• Faith Healing Parents Watch Their Child Die… but Won’t Be Getting Jail Time for It
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This shit is ridiculous. It is a christian belief that the knowledge given to humans, such as the ability to heal with modern medicine, is given from God so we can use it. In other words, 'faith healers' should be illegal, and these people should start taking their kids to real, trained doctors.
This is what happens when we let religion be in charge of our government.
Imo they should get time and quite a fucking long one at that.
How they didn't get slapped with manslaughter is truly beyond me. Murder I can understand being acquitted of but manslaughter?
Facepunch, where everyone should be allowed to be free and do as they believe, unless it's related to a religious practice, then we should take action against their beliefs. Ironic and hypocritical much. I'm not saying this is right or anything, they're fucking crazy by any standards but it is their freedom to practice their religion, it's kinda in the 1st Amendment. I personally would love to see them face jail time and such but it's their right to practice their religious practice and thus I have to respect that.
[QUOTE=J Paul;36286675]I'm probably going to get a lot of disagreement for this, but I believe this is perfectly okay. If these goofy parents want to let their kid die, I'm okay with that. There are enough people, it's very very very easy to make more, it's a known method, so overall, the hit that humanity takes from these goofy religious people just isn't significant. It's just one less white privileged kid, one less person to sponge off the amazing comfort provided by our technology and our exploitation of third world labor. And I know he's privileged because first off he lives in America, it's amazing here compared to a lot of other places, and second, denying abundantly available medical care is something that only goofy ass privileged white people do when they get to a certain point in their life where they feel the need to seek alternative lifestyles.[/QUOTE] I think that you should probably kill yourself.
Pfft. That's what they get for not using blue crystals.
Ugh, my mom is all into this metaphysical 6th sense bullshit and she constantly tries to "heal" people, it's both annoying and creepy She refused to take my brother (who has asthma) to the doctor and get an inhaler for weeks until he told my dad who had to get it behind her back
[QUOTE=draugur;36287027]Facepunch, where everyone should be allowed to be free and do as they believe, unless it's related to a religious practice, then we should take action against their beliefs. Ironic and hypocritical much. I'm not saying this is right or anything, they're fucking crazy by any standards but it is their freedom to practice their religion, it's kinda in the 1st Amendment.[/QUOTE] You might have freedom of religion but if you think that excuses killing your kids, you are fucked in the head.
[QUOTE=J Paul;36286806]Look, I think people are interpreting my stance incorrectly. What I'm saying is that just because you disagree with it on a moral standpoint, how does that give you any right to interfere? I mean, if they honestly believe that what they're doing is the best thing they could do for their kid, then all you can do is offer them advice and hope they listen, and I'm sure lots of people did, but other than that, they had the kid, ultimately, it's legally their responsibility as to what to do with him. Well no, I'm just disagreeing with the people saying action should be taken. Whether or not I want the kid to die, which I don't, has nothing to do with it, it's just not my place to say what should or shouldn't be in that situation, it's not my kid.[/QUOTE] So people's choice > other people's life right so if I were to go to murder you, you'd be okay with that because it's my choice?
I agree that there's an element of neglect and a lack of accepting personal responsibility on the part of the parents here, but I just don't see how you guys feel so strongly that people have a right to life. I just don't feel that entitled after having found out about how other people live in countries where there are actual problems to worry about. I mean sometimes you get dealt a shitty hand, this guy happened to get paired up with the silliest christians as parents, and yeah it's an awful circumstance, but I just don't feel like it's anyone's right or duty to tell them how to live their lives. Maybe I'm just against governmental intervention, that's what turns me off. It's like when people do harmful things during pregnancies, like going out and getting fucked up. Yeah it's awful, I hate to see it, makes me feel bad, but who the fuck am I to tell her what she should or should not be doing? It's her life and her child, not mine. And I certainly don't want the government stepping in either, because if they can force her to do this that and the other, then by all means they can certainly force me to live under that same umbrella of control, and I don't want that. I'd much rather have the freedom to harm myself and the things I control, than to have someone be able to legally tell me how to run shit. [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36287094]So people's choice > other people's life right so if I were to go to murder you, you'd be okay with that because it's my choice?[/QUOTE] Absolutely, if you make that decision and you can make it happen and you decide that you're fine with dealing with the potential legal consequences, by all means, give it a shot.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36287082]Yeah, that freedom matters little to me when you end up killing your kids.[/QUOTE] Well the kid should have had his say in the matter, as it's his human right to believe what he wants as well, the real issue is religious oppression in the home, had the kid consented to this crackpot medicine, it'd all be fine because he essentially chose to die. The problem lies in the fact that as a minor he can't make those choices because his parents can oppress him in any manor they see fit. So the parents should get child neglect and abuse charges, but nothing more than that really as it's their right to practice their religion, forcing it on the kid is the problem, not the fact that as a result of this practice he died, because it would have been his choice if the parents hadn't forced it on him.
