The beauty contest winner making Japan look at itself - Polidicks

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47888054]This is based on what experience?[/QUOTE] Wait your ignoring the poster on the previous page who posted an example of someone committing suicide over this hafu shit, don't listen to FFStudios. [editline]5th June 2015[/editline] Or are you purposely ignoring it because that was a good counter to what you said about this hafu thing not being an issue?

I know this is a bit late but language is a really interesting topic for me so I'd like to elaborate. The Oxford definition for race allows for an ethnic group to be addressed as a race. [quote]A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group:[/quote] That being said, I think the word race, especially in America, when used in a colloquial sense has become sensitive to use in that context; race is a very vague way to address an ethnic group. VietnameseCat was still being an idiot.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47882636]You geniuses on SH love to spout about how 'incredibly xenophobic' Japan is without ever having lived there or even stepped foot in Narita. Some older Japanese folk might be more xenophobic but you'll be hard pressed to find rampant xenophobia within the younger folk, it's not 1942 anymore. Most Japanese people can give a shit less what country you're from.[/QUOTE] It's funny actually, if the history of anime is any indication, modern Japan is more obsessed with foreigners (mostly Americans) than afraid of them. Seriously, study that shit, from the '60s onward you can see American and French influences seep into the craft up until the early '00s when it peaked in that regard. Modern Japan has a huge boner for the outside world. [editline]6th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Passing;47884558]Alright. Let me explain everything wrong with that. Being born in a country makes you from that country, so if your born in Australia your Australian regardless of your blood however your bloodline would still say that your linage is from this country and that your first generation, second.. etc.[/QUOTE] I knew a white guy that was technically African American, since he was born in South Africa and lived there until he was about 7. Not arguing or agreeing with you or anything, just thought it was a fun fact. I mean technically he's more African American than most black people in the US, and he's probably the whitest person I've ever met in my life.

There's something in her face that I find more....I would say African American or Indian/Pakistani than Japanese. I know it's the classical stereotype, but I would expect a Japanese -I'm not talking about the nationality- to be paler, have more thinned out eyes and stuff, you know. There is some truth in saying she's "not Japanese" as in doesn't belong to the same the ethnic group. The white skin, eyes, stature, stuff However, if she lives in Japan, speaks Japanese, behaves like a Japanese, eats like a Japanese and yadayada stuff, why would you discriminate her? I mean, how retarded can be a society to discriminate people who could be perfectly one of theirs but just because oh look she's got tanned/darker skin OH NO YOU'RE NOT AN EQUAL. EDIT: Wait, can, someone, eh, move from one ethnic group to another? Isn't that impossible, like, you're stuck within the ethnic group you're born in? If your parents are African-American and Catholic, and they move to Israel then you are born, does that make you a "Jewish" or you still are an African American? Of course I don't use the word "Israeli" because I assume, that it's assumed, Israel is mostly composed of those who belong to the Jewish "ethnic group". Ah you know what. Fuck you all xenophobics ethnophobic racists scumbags. Just accept her and call it a day pricks.

When I was in Japan, i never really got the impression that being a half was bad. Most people referred to halfs with a kind of wonder and fascination of their unusual looks. Plenty of half celebrities in tv shows there that gave me the impression that halfs are well loved. Im pretty sure this is a vocal minority.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47888054]This is based on what experience?[/QUOTE] I'm gonna have to ask you the same thing. [quote=you][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/965202/ShareX/2015/06/2015-06-06_08-26-54.png[/img] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/965202/ShareX/2015/06/2015-06-06_08-27-08.png[/img][/quote] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;47883036]Not sure what you mean about this. It says right there in the article that one of her friends at school commited suicide because of how much he was ostracized by other kids.[/QUOTE] I think you're losing credibility.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47891418]I'm gonna have to ask you the same thing. I think you're losing credibility.[/QUOTE] I've lived in Japan for 3 years and my wife is Japanese. Flag dog is no indicator of wordy experience.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47891432]I've lived in Japan for 3 years and my wife is Japanese. Flag dog is no indicator of wordy experience.[/QUOTE] Now that's step one of gaining your credibility back, but do you have as much credibility as someone who's friend committed suicide over this? I understand that the general tone over there isn't as harsh as it is commonly made out to be, but to write it off as something that isn't important to note and as something that doesn't affect anything is ridiculous, especially since you haven't grown up in Japan.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47891440]Now that's step one of gaining your credibility back, but do you have as much credibility as someone who's friend committed suicide over this?[/QUOTE] My wife had felt uncomfortable saying her name when she was in elementary school (Sarah) because her name wasn't Japanese, but she never felt overly gdiscriminated against for it, she just chocks it up to kids being kids. In Okinawa at least, half kids tend to be very successful due to their ability to speak both English and Japanese. My wife has also worked with many famous dignitaries and Japanese politicians and has never felt discriminated against by her employers either, though she is also 100% ethnically Japanese (but half at the same time).

If that's the case, then that's great stuff. Could their possibly be separation based on different parts of Japan? I know that certain races don't get treated the same down in certain parts of our country, and that those parts are usually WAY behind when it comes to culture.

