New York Times Proves Clint Eastwood Correct -- Obama Is Lousy CEO (Dual article) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Glaber;37545439]did you read the times article in full? Competitiveness can be a good trait, but in Obama's case, it leads into arrogance. He has bad sportsmanship and little to no concept of Teamwork Also I've gone back and bolded parts of the Times article to help point out why it's not as positive as you think it is.[/QUOTE] Sure I did. And the article itself seems pretty positive to me. We KNOW Obama has fantastic teamwork skills because he's campaigning very successfully. What you're trying to say is that the fact that he's good at everything he does and a consummate perfectionist make him a bad president. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Arrogance is tolerable if he's doing a great job, which he is. In what way is the alternative, a money-grubbing swindler whose lack of life experience is revealed in his outlook, a man who represents the one percent at the demonstrable expense of the other 99, a better alternative?

Obama may not be the best president or even make a good COE but bare this in mind.... he is surely is trying like every other president. He is trying to be progressive, you can't change the entire country over night nor in 4-8 years. A part of his problem i believe is he is far to compromising and the people who are suppose to work for us are don't exactly represent us. He can only do so much, the rest of the process is in the hands of the house/Senate/ect. The people that hold these seats are not exactly doing what is best for us ordinary citizens. To add insult to injury a lot of these people who hold seats and power have a lot of money backing them. A lot of them are VP/CEO/Shardholders/owners themselves and can control the media to a certain extent. The problem with our country is that we believe that we can just throw money at the problem and it will go away...lobbyist "donate" money to people that will promote what they want. These people who get the "donations" get to pass that along or keep it to promote what they want and the cycle continues. When in reality we need to get this whole "my way or the highway" mentality (team-voting and tactics) and really focus on what matters. It also does not help we're in a messy war and got a lot of other crazy shit going on outside. Maybe one day we will get back on track, a man can dream.

[QUOTE=catbarf;37545881]No, the criticism is that he spends a lot of time on trivial, pointless games of one-upmanship when there are so many more important things he could be doing.[/QUOTE] Bush took more vacations than any president in history during a term when our country was attacked and two wars were started, I hardly think you could criticize Obama for having "more important things he could be doing". So he likes to one-up people, go cry about it. As far as personality traits go, it's way better than being a slacker who barely got through college or a morally bankrupt corporate raider who dodges taxes and liquidates jobs for his own profit. He's the fucking President, do we not WANT a President who's awesome at things and obsessed with always being better? Who actually shows up prepared for meetings instead of having reports read to him because he don't read so good?

[QUOTE=archangel125;37546016]Sure I did. And the article itself seems pretty positive to me. We KNOW Obama has fantastic teamwork skills because he's campaigning very successfully. What you're trying to say is that the fact that he's good at everything he does and a consummate perfectionist make him a bad president. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Arrogance is tolerable if he's doing a great job, which he is. In what way is the alternative, a money-grubbing swindler whose lack of life experience is revealed in his outlook, a man who represents the one percent at the demonstrable expense of the other 99, a better alternative?[/QUOTE] You read it in full, and you still believe that? Okay, let me pull a quote of his "Great team work". [quote]When local campaign staff members ask him what they need to do better, he talks about himself instead. “I need to be working harder,” he recently told one state-level aide.[/quote] Does that look like good team work to you?

pathetic articles written by pathetic journalists. they should feel ashamed of themselves. [editline]4th September 2012[/editline] and glaber should feel ashamed for posting them.

[QUOTE=Glaber;37546114]You read it in full, and you still believe that? Okay, let me pull a quote of his "Great team work". Does that look like good team work to you?[/QUOTE] Well considering the right seems to think this entire country is in shambles solely due to Obama it seems like he should take personal responsibility for it all and deal with it himself, after all he has the magic wand to wave our debt and deficit away but just refuses to because he's not a Republican.

[QUOTE=Glaber;37546114]You read it in full, and you still believe that? Okay, let me pull a quote of his "Great team work". Does that look like good team work to you?[/QUOTE] that doesn't really i mean you can't reasonably make assumptions based on something he told [b]ONE[/b] state-level aide

[QUOTE=Glaber;37546114]You read it in full, and you still believe that? Okay, let me pull a quote of his "Great team work". Does that look like good team work to you?[/QUOTE] so he takes shit out on himself rather than those who work for him? honestly you make the most pathetic attacks

