[QUOTE=blitzown;43854687]Ray Lewis killed someone too, he's a super bowl winner now though.[/QUOTE]
Allegedly.
Source: Ravens fan.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43854163]yeah well I doubt this dude's some exceptionally great player[/QUOTE]
he actually won co-defensive player of the year in the Southeastern Conference (SEC), which is widely viewed as not only the best college football conference, but the one with the strongest defensive players. he's also coming into the league right after the Seattle Seahawks put on a huge display of the power of a good defense in the Super Bowl against the Broncos, who had the number one offense of all time. he was commonly seen as probably a second- to fourth-round draft pick (there are seven rounds in the NFL draft, and 32 players are taken in each round).
basically, if he didn't come out as gay, he would be almost a sure thing to get drafted as long as he does okay during workouts leading up to the draft. now, though, nobody knows how coming out of the closet is going to affect his draft position. his sexuality probably doesn't matter to most coaches and general managers personally, but they probably aren't too sure of how their players might react. the general perception in the NFL is that its players might not take too kindly to having to share a locker room with a gay guy.
it's unfortunate, but it might affect where he's taken in the draft.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Apollo;43854944]It definitely gives him an edge, leveraging his sexuality. If no one picks him then he can just say "it's because I'm gay!", not because he might not be good enough (not that I know how good or bad a player he is) and raise a big stink about it. I think it's a very smart move but I don't know if it will be feasible for long as the US seems to be trending towards tolerance of homosexuality more and more these days despite whatever the headlines say.[/QUOTE]
that's not how it works.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=blitzown;43854687]Ray Lewis killed someone too, he's a super bowl winner now though.[/QUOTE]
the difference being that he (may have) killed someone after he was already playing in the NFL at a high level.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=redBadger;43854548]Tell that to Tim Tebow[/QUOTE]
college quarterbacks don't always translate well into the pros. college defensive ends (especially playing in the SEC) usually do.
Yeah, Ray was already high up that's true. I really think in this case it depends on the team and their personalities as well as the staff. Honestly though, someone with his skill set should get picked regardless by some team. I feel I can almost guarantee that.
[QUOTE=OvB;43853866]They let Michael Vick continue playing after he served jail time for dog fighting.
Aaron Hernandez was a murderer and he played until he was thrown in jail for life.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sportspeople_convicted_of_crimes#American_football_.28Gridiron.29[/url]
Professional football is full of legitimately bad people that are given multimillion dollar salaries because they win for their team. If Michael Sam is a good player no one will care if he is gay. Mark my words.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but this guy is gay, which is obviously worse than being a dog fighter, or a murderer. Just you watch and see.
[QUOTE=businessPawn;43853482]Well there goes his handeggball career.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=businessPawn;43853576]Umm Being gay puts him at a disadvantage to being picked.[/QUOTE]
Wow, [b]stop talking[/b]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQvB7FMkIWg[/media]
This man is [b]deaf[/b]
He went to a highschool 10 minutes from my own and he played football in UCLA. He then got into the Seahawks and played on.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
You really think that sexual preference is going to be that big of a deterrent? If a deaf man such as Coleman can get picked up, I'm sure as Hell certain that Sam can get on as well.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;43854098]Gridiron.[/QUOTE]
we should be calling it that anyway because that's a fucking awesome name
[QUOTE=businessPawn;43853482]Well there goes his handeggball career.[/QUOTE]
wait why are you calling it that if you're American?
I mean, it's stupid to call it if you're non-American but it's even more so when you're actually fucking American.
Just call it football for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43853920]Can people stop with this stupid "handegg" shit? It doesn't add any sort of credibility to what you're saying because its just a mocking term playing on naming conventions to try to somehow be edgy about how you don't care for sports or how you think its stupid.
The term is Football (for most Americans), and if you aren't, then its American Football[/QUOTE]
I, too, am furious about words on the internet.
Also, everyone knows it's called Sportsball.
So uhhh... he likes to bang guys, right?
If he's good he's good.
professional sports teams will let a lot of shit get swept under a rug because on game day they produce results. No one cares about your religion, color or sexual preference, only how fast you can run 40
[QUOTE=uzikus;43856992]So uhhh... he likes to bang guys, right?[/QUOTE]
Unless my dictionary happens to be from the Twilight Zone, yes.
[QUOTE=businessPawn;43853576]Umm Being gay puts him at a disadvantage to being picked.[/QUOTE]
That's stupid, also the fact that this makes headlines.
If I was the manager of a football/soccer team, if they performed to the level on the field then I wouldn't care about their sexuality. Any team member who would have an issue with it would get kicked out, simple as that.
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;43857238]That's stupid, also the fact that this makes headlines.
If I was the manager of a football/soccer team, if they performed to the level on the field then I wouldn't care about their sexuality. Any team member who would have an issue with it would get kicked out, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Vince Lombardi the best football coach of all time had players come to him being uncomfortable with black people in the 60s. Guess who got cut immediately :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;43857238]That's stupid, also the fact that this makes headlines.
If I was the manager of a football/soccer team, if they performed to the level on the field then I wouldn't care about their sexuality. Any team member who would have an issue with it would get kicked out, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
nobody's denying that's the way it SHOULD be, but in a country as conservative as the states, it's the way it often is
The opinions I'm hearing isn't because he's gay, its beacuse of the politics involved with that. A lot are afraid that if he gets drafted, that if [I]anything at all[/I] happens to him, he gets hurt on the field, gets a call taht people don't agree with, whatever, that they'll come under fire from the "Gay community" and be accused of discriminating against him.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;43854045]Jesus christ you guys are pessimistic. Toxx: If he goes undrafted or gets drafted in the 7th round, ban me until the next draft.[/QUOTE]
7th round is a bit risky bud. I'll take a couple of weeks if he goes undrafted barring injury or statistical ruin at the combine.
