Baltimore issued speed camera ticket to motionless car - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;38820575] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQNe4uTxJ38[/media] [/QUOTE] "oof" [editline]13th December 2012[/editline] also dunno why people are arguing about seat belts they save lives "but its uncomfortable!!!" get over it

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38819785]My policy on seat belts differs based on what seat I'm in and certain conditions. If I'm in either front seat, I always wear it no matter what. If I'm in the back, I won't wear it unless the weather is bad or there are notable traffic issues. And its nice because occupants in the back do not have to wear them in this state so no legal issues.[/QUOTE] Sure no legal issues, but what happens when you can't live with yourself after you crush whoever you were sitting behind?

My father once got pulled over for going 50mph in a 35 zone. The road was right next to an expressway. The slimeball cop told him 50, but when my dad asked to see the radar gun it read 78mpg. The cop just lied and tried to get an easy ticket. It was thrown out in court at least.

You can't get these if you cover your face

In Australia, we get charged on levels depending on how much we go over the speed limit. My friend was going 40km/h over the 90km/h speed limit (130km/h), which warrented a $513 fine. If he went 1km/h faster then that, he would have exceeded the 30km/h - 40km/h band, and the find would have doubled and he would have lost his license. I cannot believe you guys are only getting charged $40 and such for fines.

ITT: people who have never driven [editline]13th December 2012[/editline] Judging people who have

[QUOTE=Jedi_Rayne;38818521]He went -25mph over the speed limit, not 13 over. So he won't owe anything. Also, if you don't want to pay the ticket, don't speed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JXZ;38818730]ITT: we discuss how much we can break a law in certain areas without getting caught[/QUOTE] I remember when I first started driving at the age of 15. I was so convinced that I was never going to get a speeding ticket, ever. My mother told me "You can go 45 [in this 40]". I thought I was so clever for saying "Alternatively, I can [I]not[/I] break the law." And then I realized that the speed limits are utter shit and you can obviously drive significantly faster safely. To pretend that speeding is some unforgivable offense is preposterous, especially when you imply that this is the case because it's illegal (JXZ).

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;38819177]Except not wearing a seatbelt can be dangerous to not just yourself but other drivers as well. If you get launched onto the roadway it can cause other accidents due to people trying to react to this hunk of meat laying in the road. Not to mention if you have anyone else in your car you become the risk of becoming a deadly projectile that can kill or seriously injur any other passenger. So just buckle up, it doesn't resally fucking inconvenience anyone in any way.[/QUOTE] Give one source where this has happened and someone was injured from the projectile body. And if this is the case, why are motorcycles not banned? Also, if someone in your car does not wear a seatbelt, and you want them to, you don't need a law to change that: Just tell them to put a seatbelt on or get out. Pretty simple. The law comes from Insurance companies lobbying (You know, that thing you all claim to hate), not from the government trying to "save lives" or because your body "can become a projectile". Drivers dying and getting injured because they didn't wear a seatbelt costs insurance companies tons of money.

[QUOTE=meppers;38818463]wow he went 13 over and he had to pay JUST $40 wtf i got pulled over for doing 51 in a 40 once and my ticket was $150[/QUOTE] I got pulled over for doing 46 in a 35 once and the ticket was $390 fuck everything