I'm pretty sure if you photoshopped her skin to make he look white she'd look as Japanese as they come. Heck even then it's not really how she looks but how she acts, I bet she sounds REALLY Japanese. As far as I am concerned you are who you choose to be, granted within reason, there are some silly otherkin people who think they are planets given human form but that's besides the point. Heck I have a long and massively complex series of relations yet anyone who met me would say I'm about as British as they come. Grandfather on mothers side was Irish, he and grandmother, who is English got devoiced before my mother was a few years old, died before I ever knew him. I am his spitting image and use all his hand gestures and turns of phrases, I even wear the same aftershave he used to, again, never had met or knew about the guy at that point. Grandfather my Grandmother remarried was an aussie, I feel I have more in common with [I]'streylia[/I] than I do with Ireland. Grandparents on my fathers side are Indian, my biological grandmother I never met, Grandfather remarried an English woman, all in all I have exactly one grandparent who was actually English Biologically speaking. I am proud of my rich and varied lineage, I embrace every aspect of who I am. Yet I am a Briton and anyone who tries to argue otherwise can jolly well FIGHT ME FOR IT!

I understand the sentiment about beauty pageants based on ethnicity. It's an ethnic pride thing. She doesn't look Japanese at all really.

Personally she doesn't look even half Japanese to me.

Being [I]hafu[/I] is a pain in the ass outside of Japan or in it, but I've never encountered straight up racism in Japan based on it. Younger people are just more of a "Wow that's weird!" and move on, but I do agree that there is some truth that they treat you differently because you look slightly different and are also a foreigner culturally...But at the same time they would do this with any 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation Japanese like I am. I think [I]hafu[/I] being more important in Japanese pop culture is helping the attitudes shift significantly with the younger folk. It's really hard for people to see you as things other than they want to, and they tend to "other" people into categories. Back in Canada and the US, people only really see me as an Asian and even if I identified as white, they never really see it that way, so it's not as though Americans aren't used to this either. Especially since I feel that race is a more clearly defined concept here, where race becomes a category for people that you can never really leave. The ironic thing is that Japanese outside of Japan very readily marry with other ethnicities, to the point where in the last US census they found that half of all mixed-ethnicity marriages were between Asians and other ethnic groups (typically whites but not limited to them), and 10% of all Asians in the US are actually mixed-ethnicity as well (This could increase to 35% by 2015, actually, according to their 2005 math).

[QUOTE=itak365;47897858]It's really hard for people to see you as things other than they want to, and they tend to "other" people into categories. Back in Canada and the US, people only really see me as an Asian and even if I identified as white, they never really see it that way, so it's not as though Americans aren't used to this either. Especially since I feel that race is a more clearly defined concept here, where race becomes a category for people that you can never really leave. The ironic thing is that Japanese outside of Japan very readily marry with other ethnicities, to the point where in the last US census they found that half of all mixed-ethnicity marriages were between Asians and other ethnic groups (typically whites but not limited to them), and 10% of all Asians in the US are actually mixed-ethnicity as well (This could increase to 35% by 2015, actually, according to their 2005 math).[/QUOTE] I'm somewhere between a quarter to a third Japanese due to my father being from Hawaii and already somewhat mixed, and I get a good portion of it, but at the same time I get the benefit of the doubt depending on how the day is. I'm about on the line when it comes to white passing, though I was way more Japanese looking when I was a kid. My brother looks a bit more Asian than I do, which is sort of interesting in how things turned out. I've grown out of it, which is I wouldn't want to say is a benefit, but it's something to where I sort of know what it's like to be seen as Asian despite all other heritage, though in my case I can move on from that depending on how I cut my hair, or if I shave or not. When it comes to what I personally identify as, I identify as what I am. Mixed though leaning on White more. I'm grateful that my father raised me with a bit of the Japanese-Hawaiian sort of cultural fixtures and I got to experience both sides growing up. I'm good in self esteem about it and I don't really feel trapped between things because of my mixed heritage. I've read some really fucked up things from people who suffer a lot because of their mixed heritage, some Elliot Rodgers type shit and it's really interesting to read it as someone who went through a lot of it, but had the ability to transcend it all. I think the point where I realized I had passed the threshold for really [I]White passing[/I] was during this college sociology course, I was told a bit to my face that I was of a more privileged race when it came to this discussion on poverty or some shit and how race was associated with it. Never mind the fact that my family was of peasant stock, but it's interesting. What would you call someone whose around a quarter to a third Asian? Hafu wouldn't really cut it, and I laugh a bit at Hapa, fuck that noise. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;47897708]Personally she doesn't look even half Japanese to me.[/QUOTE] That just tends to happen with mixed Black people. They end up looking more Black than they do the other way when things get mixed. A lot of it is due to the darker skin tone. They'll still be a shade of black or brown, where as a mixed European-Asian will still be fair skinned.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47891418] I think you're losing credibility.[/QUOTE] hahaha, what the fuck

