Paul Ryan confirmed as Mitt Romney's running mate. America's Comeback Team is complete; bend over - Polidicks

The problem is, when a lot of people criticize the ACA other people say "Well it's a start!" or "It's the best we can get!". Why should we be content with a shit bill that is a "start" in some vague, meaningless sense? Why shouldn't we criticize the shit out of this bill and fight for comprehensive healthcare reform?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37183785]The ACA doesn't really fix any of the core problems of our system, but puts a bandaid on it. Then people are saying the bill is a fucking godsend. It's really incredible how people in the USA are so starved for healthcare reform that something as meaningless as the ACA can be viewed as reform.[/QUOTE] Of course it will cost you $300 for that bandaid

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37184308]The problem is, when a lot of people criticize the ACA other people say "Well it's a start!" or "It's the best we can get!". Why should we be content with a shit bill that is a "start" in some vague, meaningless sense? Why shouldn't we criticize the shit out of this bill and fight for comprehensive healthcare reform?[/QUOTE] Because it's the closest we're going to get in our current political climate? If Republicans are that upset at the terms of the ACA and they comprise almost half of the voting nation, we have a long way to go before we can make drastic reforms. Baby steps, man. I'll take what I can get.

the sad thing is that gay republicans are basically forced to support a pretty anti-gay running mate.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;37185123]Because it's the closest we're going to get in our current political climate? If Republicans are that upset at the terms of the ACA and they comprise almost half of the voting nation, we have a long way to go before we can make drastic reforms. Baby steps, man. I'll take what I can get.[/QUOTE] We could have had a public option. However, Obama and the Democrats scrapped that immediately in favor of a mandate that would please corporate interests.

[QUOTE=thisispain;37189148]the sad thing is that gay republicans are basically forced to support a pretty anti-gay running mate.[/QUOTE] If there's any gay republican left at all.

[QUOTE=smurfy;37182255]Paul Ryan has the weirdest face [img]http://puu.sh/QIIv[/img] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/z_kx.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Michael Scott for VP!

He reminds me more of Jim, to be honest.

At least it's not Sarah Palin...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37189183]We could have had a public option. However, Obama and the Democrats scrapped that immediately in favor of a mandate that would please corporate interests.[/QUOTE] Because a public option would be criticized as being "socialist" or "communist" by the GOP. Meanwhile, the country with the highest rated health insurance in the world, Holland, has a free market for health insurance, with a public option. The GOP won't stand for it, though. A public option would only be possible in a Democrat-majority Congress.

Good move on his part. The mainstream Republican party is definitely moving right, fiscally and socially, but mostly fiscally. And we're seeing this out of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. Romney is anything but this. In fact, I'd classify Romney as a moderate capitalist-liberal, and less of a conservative, but being the only other option besides "batshit radical" he appealed to the "casual" moderate Republican majority. Nominating Ryan, one of these guys in the movement of the mainstream party, is a good action for Romney. I'm betting that Ryan and Romney will appeal enough to the mainstream party to pull in a win for the Midwest, which would give them a win this election. My two cents.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;37189823]Because a public option would be criticized as being "socialist" or "communist" by the GOP. Meanwhile, the country with the highest rated health insurance in the world, Holland, has a free market for health insurance, with a public option. The GOP won't stand for it, though. A public option would only be possible in a Democrat-majority Congress.[/QUOTE] No, the support was there for a public option. It could have gone through if the Democrats wanted it to.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;37189823]Because a public option would be criticized as being "socialist" or "communist" by the GOP. Meanwhile, the country with the highest rated health insurance in the world, Holland, has a free market for health insurance, with a public option. The GOP won't stand for it, though. A public option would only be possible in a Democrat-majority Congress.[/QUOTE] Fingers crossed, that's what we get the next time around. Obama in office and the dems in congress. Victory for the good guys, IMO.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];37189848']Good move on his part. The mainstream Republican party is definitely moving right, fiscally and socially, but mostly fiscally. And we're seeing this out of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. Romney is anything but this. In fact, I'd classify Romney as a moderate capitalist-liberal, and less of a conservative, but being the only other option besides "batshit radical" he appealed to the "casual" moderate Republican majority. Nominating Ryan, one of these guys in the movement of the mainstream party, is a good action for Romney. I'm betting that Ryan and Romney will appeal enough to the mainstream party to pull in a win for the Midwest, which would give them a win this election. My two cents.[/QUOTE] Romney's still pretty conservative, Ryan's there to grab more at the party base, but I doubt he'll be pulling too many moderates or democrats to grab the majority. My 2 cents.

[QUOTE=KnowProblem;37192348]Romney's still pretty conservative, Ryan's there to grab more at the party base, but I doubt he'll be pulling too many moderates or democrats to grab the majority. My 2 cents.[/QUOTE]"Paul Ryan is really going to help Mitt Romney hit that Mitt Romney demographic."

I don't know who Paul Ryan is, but he in no way will make Romney seem better. Vice presidents are a one way street. They can only make the candidate look bad (as was the case with McCain/Palin). They can't make the candidate look good.