[QUOTE=J Paul;36287105]I agree that there's an element of neglect and a lack of accepting personal responsibility on the part of the parents here, but I just don't see how you guys feel so strongly that people have a right to life. I just don't feel that entitled after having found out about how other people live in countries where there are actual problems to worry about. I mean sometimes you get dealt a shitty hand, this guy happened to get paired up with the silliest christians as parents, and yeah it's an awful circumstance, but I just don't feel like it's anyone's right or duty to tell them how to live their lives.[/QUOTE] What part of 'they did nothing and got their kid killed' do you not understand? Don't tell me you're really that dense.
[QUOTE=draugur;36287027]Facepunch, where everyone should be allowed to be free and do as they believe, unless it's related to a religious practice, then we should take action against their beliefs. Ironic and hypocritical much. I'm not saying this is right or anything, they're fucking crazy by any standards but it is their freedom to practice their religion, it's kinda in the 1st Amendment. I personally would love to see them face jail time and such but it's their right to practice their religious practice and thus I have to respect that.[/QUOTE] No, you don't have to respect that "right". When you respect that right, as we can plainly see from this event and countless others like it, [I]kids die[/I]. That's as good a reason as any to draw the line. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;36287114]Well the kid should have had his say in the matter, as it's his human right to believe what he wants as well, the real issue is religious oppression in the home, had the kid consented to this crackpot medicine, it'd all be fine because he essentially chose to die. The problem lies in the fact that as a minor he can't make those choices because his parents can oppress him in any manor they see fit. So the parents should get child neglect and abuse charges, but nothing more than that really as it's their right to practice their religion, forcing it on the kid is the problem, not the fact that as a result of this practice he died, because it would have been his choice if the parents hadn't forced it on him.[/QUOTE] "Hey son, mind if I kill you?" "No, Dad!" "Tough luck, you're a minor and you don't get to choose whether you live or die!" ...
[QUOTE=J Paul;36286675]I'm probably going to get a lot of disagreement for this, but I believe this is perfectly okay. If these goofy parents want to let their kid die, I'm okay with that. There are enough people, it's very very very easy to make more, it's a known method, so overall, the hit that humanity takes from these goofy religious people just isn't significant. It's just one less white privileged kid, one less person to sponge off the amazing comfort provided by our technology and our exploitation of third world labor. And I know he's privileged because first off he lives in America, it's amazing here compared to a lot of other places, and second, denying abundantly available medical care is something that only goofy ass privileged white people do when they get to a certain point in their life where they feel the need to seek alternative lifestyles.[/QUOTE] Yea uh... I cannot describe the sheer idiocy in the above person's post.
[QUOTE=J Paul;36287105]Absolutely, if you make that decision and you can make it happen and you decide that you're fine with dealing with the potential legal consequences, by all means, give it a shot.[/QUOTE] Do you actually believe this or are you just saying it because it lines up with what you said before, and you don't want to have to admit you fucked up?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36287130]No, you don't have to respect that "right". When you respect that right, as we can plainly see from this event and countless others like it, [I]kids die[/I]. That's as good a reason as any to draw the line.[/QUOTE] Well you can't just go banning religions, that's just totalitarian, which is wrong. You have to give people the ability to enable themselves, not keep them from making decisions. Outright saying this practice should be banned seems like a good idea at first, because shit look it got the kid and many other people killed yes, but it's their CHOICE. The problem lies with the kid NOT BEING ABLE to make these CHOICES. Instead we should create laws that allow the children to make decisions on their religious practices, not have them be forced into them by their parents. The issue is rights for minors, not the fact that the religious practice killed the kid. So by that, the parents should have severe child neglect and abuse charges.
It seems to me that in the country of the so called free people, common sense is totally absent.
[QUOTE=draugur;36287185]Well you can't just go banning religions, that's just totalitarian, which is wrong. You have to give people the ability to enable themselves, not keep them from making decisions. Outright saying this practice should be banned seems like a good idea at first, because shit look it got the kid and many other people killed yes, but it's their CHOICE. The problem lies with the kid NOT BEING ABLE to make these CHOICES. Instead we should create laws that allow the children to make decisions on their religious practices, not have them be forced into them by their parents.[/QUOTE] your post is fucking exhibit A of why democracy is a bad thing Some people are fucking stupid and don't deserve to make decisions.
