Japan threatens tracer warning shots against Chinese aircraft if they continue airspace violations - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39293246]Hard to top the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War"]Great Emu War[/URL], but I get the point you're making.[/QUOTE] What about the[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War"] Football War[/URL]?

[QUOTE=The Chef;39294444]Japan can't declare war anyway, it's illegal per their constitution[/QUOTE] That's right, the Article 9 issue. "ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized." How the JSDF (JGSDF, JMSDF and the JASDF) work, which is bound by their constitution, they would not ever be able to deploy troops any further that of their borders. And in terms of material support, the Japanese would be annihilated by China if the US did not interfer. (In which they would because they are bound by the US-Japan Security Treaty. The only way they would is if either; - After a prolonged and in-depth discussion and development of the Article 9 issue, that it would be amended, thus requiring a minimum of 66% majority vote in the Diet (yes, that's what they actually call their parliament/) to effectively pass the amendment and that it would be made law, so that they could deploy their troops beyond their borders in an offensive. - A coup d'etat (May 15th Incident, which lead Japan into a decade of militarist domination) - Support by the US - Support by regional powers (including Taiwan, Australia, Vietnam, Thailand, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore etc) One point that would probably prevent it from happening, would be the cut off of fossil fuels, iron ores, metals, uranium and other important natural resources by resource-rich countries (definitely Australia, as they export vast amounts of natural resources to China) in which China needs it to ultimately survive. And lastly, because Australia is bound by the ANZUS treaty, it would have to follow with what the US does, as would Japan also with the US-Japan Security Treaty. You could say, China, in a defensive and strategic sense, is surrounded except for the Russian Federation and North Korea. But if it really did come to it, NATO would probably get involved (as some of it's member countries would most likely be targeted for attacks.)

If this were to end up in hostilities somehow, I'd say that it's better that it's happening now, rather than in twenty years or so. Even now, with so much time passed, the second world war is still relatively fresh in our minds, not to mention Korea or Vietnam, or even the "War on Terror" in that regard. People are as of now still afraid of going to war, but eventually if nothing happens, in about 20 years our adult populace will be desensitized to the whole thing, and could even be thinking of war as a "chance for glory" or some bullshit like that. Point being, it's 5:44 in the morning and I'm rambling, my apologies if this was stupid or didn't make sense, rate me dumb as appropriate.

[QUOTE=Megafan;39297894]defense force =/= police force That is, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_police#National_Police_Agency[/url] is not on the same level as [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces[/url][/QUOTE] Technically the JSDF is considered a branch of the police force but obviously they aren't related to each other except on paper.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39297416]I'd like to go ahead and point out quality over quantity. If the battles took place exclusively on the islands, China's soviet style human wave tactics wouldn't do all that well as long as Japan has sturdy emplacements. As for their navy, I'll again point to quality over quantity. While China has quite a few ships, only 138 are full sized major combat vessels. Japan operates about 110 full sized major combat vessels. While Japan doesn't have any aircraft carries, they do have 4 helicopter carriers.[/QUOTE] Human wave tactics? You're not talking about literal waves of soldiers right? [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] Where did you get the number of ships? Would be cool to compare.

i dont understand why japan didnt conquer part of china when they had the chance [QUOTE=Nipples;39292240]It means that Albania Belgium Bulgaria Canada Croatia Czech Republic Denmark Estonia France Greece Hungary Iceland Italy Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia Slovenia Spain Turkey United Kingdom United States Japan would be at war with China. AKA: All of the people who buy your stuff is at war with you. There would be no gain.[/QUOTE] china would still have the advantage of north korea as an ally [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] wrong quote but w/e i was being somewhat sarcastic

[QUOTE=Nipples;39292240]It means that Albania Belgium Bulgaria Canada Croatia Czech Republic Denmark Estonia France Greece Hungary Iceland Italy Latvia Lithuania Luxembourg Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia Slovenia Spain Turkey United Kingdom United States Japan would be at war with China. AKA: All of the people who buy your stuff is at war with you. There would be no gain.[/QUOTE] Why are people agreeing with this? Its wrong.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;39301222]Human wave tactics? You're not talking about literal waves of soldiers right? [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] Where did you get the number of ships? Would be cool to compare.[/QUOTE] I got the number of ships off Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt. As for the human wave tactics, China used a soviet style blitz in the Korean war, so I'd assume they'd try to do the same again since considering most of their power comes from their numbers.

if japan goes to war all they have to do is light a match in beijing; im sure some of those horrid pollutants must be flammable, right?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39304191]I got the number of ships off Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt. As for the human wave tactics, China used a soviet style blitz in the Korean war, so I'd assume they'd try to do the same again since considering most of their power comes from their numbers.[/QUOTE] I'm not entirely positive that human wave tactics are still a thing. I know for a fact that the Russians and Chinese have done joint-training together, so I'd imagine they'd adopt some of those tactics. I think overwhelming force and fire power is still their primary combat structure but they're reached a level of training, technology and understanding of warfare to at least adopt a basic use of Western-style small unit tactics over blind charges of the past. [t]http://spetsnaz.su/gallery/galleries/MVD/2007-10-00_Joint_Russian_and_Chinese_anti-terror_exercise/20.jpg[/t]