[editline]10th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;43855333]Wow, [b]stop talking[/b]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQvB7FMkIWg[/media]
This man is [b]deaf[/b]
He went to a highschool 10 minutes from my own and he played football in UCLA. He then got into the Seahawks and played on.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
You really think that sexual preference is going to be that big of a deterrent? If a deaf man such as Coleman can get picked up, I'm sure as Hell certain that Sam can get on as well.[/QUOTE]
Coleman went undrafted.
[editline]10th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=businessPawn;43853576]Umm Being gay puts him at a disadvantage to being picked.[/QUOTE]
No. It doesn't. The SEC (Best conference in college football) leader in sacks (Hue hue) is not going to be at a disadvantage. In my opinion, based on game film I've seen, is that Sam is a 3rd round prospect with extreme upside. The guy could become a top 20 DE in the NFL within a year or two. If you think that sexuality will change a high level talent, you don't know football.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;43853802]Oh man I wish that was true, haha.[/QUOTE]
And you know it isn't true because?
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;43855333]You really think that sexual preference is going to be that big of a deterrent? If a deaf man such as Coleman can get picked up, I'm sure as Hell certain that Sam can get on as well.[/QUOTE]
can you really not see the difference (from the pov of the media and the more conservative football fans) between homosexuality and impaired hearing?
For some reasons i read that as 'Uncle Sam'
[img]http://i48.tinypic.com/kf400i.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43859862]can you really not see the difference (from the pov of the media and the more conservative football fans) between homosexuality and impaired hearing?[/QUOTE]
I never said I can't see it. I believe that there shouldn't be any issues with it.
if there weren't, there'd be more openly gay nfl players
[QUOTE=OvB;43853651]Teams don't care what you do as long as you can throw/catch/run/defend the ball. I doubt it will change anything.[/QUOTE]
lol, no.
Not even kinda. For every progressive person in the league there are 50 whom aren't. He is going to be picked high, and for every person who slaps his ass without a care in the world, there will be ten people on another team or even his own who are going to try to literally physically erase him from existence.
Football is a boy's club and has been since the dawn of time. Emphasis on [I]boy[/I].
This is an organization that touts the word "God" at every available opportunity and took TWENTY YEARS to acknowledge that it was sending players onto the field to potentially give and take permanent brain damage. They knew by 1984 definitively that defensive players were sustaining permanent and debilitating brain injury and had undisputed medical proof by 1991, and refused to do anything about it until last year.
He's going to have problems purely based on his sexuality.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43857953]nobody's denying that's the way it SHOULD be, but in a country as conservative as the states, it's the way it often is[/QUOTE]
It isn't what it should be, it's just how my approach would be. The same idea would apply to a disruptive team member who was lowering morale.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43860187]if there weren't, there'd be more openly gay nfl players[/QUOTE]
Most homosexuals don't play football. You consider that? And usually they don't bother with coming out in the NFL. It's not the environment to talk about sexuality. Its a place to win games and be good players.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;43861795]Most homosexuals don't play football. You consider that? And usually they don't bother with coming out in the NFL. It's not the environment to talk about sexuality. Its a place to win games and be good players.[/QUOTE]
if you seriously believe that then there's nothing more i can say, but you should know that it's a very naive way of looking at things
also "most homosexuals don't play football", you got anything to back that up?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43862547]if you seriously believe that then there's nothing more i can say, but you should know that it's a very naive way of looking at things
also "most homosexuals don't play football", you got anything to back that up?[/QUOTE]
Don't get a superior attitude and say "I'm right nothing more to say." I don't have exact statistics but I'm willing to bet that most homosexuals aren't interested in football and the few that are usually don't pursue a professional career, nor have the talent to get into the NFL. Those that are already in would probably prefer not to talk about it.
[editline]10th February 2014[/editline]
Needless to say, Michael Sam will go into the NFL by at least the 6th round, probably much earlier. He will develop into at least a backup role and will be a well-respected and admirable football player. Anything different is the media twisting the situation.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;43862657]Don't get a superior attitude and say "I'm right nothing more to say." I don't have exact statistics but I'm willing to bet that most homosexuals aren't interested in football and the few that are usually don't pursue a professional career, nor have the talent to get into the NFL[/QUOTE]
lmao you literally just said that homosexuals are worse at football than heterosexuals, what the fuck
[quote]Those that are already in would probably prefer not to talk about it.[/quote]
and why do you think that is? like someone said already, sports are all about marketing and advertisement, and players are also celebrities. american football is a very traditional sport in america, and the US is a very conservative country, so of course people are gonna care about this
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43863044]lmao you literally just said that homosexuals are worse at football than heterosexuals, what the fuck
and why do you think that is? like someone said already, sports are all about marketing and advertisement, and players are also celebrities. american football is a very traditional sport in america, and the US is a very conservative country, so of course people are gonna care about this[/QUOTE]
Very few people get into the NFL. I'm pretty sure you misunderstood what I meant by the "Nor the talent". The only people who care about gay players is the media and owners, and they'll fire fuckers for anything that costs them money.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43858394]The opinions I'm hearing isn't because he's gay, its beacuse of the politics involved with that. A lot are afraid that if he gets drafted, that if [I]anything at all[/I] happens to him, he gets hurt on the field, gets a call taht people don't agree with, whatever, that they'll come under fire from the "Gay community" and be accused of discriminating against him.[/QUOTE]
oh yes, it's the gays that are the problem here
I honestly can't think of a good reason for someone to go to the media in order to proclaim one's sexual preference to the world. There's a difference between not hiding your sexual preferences and going to the media about them.
It might effect his draft chances and it might not, but you can bet that people will blame it on this if he doesn't, whether proof exists for the claim or not.
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