So..the New York Times didn't realize Clint lost the argument with the chair

Obama got a health care bill passed in a country that hailed it as a marxist invasion if that isn't an achievement I don't know what is

how many times has mitt romney gone golfing since he dropped out of the 2008 election? tbh what has he done at all since then? If you're going to stoop to this fucking stupidity, then tell me a single thing mitt romney has done between the 2008 election and his 2012 campaign.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37546178]how many times has mitt romney gone golfing since he dropped out of the 2008 election? tbh what has he done at all since then? If you're going to stoop to this fucking stupidity, then tell me a single thing mitt romney has done between the 2008 election and his 2012 campaign.[/QUOTE] This, is irrelevant. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37546155]so he takes shit out on himself rather than those who work for him? honestly you make the most pathetic attacks[/QUOTE] Beating himself up or saying he has to work harder instead of actually giving advice when asked (opposed to when not asked) doesn't help his campaign do better. In fact it just add to the narrative set up by this part of the article: [quote]“I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Mr. Obama told Patrick Gaspard, his political director, at the start of the 2008 campaign, according to The New Yorker. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.”[/quote]

[QUOTE=Glaber;37546114]You read it in full, and you still believe that? Okay, let me pull a quote of his "Great team work". Does that look like good team work to you?[/QUOTE] When Obama blamed Bush: [I]"Wow he's so irresponsible, it doesn't matter whose fault it is, his job is to make it better. What an arrogant president."[/I] When Obama takes the blame: [I]"Wow, he's so self-centered. He'll never get anything done if he doesn't take advantage of the help people want to offer him. What an arrogant president."[/I] I mean come the fuck on just own up to the fact that there's really nothing Obama can do in your eyes to make himself look better. Everything he does will always be torn apart until SOMETHING is found by the right to whine about. And no I'm not saying the left isn't the same way, but really now. It's just getting really ridiculous to just look for an excuse to bash down Obama at any chance anyone can get. He's definitely not a perfect president, frankly in my opinion he's "meh" but he certainly doesn't deserve all the shit he gets from the conservatives. This is the same shit as when we got Bin Laden, if it were a republican president who happened to be in office during that time, the entire right wing would be saying HE GOT BIN LADEN, GOOD JOB! WHAT A GREAT PRESIDENT but because Obama is a Democrat, all I heard was "Obama really didn't DO anything, the SEAL's did, we should be thanking THEM, not Obama!" Like do you all see what I mean? Do you see how you ALL use the VERY SAME arguments against each other depending on who's being victimized or praised? Do you see that the ONLY reason most of you nitpick one side and blow the others is because of their party affiliation which doesn't even make any difference since the line between Democrat and Republican is shorter than ever. I'm sorry but god damn. Whew...

[QUOTE=Glaber;37546266]This, is irrelevant. [/quote] lmao its relavent to criticize how obama spends his free time, but romney is off limits/irrelevant. you are the worst

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37546366]lmao its relavent to criticize how obama spends his free time, but romney is off limits/irrelevant. you are the worst[/QUOTE] nah he's right it is irrelevant. romney isn't president, obama is.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37546366]lmao its relavent to criticize how obama spends his free time, but romney is off limits/irrelevant. you are the worst[/QUOTE] It's irreverent because it was during that time period that Romney wasn't in any position that would affect the nation, nor the state he was in if he were to focus on trivialities.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37546407]nah he's right it is irrelevant. romney isn't president, obama is.[/QUOTE] it is relevant. He could have been involved in the political system in some way the last four years. Like hell i don't know, doing some shit with the RNC, lobbying, advocating. If he pissed away the last 4 years playing golf and riding horses, can he really be that serious about being president. Or I should say it's just as relevant as criticizing Obama for playing golf on the weekends as President, which is to say not really.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37546407]nah he's right it is irrelevant. romney isn't president, obama is.[/QUOTE] Let's hope the former never is.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37546451]it is relevant. He could have been involved in the political system in some way the last four years. Like hell i don't know, doing some shit with the RNC, lobbying, advocating. If he pissed away the last 4 years playing golf and riding horses, can he really be that serious about being president. Or I should say it's just as relevant as criticizing Obama for playing golf on the weekends as President, which is to say not really.[/QUOTE] it's just you can't compare someone doing stuff while president to someone doing stuff when they ain't. one is the highest position in the most powerful country in the world, the other is just some guy until the next election. well i guess he was a governor or something? [editline]5th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;37546452]Let's hope the former never is.[/QUOTE] i agree. i reckon obama is pretty crappy in alot of ways but it's more the system being broken than the dude but i'd take him over romney or any other member of that party.

Everyone says he plays golf like its a travesty Didn't bush take a vacation after 9/11 or something? Even GW frequented ye ol strip home after hours

I would hope Obama was a bad CEO. A good CEO by today's standards means "a master at stealing rights and money from the American public".