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38822593]Give one source where this has happened and someone was injured from the projectile body. And if this is the case, why are motorcycles not banned? Also, if someone in your car does not wear a seatbelt, and you want them to, you don't need a law to change that: Just tell them to put a seatbelt on or get out. Pretty simple. The law comes from Insurance companies lobbying (You know, that thing you all claim to hate), not from the government trying to "save lives" or because your body "can become a projectile". Drivers dying and getting injured because they didn't wear a seatbelt costs insurance companies tons of money.[/QUOTE] Did you not see the videos above? Or how about the classic 40 mile an hour offset collision where most cars choke. The front firewall on a lot of older cars on the left folds in and deals damage to the legs. Having someone slam in the back of the driver can cause the driver to impact the steering column as the front seat collapses which can cause all manner of things to happen. Sometimes its a smashed face, concussions, and sometimes its a collapsed rib cage. Varies from car to car, collision to collision, the physical proportions of the people involved, and how fat they are. As to motorcycles, I don't actually know [QUOTE=Elecbullet;38822588]I remember when I first started driving at the age of 15. I was so convinced that I was never going to get a speeding ticket, ever. My mother told me "You can go 45 [in this 40]". I thought I was so clever for saying "Alternatively, I can [I]not[/I] break the law." And then I realized that the speed limits are utter shit and you can obviously drive significantly faster safely. To pretend that speeding is some unforgivable offense is preposterous, especially when you imply that this is the case because it's illegal (JXZ).[/QUOTE] Eh. Speeding is fine within reason. Doing 90mph on the highway? You're pushing your luck if you have a malfunction of some sort, but highways are designed to give you a decent amount of room to slow down in, even if you go off the road. A bad idea, but not suicidal in most cases. Doing 50 in a 25 zone? The reason those zones are 25 is usually because they have pedestrians in large volumes. Almost universally a bad idea, and you don't have large areas to decelerate in. Any impact has a good chance of being an abrupt one as opposed to riding along a jersey barrier for 600 feet. As long as you aren't tailgating (relative to your speed), and have a decent line of site within your stopping distance, you aren't being excessively dangerous. If you speed in areas where there's a high probability of random shit coming out onto the street (residential areas with children and the like), or speed excessively on windy back roads where your vision is frequently limited to less than 200 feet, your being a colossal dumbass.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38822783]Did you not see the videos above? Or how about the classic 40 mile an hour offset collision where most cars choke. The front firewall on a lot of older cars on the left folds in and deals damage to the legs. Having someone slam in the back of the driver can cause the driver to impact the steering column as the front set collapses which can cause all manner of things to happen. Sometimes its a smashed face, concussions, and sometimes its a collapsed rib cage. Varies from car to car, collision to collision, the physical proportions of the people involved, and how fat they are. As to motorcycles, I don't actually know[/QUOTE] Okay? Sooo, tell the person to get out of your car if they aren't going to wear a seatbelt, and then wear one on your own. Do you need a law to do that? If you are the driver, you are in control of the situation inside of your vehicle. If you are riding with someone who isn't going to wear their seatbelt when they are behind you, then you can choose to not travel in the same vehicle with them. I'm very well aware of what can happen in a car. I have yet to be given a source to this "body projectile" leaving a vehicle and hurting someone on the street, yet it is the most common argument.

I like the area I'm in. The cops let everyone drive ~10 miles over the speed limit, and really only pull you over if you're being reckless. Basically, if everyone is going 10 over, they don't care. They only care if you're the only one going ridiculously fast.

[QUOTE=RobbL;38819133]Not wearing seatbelts won't get you high[/QUOTE] You do get ready high when you fly out of a windshield.

I wasn't referring to the body leaving the vehicle stuff. I mean, I can see how it would happen, but the kinetic energy of a person moving at (probably significantly) less speed than the vehicle initially was, and with a mass of 10% of the vehicle at most is ludicrously small in comparison. Injuries from getting hit by someone like that would be relatively minor in comparison. There was a video or two in that Russian driving 2012 montage posted the other day where someone got hit and ejected from the vehicle, but that was mostly exposing themselves to self injury.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38822593]Give one source where this has happened and someone was injured from the projectile body. And if this is the case, why are motorcycles not banned? Also, if someone in your car does not wear a seatbelt, and you want them to, you don't need a law to change that: Just tell them to put a seatbelt on or get out. Pretty simple. The law comes from Insurance companies lobbying (You know, that thing you all claim to hate), not from the government trying to "save lives" or because your body "can become a projectile". Drivers dying and getting injured because they didn't wear a seatbelt costs insurance companies tons of money.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to bother looking up whether or not what you said is true, because you know why someone not wearing their seat belt costs insurance companies more money? Because without something to restrain you to the protected interior of your vehicle, you slam into something and die or at least become horribly injured. You want an instance of a body becoming a projectile? My grandfather has worked in the Arizona DMV for decades. He once saw a crash where a woman didn't wear her seat belt. She was ejected from her car and found over 100 feet into the forest. She was smashed flat against a tree, nearly every bone in her body absolutely shattered, like she was a fucking Looney Toons character. Just imagine if she had hit a car instead of a tree. Seat belts save lives. You would have to be an absolute retard not to wear one.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38822588] And then I realized that the speed limits are utter shit and you can obviously drive significantly faster safely. To pretend that speeding is some unforgivable offense is preposterous, especially when you imply that this is the case because it's illegal (JXZ).[/QUOTE] It may be an arbitrary standard but it's a standard that's agreed upon for the safety of everyone including yourself

I knew it. Speeding cameras are corrupt. Thanks Obama.