[QUOTE=Nikota;47897980]I'm somewhere between a quarter to a third Japanese due to my father being from Hawaii and already somewhat mixed, and I get a good portion of it, but at the same time I get the benefit of the doubt depending on how the day is. I'm about on the line when it comes to white passing, though I was way more Japanese looking when I was a kid. My brother looks a bit more Asian than I do, which is sort of interesting in how things turned out. I've grown out of it, which is I wouldn't want to say is a benefit, but it's something to where I sort of know what it's like to be seen as Asian despite all other heritage, though in my case I can move on from that depending on how I cut my hair, or if I shave or not. When it comes to what I personally identify as, I identify as what I am. Mixed though leaning on White more. I'm grateful that my father raised me with a bit of the Japanese-Hawaiian sort of cultural fixtures and I got to experience both sides growing up. I'm good in self esteem about it and I don't really feel trapped between things because of my mixed heritage. I've read some really fucked up things from people who suffer a lot because of their mixed heritage, some Elliot Rodgers type shit and it's really interesting to read it as someone who went through a lot of it, but had the ability to transcend it all. I think the point where I realized I had passed the threshold for really [I]White passing[/I] was during this college sociology course, I was told a bit to my face that I was of a more privileged race when it came to this discussion on poverty or some shit and how race was associated with it. Never mind the fact that my family was of peasant stock, but it's interesting. What would you call someone whose around a quarter to a third Asian? Hafu wouldn't really cut it, and I laugh a bit at Hapa, fuck that noise.[/QUOTE] I'm half-[I]yonsei[/I] from Toronto but I grew up in northern Kentucky, so I just happened to grow up in a weird place at a weird time, but I definitely think the important thing is to basically embrace all of your heritage. I'm just glad people stopped giving a shit after high school. It also helps that I outright look Latino so I encounter completely different issues down here.

[QUOTE=itak365;47898031]I'm half-[I]yonsei[/I] from Toronto but I grew up in northern Kentucky, so I just happened to grow up in a weird place at a weird time, but I definitely think the important thing is to basically embrace all of your heritage. I'm just glad people stopped giving a shit after high school. [B]It also helps that I outright look Latino so I encounter completely different issues down here.[/B][/QUOTE] Man that's part of it that really fucks with me. That's what I was talking about when I mentioned facial hair. It only seems to happen when I grow out my facial hair.

I've had people literally start talking to me in Spanish when I came back from fieldwork after I didn't shave. On the bright side, I've basically discovered that with the right tan and hairstyle I can become almost any ethnicity.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47891466]My wife had felt uncomfortable saying her name when she was in elementary school (Sarah) because her name wasn't Japanese, but she never felt overly gdiscriminated against for it, she just chocks it up to kids being kids. In Okinawa at least, half kids tend to be very successful due to their ability to speak both English and Japanese. My wife has also worked with many famous dignitaries and Japanese politicians and has never felt discriminated against by her employers either, though [B]she is also 100% ethnically Japanese (but half at the same time)[/B].[/QUOTE] u wot m8

[QUOTE=Antlerp;47898480]u wot m8[/QUOTE] Guy's conflating civic and ethnic. She's 100 percent civically Japanese, but half ethnically.

[QUOTE=Nikota;47898526]Guy's conflating civic and ethnic. She's 100 percent civically Japanese, but half ethnically.[/QUOTE] No she's actually 100% percent ethnically, but her father is second generation Japanese from America and her mother is from Okinawa. She's not truly 'half' but her name is English, her father was American, she's dual citizen, and she grew up around the Military so she considers herself half.

I'm ethnically half-Thai and half-Swedish but I was born and raised in Sweden and I don't speak a word of thai (My dad who is ethnically Thai grew up in the USA as well so culturally I'm more half-American than half-Thai) I consider myself Swedish Is that wrong?

I think it's fine. You said yourself that you don't really speak any Thai, so you're likely closer to being Swedish assuming that you speak mostly Swedish and also considering that you live in Sweden.

[QUOTE=Eric95;47904026]I'm ethnically half-Thai and half-Swedish but I was born and raised in Sweden and I don't speak a word of thai (My dad who is ethnically Thai grew up in the USA as well so culturally I'm more half-American than half-Thai) I consider myself Swedish Is that wrong?[/QUOTE] so your dad is the thai one and the mom is the swede right? [editline]8th June 2015[/editline] wait so this person is 100 percent japanese DNA?

[QUOTE=thisispain;47882792]I'm sure some idiots do think Japanese people go around looking for foreigners to beat up or whatever, but that's really besides the point that there are documented problems with discrimination towards, for an example, people who consider themselves or are considered of Korean descent. It's a problem Japanese social-scientists note themselves, and all societies have issues like these. To isolate the problem down to individual people going around stabbing "gaijin" isn't logical nor is it realistic.[/QUOTE] Is it just me or is it a bit insulting to Japan that so many people boil the issue down to them either being "xenophobic" or not? It's as though people don't believe that Japan can have the same complex issues relating to race, ethnicity, and nationality (not to mention sex, gender, and sexuality) that literally every other country on the planet has.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;47885144]expected this to come from seano12 honestly, I'm a bit disappointed he hasn't showed up in this thread yet[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HHe5smYhto&feature=youtu.be[/url]