From Russia With Love: Russian Motorists Viciously Beat Drunk Driver On Video - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721099]really? you think not incapacitating a potential murder, a drunk driver attempting to flee, by any non lethal means is not acceptable? give me a good reason why in this situation they should not have acted as they did. Do you honestly support his right to not be beaten down? HE COULD HAVE KILLED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. Honestly, if you got off your computer for 10 minutes and walked into the street to see some drunk guy crashing into cars i'm pretty sure if you have any sort of mental capability you would do something. or maybe people are just so liberal these days they don't realise that you forgoe your freedoms by deliberately and consioucly acting in a way that is detremental to others safety and lives. He has no rights. None. He got in a car, drunk, then tried to escape. I'm glad they beat the shit out of him. I hope you don't ever have to experience how bad drunk driving is first hand. But if you ever do you may look back on this and think again. He got what he desevered and i hope he rots in jail and is banned from driving for life.[/QUOTE] You sir are dumb. He DID NOT deserve a ass kicking. Let the fucking cops do their job.

[QUOTE=stone555;26721632]Wow facepunch, you really disappoint me with your mob justice ways. The thing that you guys seem to be missing is that they weren't beating the fuck out of him to stop him from driving off (note how the first guy tried that and it made him crash into another vehicle), but they starting assaulting him after he was out of the vehicle, unable to really hurt anyone else (fatally, with a vehicle, at least). If someone tackled him to the ground and held him until the police came, it would be fine. There was no need to kick him until he's bleeding from his fucking eyes.[/QUOTE] I'm intrigued actually. Why is there no need to kick him until he's bleeding. I'm actually interested as to why people think he has some form of right not to have his ass kicked after what he did. [QUOTE=TheSpy;26721637]You sir are dumb. He DID NOT deserve a ass kicking. Let the fucking cops do their job.[/QUOTE] Why did he not deserve an ass kicking?

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721664]I'm intrigued actually. Why is there no need to kick him until he's bleeding. I'm actually interested as to why people think he has some form of right not to have his ass kicked after what he did.[/QUOTE]Yeah, fuck human rights!

[QUOTE=stone555;26721669]Yeah, fuck human rights![/QUOTE] is it not true that he was potentially damaging someone elses human rights by drink driving?

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721664]I'm intrigued actually. Why is there no need to kick him until he's bleeding. I'm actually interested as to why people think he has some form of right not to have his ass kicked after what he did. Why did he not deserve an ass kicking?[/QUOTE] Why? Cause he was in no harms way. Just tackle him and hold him till police arrive. Instead of kicking him why not hold him down and call the police. Easier said then done

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721617]Fair enough, i didn't actually say kid to infer anything, more of the image of a sheltered child defending his "rights". But. Yes, and i agreed with you about 4 times, they went to far, but i disagree that vigilantism has no place in the world. Sometimes you need to subdue and restrain people. You don't keep beating a guy thats knocked out, of course. I never said i condoned beating him whilst he was down, but while he's running around, swinging punches and trying to drive off, he's fair game. You put his ass down in any way possible. If that's what your saying, i have no problem.[/QUOTE] Well ok then. I just meant that physical but non violent means should come first above all, such as physically restraining a guy by, say, sitting on him and holding his limbs down. Such a thing would have been viable in this situation, where you had multiple people gang beating the dude. They could have just as easily all worked together to shove him to the ground and hold him down to be arrested or something (though, Russia), but they chose the violent route and that's where I have a problem. But i'm tired of this argument anyways so if we disagree here, ok.

[QUOTE=JDK721;26712651]no[/QUOTE] God damn you, when will you learn that people have been beating out on each other, and will keep beating out on each other until there are two people left on the planet, beating on each other. But I do admit I felt bad for the driver, getting so much aggression from people around him.. not cool. But he was drunk, he crashed into other cars and tried to fled the scene..

[QUOTE=TheSpy;26721691]Why? Cause he was in no harms way. Just tackle him and hold him till police arrive. Instead of kicking him why not hold him down and call the police. Easier said then done[/QUOTE] Exactly. They could have just thrown him to the ground and waited for the police. Instead they made the situation worse.

