'So you can't pay $75 in fee? We'll let your house burn with your pets' - Firefighters - Polidicks

We shouldn't have pussy firefighters like this who aren't willing to actually put a fire out since they don't have $75 up front. That's fucking stupid and the firefighters shouldn't even bother getting out of the station if they aren't going to do shit. Local voluntary fire departments all the way.

[QUOTE=kepper;25301592]Stop feeding the troll.[/QUOTE] Don't worry. It's pointless discussing with a wall anyway.

If it was my house burning down with my pets in it and they refused to do anything, I would've told them to go fuck themselves and gone back in after my pets. I'm sure they'd have to do something about that. And even if they didn't, I'm sure they would've at least attempted something at that point.

[QUOTE=TurbisV2;25301155] The only thing your discussion here taught me is that if I see someone choking on a piece of food I shouldn't save him because I wasn't paid to do so. [/QUOTE] You are not bound by law to save someone choking on a piece of food. Its probably a better idea not to if you don't know what you are doing.

[QUOTE=Habsburg;25271628]How does that help anyone?[/QUOTE] Helps more than what the fire department did.

[QUOTE=FHamster;25302894]You are not bound by law to save someone choking on a piece of food. Its probably a better idea not to if you don't know what you are doing.[/QUOTE] In the US there are almost universally some form of "Good Samaritan" law in place that will protect you if you attempt to lend aid to someone in immediate peril and harm them in the process. So if you drag someone out of a burning car and cause paralysis in the process, you will not be held accountable because the alternative was for them to burn. Immediate peril. If a person is choking and nobody present knows what to do, then you should probably lend assistance, to the best of your ability, as choking would fall under immediate peril.

I'm wondering whether or not a certain common sentiment rings true in the hearts and minds of the people who witness this event's existence. I'm also wondering if that sentiment sounds anything at all like this: [b][i]WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING BETTER THAN THIS SHIT![/i][/b]

[QUOTE=TurbisV2;25300988]On a more serious note, would you enjoy being burned to death trapped in a house because your daddy forgot to pay his fire department?[/QUOTE] [b]THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL RESCUE ANYONE IF THEY ARE IN DANGER, REGARDLESS IF THEY HAVE PAID.[/b] You will be billed for the entire costs of your rescue. why does this need to be said [i]so many times[/i]

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;25261609][url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/firefighters-watch-as-hom_n_750272.html[/url] hey, what the fuck man. what the fuck, just water that shit down.[/QUOTE] This is why the american system just sucks. With the scandinavian welfare model, shit like this just wont happen

He is outside of their range, and he pays MUCH lower taxes. The department asked everybody in that area to JUST pay a 75$ fee and they will get fire protection. This guy refused it and demanded it free. One night he light a fire behind his house and was burning leaves, logs, and shit. He catches his house on fire and dosen't call 911 for an hour or so. Get the whole story before you all go on a monster rant about how the FD is evil.

[QUOTE=Ca5bah;25300673]Fyi, legally they are bound to rescue humans so if a person was in there they would've saved them. Their trailer was OUTSIDE of the city. The money is automatically deducted from taxes if you live in the city. If you live in the county (which does not have a FD fyi) you are offered the service for $75 a year. If you don't pay it then too bad kiddos. Same thing as paying for health or automotive insurance. You are free to do whatever you want with yourself or your automobile but don't expect to have help when you knowingly do not buy insurance.[/QUOTE] Uh, when your house is on fire and you stand there watching with the tools to put it out, logic tells you to fucking get in there and do something. [editline]03:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ca5bah;25300933]Cat no, dog yes. On a serious note though, is my fire extinguisher funded by other people who properly pay for OPTIONAL services?[/QUOTE] You are everything wrong with society. [editline]03:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ca5bah;25301141]In the real world legality > morality. Sad but true. You can't do anything about it. I am the devil's advocate, but legally you can't do jackshit.[/QUOTE] A true capitalist here, hope you're proud. [editline]03:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=benit;25305345]He is outside of their range, and he pays MUCH lower taxes. The department asked everybody in that area to JUST pay a 75$ fee and they will get fire protection. This guy refused it and demanded it free. One night he light a fire behind his house and was burning leaves, logs, and shit. He catches his house on fire and [B]dosen't call 911 for an hour or so. [/B] Get the whole story before you all go on a monster rant about how the FD is evil.[/QUOTE] uhh... This didn't happen. [editline]03:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;25301360]This has less to do with capitalism and more to do with small government. Donation run fire departments have generally worked well up until recently when they have had to switch over to fees.[/QUOTE] what do you think small government entails?

