's still misoginistic even if they are standing up for themselves because thats also what male protagonists in action movies do as well" It's fucking retarded. Her entire logic system makes no sense at all. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Like I seriously have no idea what she wants. Female characters that have anything done for them in the slightest are considered misoginistic under her views, but you get a character like the female characters in GOW3 who handle themselves just fine as soldiers would also fall under misoginistic because "well they are just doing what men do." It confuses me to death and it kinda bugs me because I can't figure out what a good female character would be under her views unless it was completely reverse in the 17th century where females rule everything and males are being oppressed, which then is no longer feminism and is something else entirely.[/QUOTE] It's not because they're doing 'what male characters do' it's because it's done in a way that objectifies and degrades the character. In Sucker Punch's case, the characters are practically walking sexual fantasies of a 15 year old who happen to fight monsters and shit. It's almost as if you're missing the point of what she's saying on purpose.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39588250]most of what you wrote is just irrelevant ranting dude and are you seriously justifying the overt sexualisation of the characters because the story said they were in a prostitution ring you realise this was all written by a man, right? they aimed for "female empowerment" but it's all male-focused sexualisation[/QUOTE] The entire reason they were in those outfits was because of the prostitution ring. And the four characters said "fuck that" and carried out the vast majority of a plan to escape. Yeah. They were in the miniskirts for like half an hour. That makes the entire movie misogynistic? And I posted why I disliked sarkeesian just like you asked. Oh shit wait that irrelevant ranting NEVERMIND. And what's the fact that men wrote it had anything to do with it? You point out it was written by a man. Are you seriously implying that it wouldn't have been misoginistic if it was written by a woman? My main problem is that she sees miniskirts and goes MISOGINY HEEEEEEELLLPPP without actually looking at the circumstances and what the characters do to fix the miniskirt problem among other issues. The story isn't TITS WHILE DOING STUFF it's they don't like the situation they are in so they get the fuck out. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say sucker punch is a movie that should be look to for an example of female empowerment. Many other forms of media do it much better. What I am trying to say though is that calling it "a misogynistic steaming pile of shit" is going far as well.

[QUOTE=legolover122;39588290]The entire reason they were in those outfits was because of the prostitution ring. And the four characters said "fuck that" and carried out the vast majority of a plan to escape. Yeah. They were in the miniskirts for like half an hour. That makes the entire movie misogynistic? [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] And I posted why I disliked sarkeesian just like you asked. Oh shit wait that irrelevant ranting NEVERMIND. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] And what's the fact that men wrote it had anything to do with it? My main problem is that she sees miniskirts and goes MISOGINY HEEEEEEELLLPPP without actually looking at the circumstances and what the characters do to fix the miniskirt problem among other issues. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] You point out it was written by a man. Are you seriously implying that it wouldn't have been misoginistic if it was written by a woman?[/QUOTE] holy shit dude you need to calm down It's pretty clear it was made by a man, is it not? It's obviously meant to target men/boys. I'm not saying a woman couldn't make this, but it would be highly unlikely because women, you know, tend to not like being objectified. And you're missing my point about the circumstances. The circumstances are completely fictitious. They didn't *have* to write it this way. They didn't *have* to sexualise all the characters. But they did, for sex appeal.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39588447] And you're missing my point about the circumstances. The circumstances are completely fictitious. They didn't *have* to write it this way. They didn't *have* to sexualise all the characters. But they did, for sex appeal. It's blatant objectification.[/QUOTE] I'm not really saying that though. Sarkeesian says it's ultra hyper giga misogynistic because they are wearing miniskirts while standing up for themselves and attemtpting to escape is misogynistic. I say bullshit. Also... [QUOTE=legolover122;39588290] Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say sucker punch is a movie that should be look to for an example of female empowerment. Many other forms of media do it much better. What I am trying to say though is that calling it "a misogynistic steaming pile of shit" is going far as well.[/QUOTE] [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Yes. This movie isn't the best portrayal of women. I'm not saying it is. What I am saying is that just because the characters happen to be wearing miniskirts while standing up for themselves is misogynistic because of the miniskirts it pretty fucking retarded.