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721688]is it not true that he was potentially damaging someone elses human rights by drink driving?[/QUOTE]Well sure, but they had him detained before he actually hurt anyone, did they not? Was that not enough?

[QUOTE=TheSpy;26721691]Why? Cause he was in no harms way. Just tackle him and hold him till police arrive. Instead of kicking him why not hold him down and call the police. Easier said then done[/QUOTE] Exactly, easier said. Which is my point. Maybe they felt it was neccessary use of force to subdue him. They're not policemen, they dont have weapons or tazers. They acted in a way they saw neccessary, and it worked, because he's in jail. [QUOTE=stone555;26721726]Well sure, but they had him detained before he actually hurt anyone, did they not? Was that not enough?[/QUOTE] Well thats the point isnt it. Prevention. If it takes what they did to prevent it, thus they did right. There actions are permissable because they stopped him. In [U]this[/U] case the ends justified the means.

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721732]Exactly, easier said. Which is my point. Maybe they felt it was neccessary use of force to subdue him. They're not policemen, they dont have weapons or tazers. They acted in a way they saw neccessary, and it worked, because he's in jail.[/QUOTE] He was KNOCKED OUT. He probably is hurt badly. All they needed to do is hold him down like the officer did at the end of the video

[QUOTE=Benf199105;26721732]Exactly, easier said. Which is my point. Maybe they felt it was neccessary use of force to subdue him. They're not policemen, they dont have weapons or tazers. They acted in a way they saw neccessary, and it worked, because he's in jail. Well thats the point isnt it. Prevention. If it takes what they did to prevent it, thus they did right. There actions are permissable because they stopped him. In [U]this[/U] case the ends justified the means.[/QUOTE]Well no, not really. They could have just held him until the police arrived (there were more than enough people). You're simply saying they did what they had to, which is obviously not the case.

What happened is of course mostly the drunk guys fault, but the angry people made it worse. Instead of dragging him out of the car, they just kept hitting him.

[QUOTE=TheSpy;26721764]He was KNOCKED OUT. He probably is hurt badly. All they needed to do is hold him down like the officer did at the end of the video[/QUOTE] Yes, true. Like i said earlier, i don't condone what they did after he was down. But he got his ass kicked and they stopped him from doing any damage. [QUOTE=stone555;26721786]Well no, not really. They could have just held him until the police arrived (there were more than enough people). You're simply saying they did what they had to, which is obviously not the case.[/QUOTE] As i've said about 6 times. I don't condone them beating him down so hard, but they subdued him. They were justified in doing so. They did what they had to do, and more. The [B]and more[/B] bit is the problem.

So in other words, people do stupid shit, people get aggressive and lose their senses, resulting in senseless violence. Shit happens. Shit has always happened. Shit will happen.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;26721952]So in other words, people do stupid shit, people get aggressive and lose their senses, resulting in senseless violence. Shit happens. Shit has always happened. Shit will happen.[/QUOTE] We can still condemn the people that support this "shit".

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26722016]We can still condone the people that support this "shit".[/QUOTE] Not as much in Russia. However, a lot of people could have been killed, like the part where he drove 30 MPH in reverse, if it weren't for the parked car he hit, the innocent by-stander behind that car might not be alive today.

[QUOTE=HighdefGE;26722156]Not as much in Russia. However, a lot of people could have been killed, like the part where he drove 30 MPH in reverse, if it weren't for the parked car he hit, the innocent by-stander behind that car might not be alive today.[/QUOTE] Yes they could have thus why he should be in jail.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26722185]Yes they could have thus why he should be in jail.[/QUOTE] Who says he isn't going to jail?

[QUOTE=HighdefGE;26722211]Who says he isn't going to jail?[/QUOTE] No one, just sayin.

Russia has always been a fucked up country.