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;38822872]I'm not going to bother looking up whether or not what you said is true.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.iihs.org/members.html[/url] Isn't this another example of something everyone on here apparently hates? Or is corporate lobbying only okay when it works in your favor? [QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;38822872] You want an instance of a body becoming a projectile? My grandfather has worked in the Arizona DMV for decades. He once saw a crash where a woman didn't wear her seat belt. She was ejected from her car and found over 100 feet into the forest. She was smashed flat against a tree, nearly every bone in her body absolutely shattered, like she was a fucking Looney Toons character. Just imagine if she had hit a car instead of a tree. Seat belts save lives. You would have to be an absolute retard not to wear one.[/QUOTE] Okay, then I'll ask the second part of my question again: If this is such a problem, why are motorcycles still legal? They have no seatbelts, and the rider can be ejected just as easily. And I asked for an instance where someone was injured by the body. You gave me an anecdote and a "what if" scenario. We should ban guns, motorcycles, alcohol, and junk food because they all have potential to harm someone or ourselves. Right? I'm not debating that seatbelts save lives, and I wear one all the time. I don't wear it because of the law, I wear it because I want to be safe. I just don't think it needs to be a law. Any responsible driver will require everyone in their vehicle to wear their seatbelt, or to get out. Just because something is "retarded" doesn't mean there needs to be a law making it illegal. There are many things that are "retarded" in this country that people still do legally.a

[QUOTE=meppers;38818463]wow he went 13 over and he had to pay JUST $40 wtf i got pulled over for doing 51 in a 40 once and my ticket was $150[/QUOTE] I would have my car crushed here for that kind of speeding.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38822588]I remember when I first started driving at the age of 15. I was so convinced that I was never going to get a speeding ticket, ever. My mother told me "You can go 45 [in this 40]". I thought I was so clever for saying "Alternatively, I can [I]not[/I] break the law." And then I realized that the speed limits are utter shit and you can obviously drive significantly faster safely. To pretend that speeding is some unforgivable offense is preposterous, especially when you imply that this is the case because it's illegal (JXZ).[/QUOTE] yeah but the problem is people will just stick to the speed limit no matter what, instead of driving to the conditions. thats why they are so low

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38822783]Eh. Speeding is fine within reason. Doing 90mph on the highway? You're pushing your luck if you have a malfunction of some sort, but highways are designed to give you a decent amount of room to slow down in, even if you go off the road. A bad idea, but not suicidal in most cases. Doing 50 in a 25 zone? The reason those zones are 25 is usually because they have pedestrians in large volumes. Almost universally a bad idea, and you don't have large areas to decelerate in. Any impact has a good chance of being an abrupt one as opposed to riding along a jersey barrier for 600 feet. As long as you aren't tailgating (relative to your speed), and have a decent line of site within your stopping distance, you aren't being excessively dangerous. If you speed in areas where there's a high probability of random shit coming out onto the street (residential areas with children and the like), or speed excessively on windy back roads where your vision is frequently limited to less than 200 feet, your being a colossal dumbass.[/QUOTE] Within reason, yes. I have my own limits.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38823012][url]http://www.iihs.org/members.html[/url] Isn't this another example of something everyone on here apparently hates? Or is corporate lobbying only okay when it works in your favor?[/quote] Lobbying itself is not evil, it's how it's used. I like it when companies urge the government to save all of our lives and all of our money. I don't like it when they want to put an oil pipeline through a protected natural area or patent naturally-occurring genes to sell tests and poisons. [quote]Okay, then I'll ask the second part of my question again: If this is such a problem, why are motorcycles still legal? They have no seatbelts, and the rider can be ejected just as easily.[/quote] Motorcycles are an entirely different beast when it comes to safety. In fact, it's better to be be ejected in some cases. Cars crumple, restrain you in the protective frame, and deploy what can loosely be called cushions to bleed energy and protect the driver. Motorcycles don't have this. Instead the safety gear is mostly on the rider. The equivalent to driving without a seat belt would be riding without a helmet or protective clothing. The [url=http://www.cdc.gov/features/motorcyclesafety/]CDC's page on motorcycle safety[/url] is pretty much exclusively arguments to pass a mandatory helmet law. The reason they want this law is the same as why people clamored for mandatory seat belt laws. Because they save lives, and in doing so save families and money and so much more. That is more than enough reason to ticket someone for recklessly risking their and other peoples' lives, and if you disagree, you clearly have not thought this through. People don't always do what's safe and sane. This is the government we make protecting us, even if it is from ourselves. It's what it's there for. [quote]And I asked for an instance where someone was injured by the body. You gave me an anecdote and a "what if" scenario. We should ban guns, motorcycles, alcohol, and junk food because they all have potential to harm someone or ourselves. Right?[/quote] First off, don't put words in my mouth. Secondly, somebody has already posted a video in this thread of unrestrained passengers horribly injuring others in a simulation. Not to mention the whole burden of proof you loaded on me. [quote]I'm not debating that seatbelts save lives, and I wear one all the time. I don't wear it because of the law, I wear it because I want to be safe. I just don't think it needs to be a law. Any responsible driver will require everyone in their vehicle to wear their seatbelt, or to get out. Just because something is "retarded" doesn't mean there needs to be a law making it illegal. There are many things that are "retarded" in this country that people still do legally.a[/QUOTE] The fact that people do other stupid unsafe things that endanger others all the time does not mean that it's okay for them to do so. Would you rather it were legal to not wear a seat belt and vastly more people died?