Did they expect god to save the child or what the fuck
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36287231]your post is fucking exhibit A of why democracy is a bad thing[/QUOTE] Democracy is giving people the right to be stupid as fuck. That's their choice. You can't pick and choose to respect people's rights when it suits your moral beliefs. If it ends in their death, well then it's whatever, they don't belong in the gene pool. Honestly, giving people a very broad sense of freedom, just keep laws to keep people from oppressing that freedom, and you'd have quite a few problems solved. A lot of problems are a result of not having laws to end the oppression of people's freedom. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=_Chewgum;36287238]Did they expect god to save the child or what the fuck[/QUOTE] Yep, as crazy as it sounds, that's exactly what they expected. It's the idea that if they simply pray hard enough, God will just magically say, "Derp all better!" and BAM, little Timmy is all better. It's a load of crap to me, but that's my opinion so whatever.
freedom of choice ends when someone gets hurt or killed because of your choice the parents should be charged
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;36287295]freedom of choice ends when someone gets hurt or killed because of your choice the parents should be charged[/QUOTE] There was no freedom of choice though, the kid had no choice to make, he was forced to die by his parents.
[QUOTE=J Paul;36286675]I'm probably going to get a lot of disagreement for this, but I believe this is perfectly okay. If these goofy parents want to let their kid die, I'm okay with that. There are enough people, it's very very very easy to make more, it's a known method, so overall, the hit that humanity takes from these goofy religious people just isn't significant. It's just one less white privileged kid, one less person to sponge off the amazing comfort provided by our technology and our exploitation of third world labor. And I know he's privileged because first off he lives in America, it's amazing here compared to a lot of other places, and second, denying abundantly available medical care is something that only goofy ass privileged white people do when they get to a certain point in their life where they feel the need to seek alternative lifestyles.[/QUOTE] I'd rather not have people die because of someone else's stupid beliefs that could easily be avoidable. This is a very good case of negligence from the parent's side imo. If it was me, I'd tell them to outrightly fuck off and die in a gutter instead of handing my so called sacred life to the will of an imaginary identity.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36287178]Do you actually believe this or are you just saying it because it lines up with what you said before, and you don't want to have to admit you fucked up?[/QUOTE] Is everyone really this entitled? Yes I honestly believe this. I don't think the world owes me shit. If my parents were letting me die, then that's just how shit goes, too bad for me. In order to preserve the freedoms of all the decent, thinking, competent, intellectual people out there, my parents should be allowed to fuck up, I'm sorry if people disagree, but that's how I feel. That's the reason we're allowed to own guns; sure they can do a lot of terrible things, but in the interest of the people who have the capacity to use them correctly, they shouldn't be outlawed outright. I just don't like the idea of a nanny state telling me how to do things. If I'm going to be an asshole and make no effort into being a parent and do a shitty job at it, fine, take my kid and put him with someone who is capable of making proper decisions, but don't force me to live a certain lifestyle. Look, children in other countries die every day of completely bullshit circumstances so that we may be able to purchase inexpensive electronics, so I don't see how anyone who's aware of that thinks this kid's entitled to anything different just because he happens to live in a comfortable first world nation.
[QUOTE=J Paul;36286675]I'm probably going to get a lot of disagreement for this, but I believe this is perfectly okay. If these goofy parents want to let their kid die, I'm okay with that. There are enough people, it's very very very easy to make more, it's a known method, so overall, the hit that humanity takes from these goofy religious people just isn't significant. It's just one less white privileged kid, one less person to sponge off the amazing comfort provided by our technology and our exploitation of third world labor. And I know he's privileged because first off he lives in America, it's amazing here compared to a lot of other places, and second, denying abundantly available medical care is something that only goofy ass privileged white people do when they get to a certain point in their life where they feel the need to seek alternative lifestyles.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck are you talking as if people are nothing but a fucking broken lamp. "Oh its ok if it's dead, we can just make more/get another."
So...... what would Facepunch's reaction be if, instead of not calling a doctor because they were religious and thought they could "pray away" illness, they didn't call because they didn't have health insurance and would never be able to afford the procedure?
ouch, I had appendicitis at the exact same age, it is not pleasant. thankfully it was caught before it burst, I can't imagine what it's like when it gets to a fatal point.
[QUOTE=draugur;36287257]Democracy is giving people the right to be stupid as fuck. That's their choice. You can't pick and choose to respect people's rights when it suits your moral beliefs. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] Yep, as crazy as it sounds, that's exactly what they expected. It's the idea that if they simply pray hard enough, God will just magically say, "Derp all better!" and BAM, little Timmy is all better. It's a load of crap to me, but that's my opinion so whatever.[/QUOTE] You realise not all opinions are equal
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