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37546590]it's just you can't compare someone doing stuff while president to someone doing stuff when they ain't. one is the highest position in the most powerful country in the world, the other is just some guy until the next election. well i guess he was a governor or something?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying its relevant what romney did the last 4 years, but if you're going to bring up bullshit about Obama then it's fair to bring up Romney. But really he ran for president and was planning to spend the next 4 years of his life doing that, but when he lost he did fuck all. As I said, he could have easily gotten involved in something but he didn't because [editline]5th September 2012[/editline] So what if Obama plays cards on plane trips? who fucking cares [editline]5th September 2012[/editline] if glaber is going to shill republican talking points then he should answer the same claims made against the candidate he so obviously supports. [editline]5th September 2012[/editline] Like fuck, even Palin got a job at Fox News. If you ignore the fact that she quit her job as governor, she at least contributed to national discourse (even if it was a negative contribution) after losing the election whereas romney fell off the face of the earth.

Here Glaber: [T]http://thelosangelesbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/straws.jpg[/T] With so much you've been grasping for them, I guess you must be desperate.

You know who else had business experience? Dick Cheney You know who was a warmongering, greedy, walking stack of money/unconvicted war criminal? Dick Cheney Romney 2012!

[QUOTE=Glaber;37546426]It's irreverent because it was during that time period that Romney wasn't in any position that would affect the nation, nor the state he was in if he were to focus on trivialities.[/QUOTE] Here's a thought. The total number of days of vacation or retreat President Bush took, while in office over a period of 8 years was 977 days, or 32% of his total time in office, was spent on vacations or retreats. [B]32%[/B] That's INSANE. President Obama has only taken off 67 days in his 4 years in office.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;37547788]Here's a thought. The total number of days of vacation or retreat President Bush took, while in office over a period of 8 years was 977 days, or 32% of his total time in office, was spent on vacations or retreats. [B]32%[/B] That's INSANE. President Obama has only taken off 67 days in his 4 years in office.[/QUOTE] but were those 977 days 977 days of uninterrupted lazing by the pool or were they more or less working "holidays"?

Oh my god I can't believe Obama plays golf every two weeks. Truly shows he's the anti-christ obongo communist devil.

[QUOTE=BoysLightUp;37547840]but were those 977 days 977 days of uninterrupted lazing by the pool or were they more or less working "holidays"?[/QUOTE] Holidays are holidays.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37547916]Holidays are holidays.[/QUOTE] Except when they're not. If I take my laptop down to my beach-house and keep fielding emails/etc while I'm nominally on holidays, I'm not actually on a holiday - I'm merely working somewhere else. I have no doubt President Bush, and Obama and co, are perfectly capable of ending up in the same situation.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;37546089]Bush took more vacations than any president in history during a term when our country was attacked and two wars were started, I hardly think you could criticize Obama for having "more important things he could be doing". [/QUOTE] And Bush was a bad president. What's your point? I can't criticize one president because his predecessor was bad too? What kind of reasoning is that? [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;37546089]So he likes to one-up people, go cry about it. As far as personality traits go, it's way better than being a slacker who barely got through college or a morally bankrupt corporate raider who dodges taxes and liquidates jobs for his own profit. [/QUOTE] Obviously. I never said that Romney is a better choice, I said that Obama is the lesser evil and I will happily go vote for him. But just because Obama is the lesser evil doesn't mean we should just ignore any and all issues he might have. [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;37546089]He's the fucking President, do we not WANT a President who's awesome at things and obsessed with always being better? Who actually shows up prepared for meetings instead of having reports read to him because he don't read so good?[/QUOTE] Did you read the article? The issue isn't that he's awesome with things and wants to always be better, it's that he's not as awesome as he thinks he is but is still dead-set on doing things his way, even against the advice of the experts in those areas, and is spending a lot of time on narcissistic contests rather than pressing issues (which, you may have noticed, we have a fuckton of). A president who ignores his advisers because he thinks he knows best is a serious concern. It's exactly the sort of person who will take a my-way-or-the-highway approach where compromise is needed, and we've already seen the results of that mentality in Congress. Look, just because Bush was a blathering idiot and Romney is Snidely Whiplash in a business suit doesn't mean we should ignore any faults in the current president. At the very least, public criticism might bring it to his attention, and then he might realize that this is something people are noticing and might change for the better. Politicians should always be under public scrutiny, and the President of the United States wields so much power that every personality trait and action SHOULD be analyzed.