[QUOTE=GunFox;25303252]In the US there are almost universally some form of "Good Samaritan" law in place that will protect you if you attempt to lend aid to someone in immediate peril and harm them in the process. So if you drag someone out of a burning car and cause paralysis in the process, you will not be held accountable because the alternative was for them to burn. Immediate peril. If a person is choking and nobody present knows what to do, then you should probably lend assistance, to the best of your ability, as choking would fall under immediate peril.[/QUOTE] Actually, if I remember correctly, that's only the case if you have the training to do whatever you're doing. So if you have a CPR training card or whatever, and you administer CPR on someone, you aren't going to be sued if you break a rib. But if you don't have that card, you gon' be sued.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25305703]what do you think small government entails?[/QUOTE] This isn't capitalism. There is no competition. Volunteer firefighters are still considered a government agency and are not a privatized entity. [QUOTE=Greenen72;25307590]Actually, if I remember correctly, that's only the case if you have the training to do whatever you're doing. So if you have a CPR training card or whatever, and you administer CPR on someone, you aren't going to be sued if you break a rib. But if you don't have that card, you gon' be sued.[/QUOTE] In the US you are almost universally free of duty to assist. Though in some states if you have the proper training, as you said, then you have a duty to assist. I was pointing out that there are still laws on the books or kicking about in common law that prevent you from being prosecuted if you DO choose to help, provided you do so in a reasonable manner.

The firefighters are good for doing this jesus christ guys. If you get in a car accident with no insurance can you call up an insurance company and ask them to fix your fucking car? No you can't, same thing applies here, nothing is free.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25261915]I can understand the law itself, but with health things they don't just fucking let you die because you haven't paid your insurance or something, or even if you can't pay your bills, they make you pay it later.[/QUOTE] oops. ...AMERICA FUCK YEA

[QUOTE=The Pretender;25308285]The firefighters are good for doing this jesus christ guys. If you get in a car accident with no insurance can you call up an insurance company and ask them to fix your fucking car? No you can't, same thing applies here, nothing is free.[/QUOTE] So if some guy is getting the shit kicked out of him, you won't do anything unless he pays you?

[QUOTE=The Pretender;25308285]The firefighters are good for doing this jesus christ guys. If you get in a car accident with no insurance can you call up an insurance company and ask them to fix your fucking car? No you can't, same thing applies here, nothing is free.[/QUOTE] There is a difference between a company made to help reimburse you for your loss and a service dedicated to PREVENTING your loss.

[QUOTE=GunFox;25308256]This isn't capitalism. There is no competition. Volunteer firefighters are still considered a government agency and are not a privatized entity. [/QUOTE] Volunteer firefighters are not government, what the fuck is wrong with you? "Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for a private profit; decisions regarding supply, demand, price, distribution, and investments are made by private actors in the market rather than by central planning by the government; profit is distributed to owners who invest in businesses, and wages are paid to workers employed by businesses." competition? are you fucking joking? competition is a part of it. You have to be insane to think competition is the ONLY factor in capitalism.

Even if they charged him an extra $75 dollars afterwards, it would have been better than this.

I heard on the news that he offered to pay up to 5000 dollars to each firefighter right there if they would just help his pets. I'm disgusted.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;25311289]I heard on the news that he offered to pay up to 5000 dollars to each firefighter right there if they would just help his pets. I'm disgusted.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is wrong with those assholes?!