[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;37189645]If there's any gay republican left at all.[/QUOTE] GOProud. They consistently support Republicans that damage their rights and attack Democrats who support them. No, it doesn't make any sense. [editline]12th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];37189848']Good move on his part. The mainstream Republican party is definitely moving right, fiscally and socially, but mostly fiscally. And we're seeing this out of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. Romney is anything but this. In fact, I'd classify Romney as a moderate capitalist-liberal, and less of a conservative, but being the only other option besides "batshit radical" he appealed to the "casual" moderate Republican majority. Nominating Ryan, one of these guys in the movement of the mainstream party, is a good action for Romney. I'm betting that Ryan and Romney will appeal enough to the mainstream party to pull in a win for the Midwest, which would give them a win this election. My two cents.[/QUOTE] He already had the conservative vote. The propaganda and rhetoric against the Obama administration has reached such a peak that conservatives actually believe that if he gets another term, he will literally destroy the United States. They will vote for anyone that isn't him.

well only a few months until america is wholly scuttled

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;37189823]Because a public option would be criticized as being "socialist" or "communist" by the GOP. Meanwhile, the country with the highest rated health insurance in the world, Holland, has a free market for health insurance, with a public option. The GOP won't stand for it, though. A public option would only be possible in a Democrat-majority Congress.[/QUOTE] They had a Democrat supermajority in Congress from 2008 until Jan 2010

Am I the only one who's surprised he didn't pick a black man or woman? I would imagine that Romney's trying to attract votes from outside his rich white conservative base at least a little bit. I mean choosing Paul Ryan just doesn't make any sense at all for him.

[QUOTE=smurfy;37195370]They had a Democrat supermajority in Congress from 2008 until Jan 2010[/QUOTE] During which the Democrats proved far more divided (between Progressive and Centrist/Conservative caucuses) and ineffectual than the Republicans have been in recent history. While elected Republicans can usually be pulled together to all vote yes on something, the same cannot always be said for the Democrats, which is why even with a supermajority they were unable to push forward certain programs, and it didn't help that even in that position they wanted to extend a hand to Republicans when doing so yielded no reward.

[QUOTE=Bentham;37183189]Why do people make every little thing a black and white issue. Is it the perfect solution with no problems whatsoever? No, nothing ever is. Did it help a lot of people get coverage when they otherwise couldn't? Yes. Quit acting like so many other people and pretending everything has to be 100% good or bad. It's annoying, and shows that you don't actually think about things deeply enough to measure the merits or demerits.[/QUOTE] Also Obama is supposed to reform healthcare where citizens are required to put their change into the big societal pie; he's supposed to be a Democrat.

Oh no. [t]http://puu.sh/QIIv[/t] [t]http://i54.tinypic.com/n6x3p.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;37194018]GOProud. They consistently support Republicans that damage their rights and attack Democrats who support them. No, it doesn't make any sense. [editline]12th August 2012[/editline] He already had the conservative vote. The propaganda and rhetoric against the Obama administration has reached such a peak that conservatives actually believe that if he gets another term, he will literally destroy the United States. They will vote for anyone that isn't him.[/QUOTE] This is true. I've even seen a conservative on welfare talk about abolishing welfare. When someone pointed out the obvious, she just said it's something she'd have to deal with. Way to shoot yourself in the foot over your beliefs.

To be honest, despite the fact that I disagree with him on political issues, I actually like Paul Ryan as a man. He seems real to me (than again who wouldn't next to an Etch-A-Sketch), and he is essentially the 'perfect' Republican according to their standards. This is not a good thing for us. He can only help Mitt Romney. In fact, if it was Paul Ryan running for President I think he'd have more of a chance than Mitt does. Let's hope he's got some skeletons, because otherwise the 2012 election just went from tight to near virginity.

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;37208738]To be honest, despite the fact that I disagree with him on political issues, I actually like Paul Ryan as a man. He seems real to me (than again who wouldn't next to an Etch-A-Sketch), and he is essentially the 'perfect' Republican according to their standards. This is not a good thing for us. He can only help Mitt Romney. In fact, if it was Paul Ryan running for President I think he'd have more of a chance than Mitt does. Let's hope he's got some skeletons, because otherwise the 2012 election just went from tight to near virginity.[/QUOTE] Too bad the vice president essentially gets to do jackshit. They are probably counting on his superior charisma compared to Romney to get more votes, even though if Mitt gets elected he'll just get stuffed in a locked drawer for the next 4 years.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37208893]Too bad the vice president essentially gets to do jackshit. They are probably counting on his superior charisma compared to Romney to get more votes, even though if Mitt gets elected he'll just get stuffed in a locked drawer for the next 4 years.[/QUOTE] I don't know. I mean the Vice President can be a very powerful role depending on how much the current President is willing to give it. Before the Carter administration, Vice Presidents lacked much power or prestige. There's an old joke I once heard describing VP's of that time: "A mother has two sons; one ran away and went to sea, the other was elected Vice President of the United States; neither were heard from again." In today's day in age though the Vice President is more like President-Lite as opposed to Backup President. They are present for all major decisions, have an office in the West Wing, are privy to all but the most extreme of classified files, and are in the President's ear just about every step of the way. Just because Biden is more of a plaything than Vice President doesn't mean Paul Ryan couldn't become say, the next Dick Cheney.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37189735]He reminds me more of Jim, to be honest.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/KKhzi.png[/img] I'm so sorry.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];37189848']Good move on his part. The mainstream Republican party is definitely moving right, fiscally and socially, but mostly fiscally. And we're seeing this out of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. Romney is anything but this. In fact, I'd classify Romney as a moderate capitalist-liberal, and less of a conservative, but being the only other option besides "batshit radical" he appealed to the "casual" moderate Republican majority. Nominating Ryan, one of these guys in the movement of the mainstream party, is a good action for Romney. I'm betting that Ryan and Romney will appeal enough to the mainstream party to pull in a win for the Midwest, which would give them a win this election. My two cents.[/QUOTE] on the other hand, Romney just tossed out any chance of winning Florida because they don't react well to having medicare threatened.