[QUOTE=legolover122;38819713]Have fun getting launched either slamming straight into the steering wheel or out the windshield.[/QUOTE] I never said [I]I[/I] didn't wear a seatbelt. It's just my opinion that if you want to be an idiot and die from not wearing a seatbelt, there shouldn't be a law stopping you. [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Corey_Faure;38819623]What kind of comparison is this? Drugs to a safety harness? How do you even think that?[/QUOTE] Easily - both can kill you (not wearing and doing drugs - I'm obviously talking about drugs that [I]can[/I] kill you) and both are regulated by the country when both should be something every person chooses to do.

[QUOTE=Stopper;38823597]I never said [I]I[/I] didn't wear a seatbelt. It's just my opinion that if you want to be an idiot and die from not wearing a seatbelt, there shouldn't be a law stopping you. [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] Easily - both can kill you (not wearing and doing drugs - I'm obviously talking about drugs that [I]can[/I] kill you) and both are regulated by the country when both should be something every person chooses to do.[/QUOTE] Driving is a privilege not a right. If you wish to drive, you must follow all rules. The comparison to drugs is weak.

[QUOTE=Edthefirst;38823721]Driving is a privilege not a right. If you wish to drive, you must follow all rules. The comparison to drugs is weak.[/QUOTE] How come it's a privilege? You drive a car you paid for, on roads you paid for with fuel you paid for. You should be given the right to do anything you want that doesn't endanger other drivers.

[QUOTE=Stopper;38823772]How come it's a privilege? You drive a car you paid for, on roads you paid for with fuel you paid for. You should be given the right to do anything you want that doesn't endanger other drivers.[/QUOTE] It's a multi-ton machine that delivers HUGE amounts of energy. Everything you do endangers others. You think our death rates are bad now? Just imagine what they would be without all of the licensing, strict laws, and random patrols we have.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38822819]I'm very well aware of what can happen in a car. I have yet to be given a source to this "body projectile" leaving a vehicle and hurting someone on the street, yet it is the most common argument.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LClF6rVL-c[/media]

[QUOTE=Stopper;38823772]How come it's a privilege? You drive a car you paid for, on roads you paid for with fuel you paid for. You should be given the right to do anything you want that doesn't endanger other drivers.[/QUOTE] People dying from not wearing seatbelts becomes a burden on the state. Each death on a road would cost thousands - in emergency response, to investigation, to healthcare.

[QUOTE=Stopper;38823772]How come it's a privilege? You drive a car you paid for, on roads you paid for with fuel you paid for. You should be given the right to do anything you want that doesn't endanger other drivers.[/QUOTE] Because you have to be permitted by the state to drive on state roads. You only pay tax on roads if you own a state authorized and licensed vehicle. To be allowed to drive on these roads through a series of exams confirming your capability to operate a vehicle. Being allowed to drive is not an innate human right. I should be allowed to consume whatever I want. If I want to eat pure uranium bricks, then certainly there's no reason why anyone should be legally allowed to stop me. However when I operate a vehicle, I am allowed to do so by a government. If I wish to retain that privilege I must follow all the rules. Wearing a seatbelt has nothing to do with my right to control my own body because I already vacated that right for the privilege to operate a vehicle. [editline]14th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=T2L_Goose;38822819] I'm very well aware of what can happen in a car. I have yet to be given a source to this "body projectile" leaving a vehicle and hurting someone on the street, yet it is the most common argument.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsmpnV4ckSg[/media]

Funny, I was just watching The Wire