What absolute fucks.

Oh, How mon-no, little peices of paper and little metal discs can dictate life and death. This is just fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=The Pretender;25308285]The firefighters are good for doing this jesus christ guys. If you get in a car accident with no insurance can you call up an insurance company and ask them to fix your fucking car? No you can't, same thing applies here, nothing is free.[/QUOTE] Its heartless you numbnut. They watered down their neighbours lawn then let the other house burn down. Insurance or not, its heartless. What if people/pets were in that house needing to be saved? Nobody does this shit in the real world, but I guess I thought wrong.

The firefighters were ordered to contain the fire so it couldn't spread, they are legally obliged [U][I][B]NOT[/B][/I][/U] to put out that fire if they do not pay, if they did put out the fire they could be sued by the county as embezzlement of funds iirc Furthermore in order to be a firefighter you have to go through a lot of training, and by a lot I mean [I]a lot[/I], if they put out that fire they could lose their jobs and that training they had would be wasted.

[QUOTE=Akayz;25314559]Its heartless you numbnut. They watered down their neighbours lawn then let the other house burn down. Insurance or not, its heartless. What if people/pets were in that house needing to be saved? Nobody does this shit in the real world, but I guess I thought wrong.[/QUOTE] I believe the OP said that 3 cats and 2 dogs died in the fire. [QUOTE=Killerjc;25321738]The firefighters were ordered to contain the fire so it couldn't spread, they are legally obliged [U][I][B]NOT[/B][/I][/U] to put out that fire if they do not pay, if they did put out the fire they could be sued by the county as embezzlement of funds iirc Furthermore in order to be a firefighter you have to go through a lot of training, and by a lot I mean [I]a lot[/I], if they put out that fire they could lose their jobs and that training they had would be wasted.[/QUOTE] I would've told my boss to go fuck himself if he tried to fire me for doing the right thing.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25309843]Volunteer firefighters are not government, what the fuck is wrong with you? "Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for a private profit; decisions regarding supply, demand, price, distribution, and investments are made by private actors in the market rather than by central planning by the government; profit is distributed to owners who invest in businesses, and wages are paid to workers employed by businesses." competition? are you fucking joking? competition is a part of it. You have to be insane to think competition is the ONLY factor in capitalism.[/QUOTE] Where do you think they get their funding?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;25261636]Don't understand how that's legal that the firefighters didn't do a thing.[/QUOTE] They were a private company, the only way they make money is by charging people $75 per annum/month/whenever, if people think they can just neglect that payment and still expect that service then the company needs to make examples out of people to show everyone else that that's not the case. if they charged only when there was a fire they wouldn't make enough money. don't get me wrong i still think they should of put out that fire, the problem is that the fire service shouldn't be privatised. the government should pay for it and tax everyone for it, like in England. I didn't bother to check what country this happened in but it was probably a third world country,

[QUOTE=Ortzinator;25323410]Where do you think they get their funding?[/QUOTE] The guy offered to pay them triple the fee. I don't think a 75$ lapse will disrupt them. [editline]03:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killerjc;25321738]The firefighters were ordered to contain the fire so it couldn't spread, they are legally obliged [U][I][B]NOT[/B][/I][/U] to put out that fire if they do not pay, if they did put out the fire they could be sued by the county as embezzlement of funds iirc Furthermore in order to be a firefighter you have to go through a lot of training, and by a lot I mean [I]a lot[/I], if they put out that fire they could lose their jobs and that training they had would be wasted.[/QUOTE] So let me get this straight: A firefighter goes through immense training at their own expense, in order to put out fires and save lives. But when a fire is there and lives are at stake, they don't want to waste their training because it was immense and was at their own expense, but in hindsight they took the immense training at their own expense to help people and put out fires, but they refused to... whhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu [img]http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/70/7030eb26a78d83a1f99d81ddcc9593a0904f8e2c_full.jpg[/img]

I didn't a group of firefighters would also be a group of assholes.