A beating in Russia? Please, there's millions of them happening each day, nothing new.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26722016]We can still condone the people that support this "shit".[/QUOTE] Condone is a totally new word for me, obviously means like forgiving or whatever, so I don't really understand your point. Violence is something that will eventually rule out the survivors from the dead. Will you still be saying killing is bad when it is actually a matter of evolutionary survival? I know it's funny to even imagine a scenario like that, but animals they really fight for their lives down there, when their areas get cramped up for example or when there isn't enough food for everybody, some violent shit happens. I'm glad these are none of our concern. :v: So, the reason why people keep raping, beating and killing each other is not about survival, it's just us.. And you know it and you gotta deal with it, with either prison time or more violence.. I don't know. Care to come up with a good way to keep people from killing each other? [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;26722413]A beating in Russia? Please, there's millions of them happening each day, nothing new.[/QUOTE] Also a good point

Idealists will complain about what was done, and say there was an easier way, and that vigilantism is stupid and barbaric. Realists will realize that because he was being a violent and destructive drunk, there was some force needed in order to properly restrain the man, but not the amount of force used, and that vigilante justice has some place in society, but not a large place, due to the violent tendencies it has. Vigilantes will think what was done was perfectly justified, and that vigilantism is more effective than a justice system. This has always and will always be the way it will work. Everybody of every one of those groups will complain about the other groups, and noting will change, because this is the way it has been for thousands of years and the way it will be for thousands more. Idealists don't account for human nature tending to cause a person to overreact to something, or create a desire for revenge. Vigilantes don't account for the fact that the justice system was put into place to save people not only from lawbreakers, but also from vigilantes. Realists forget that not everyone will have the same opinion as them, and that everybody has some form of bias. This was written from the perspective of the "realist," a term that, in it's use, shows that I have some form of bias myself, as does everybody else.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;26722545]Condone is a totally new word for me, obviously means like forgiving or whatever, so I don't really understand your point. Violence is something that will eventually rule out the survivors from the dead. Will you still be saying killing is bad when it is actually a matter of evolutionary survival? I know it's funny to even imagine a scenario like that, but animals they really fight for their lives down there, when their areas get cramped up for example or when there isn't enough food for everybody, some violent shit happens. I'm glad these are none of our concern. :v: So, the reason why people keep raping, beating and killing each other is not about survival, it's just us.. And you know it and you gotta deal with it, with either prison time or more violence.. I don't know. Care to come up with a good way to keep people from killing each other? [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] Also a good point[/QUOTE] Herp, I meant condemn. Stupid me.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26716429]I, too, support physical violence against a person who damages material property. Good job Facepunch.[/QUOTE] Because clearly the only things harmed in car accidents are the cars. You do know there are people inside them driving and pedestrians walking on the sidewalk, right? Not justifying the beat down but don't say something so retarded.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26722753]Herp, I meant condemn. Stupid me.[/QUOTE] Aha I see, it's no biggie. So, you think we should condemn these people who "support" this kind of unnecessary violence? Well, way ahead of you, we do. In some places they even condemn people to death! When in Rome do as the Romans do, right? But then again that isn't justice.. Are we ever getting to a general establishment of what is real justice? Maybe.. maybe not

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;26723004]Are we ever getting to a general establishment of what is real justice?[/QUOTE] Never, everyone has a different interpretation of "justice."

[QUOTE=Randdalf;26716217]He was perfectly aware what he was doing, alcohol just let him do it.[/QUOTE] See, this is why people who have absolutely no life experience are not allowed to vote or hold public office.

I don't think some of you guys fully grasp the seriousness of the situation here, and why was that "vulgar display of power" necessary. For starters, scumbags like these kind of people have NO respect for the law at all, to the point they consider us stupid for obeying the law. They just don't understand what's right and what's wrong, not like we do. So while being fined and spending a few nights in jail sounds like something really serious to us, these fuckers just laugh about it, they don't fucking care... "whateva whateva I do what I want" is like a fucking motto to them, they live for that shit. Secondly--and [u]worse[/u], they have nothing to live for, and nothing to die for. That's why they don't care whatever the fuck they do, they don't feel any shame, pity or remorse... Now, imagine a fucker like that, shitfaced--that is, multiply all the bullshits he says and does by 10. Violence can be used for good, and in this case, they used it to get a point across. Driving drunk equals a severe beating, plus a big-ass fine and some time in the slammer. I hope that fuckbag finally gets it in his head.