I've yet to see it but i still have hopes that's it's enjoyable. It's not diehard, die hard hasn't been diehard since diehard 2 honestly. Diehard 3 was amazing but it wasn't diehard, it was 3 that started it down this path of generic action movie. I still enjoyed 4 though but that's because i long ago accepted that diehard isn't diehard anymore.

Movie critiques always seem to rate things according to artistic measure. Whereas the rest of the population seems fine with explosions and action, which I shamelessly am okay with. As long as it's entertaining, I couldn't care less about the artistic merits (or lack thereof)

[QUOTE=legolover122;39588536]I'm not really saying that though. Sarkeesian says it's ultra hyper giga misogynistic because they are wearing miniskirts while standing up for themselves and attemtpting to escape is misogynistic. I say bullshit. Also... [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] Yes. This movie isn't the best portrayal of women. I'm not saying it is. What I am saying is that just because the characters happen to be wearing miniskirts while standing up for themselves is misogynistic because of the miniskirts it pretty fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] She literally never said that. All she said was that taking sexualised women and putting them in the roles of male action heroes is not female empowerment

[QUOTE=squids_eye;39586155]FP doesn't have a taste in movies, it is not a person. There are always arguments in the TV/Movies section over a difference in opinion.[/QUOTE] Most majority of Facepunchers have a shit taste/class in regards to everything. There, better?

Got back from the movie. It was okay. I mean, it was an action movie in every sense of the term, so yeah. It was enjoyable. [editline]14th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gekkosan;39588614]Most majority of Facepunchers have a shit taste/class in regards to everything. There, better?[/QUOTE] No

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39588601]She literally never said that. All she said was that taking sexualised women and putting them in the roles of male action heroes is not female empowerment[/QUOTE] She said that even if they are "armed to the teeth" its negated by the fact that they have pigtails and miniskirts. You did watch the same video I watched right? Because that's essentially what she said. It doesn't matter if they are standing up for themselves, they have pigtails and miniskirts so it get labelled MISOGYNISTIC MAN OPPRESSING WOMEN SEXIST GARBAAAAGE.

[QUOTE=legolover122;39588738]She said that even if they are "armed to the teeth" its negated by the fact that they have pigtails and miniskirts. You did watch the same video I watched right? Because that's essentially what she said. It doesn't matter if they are standing up for themselves, they have pigtails and miniskirts so it get labelled MISOGYNISTIC MAN OPPRESSING WOMEN SEXIST GARBAAAAGE.[/QUOTE] What? How do you even come to these conclusions? You're gonna have to quote where she says this, because I'm not hearing it [editline]15th February 2013[/editline] "Taking scantily-clad, sexploitation style women, and squeezing them into the mold of a male action hero, does not make a strong female character" Direct quote from the video

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39588811]What? How do you even come to these conclusions? You're gonna have to quote where she says this, because I'm not hearing it[/QUOTE] "Women in pigtails and miniskirts and cutsey little names... That's not empowerment, even if they are armed to the teeth" What I get from that is [quote] It doesn't matter if they are standing up for themselves, they have pigtails and miniskirts so it get labelled MISOGYNISTIC MAN OPPRESSING WOMEN SEXIST GARBAAAAGE.[/quote]

[QUOTE=legolover122;39588847]"Women in pigtails and miniskirts and cutsey little names... That's not empowerment, even if they are armed to the teeth" What I get from that is[/QUOTE] lol how do you even get that from that That's not empowerment. Do you actually disagree with that?

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39588870]lol how do you even get that from that That's not empowerment. Do you actually disagree with that?[/QUOTE] Goddamn. I'm not saying it's empowering. I'm saying that, [I]again[/I], that just because miniskirts and pigtails doesn't a ultra hyper giga misogynistic sexist oppressing women movie make.