What sort of logic even goes into protesting conservatives in an area that is already fairly overwhelmingly liberal? There's no point. And trying to do so in a violent manner is not going to convince anyone you're right.
[QUOTE=nulls;52157843]Nothing of value would be lost.[/QUOTE]
antifa are doing a shitty job at stopping fascism, if anything they're creating a call to arms among fascists. the violence is only getting worse, on both sides. you think this is going to stay with just sticks, fireworks, and smoke bombs? one of these days, people are going to start bringing guns, and those college students in masks treating this shit like a game are going to get shot
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52157846]What?[/QUOTE]
look at the recent protests, more and more in the news about antifa people getting attacked by alt-right during the protests. i've also seen more people on that side of the spectrum starting to endorse the idea that "if they're doing it, we should too". this shit is going to get worse and worse. when both sides are totally okay with using violence on the other, then you're going to start seeing death tolls attached to these "protests".
You mean antifa getting attacked after they show up to rallies to assault people?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52157883]antifa are doing a shitty job at stopping fascism, if anything they're creating a call to arms among fascists. the violence is only getting worse, on both sides. you think this is going to stay with just sticks, fireworks, and smoke bombs? one of these days, people are going to start bringing guns, and those college students in masks treating this shit like a game are going to get shot
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Accelerationism is a necessity.
[QUOTE=nulls;52157911]Accelerationism is a necessity.[/QUOTE]
do you know how to perform first aid on a variety of gunshot wounds? do you go out and train with your local group so that you actually have tactics beyond "guy with mask good guy without bad"? are you actually practicing at all for the war you seem to so desperately want to fight? can you stay calm while people are shooting at and around you? are you prepared to die for your cause? are you prepared to kill?
or are you just another coward sitting on your computer telling other people to go out and fight and die?
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52157903]You mean antifa getting attacked after they show up to rallies to assault people?[/QUOTE]
yeah, and every time they do get violent pushback they seem confused and afraid, like they thought it could never happen to them. they don't have any fucking idea what it is that they are actually getting themselves into and what their actions are going to bring
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[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52157931]do you know how to perform first aid on a variety of gunshot wounds? do you go out and train with your local group so that you actually have tactics beyond "guy with mask good guy without bad"? are you actually practicing at all for the war you seem to so desperately want to fight? can you stay calm while people are shooting at and around you? are you prepared to die for your cause? are you prepared to kill?
or are you just another coward sitting on your computer telling other people to go out and fight and die?
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
yeah, and every time they do get violent pushback they seem confused and afraid, like they thought it could never happen to them. they don't have any fucking idea what it is that they are actually getting themselves into and what their actions are going to bring[/QUOTE]
They should prolly stop then
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[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52157931]do you know how to perform first aid on a variety of gunshot wounds? do you go out and train with your local group so that you actually have tactics beyond "guy with mask good guy without bad"? are you actually practicing at all for the war you seem to so desperately want to fight? can you stay calm while people are shooting at and around you? are you prepared to die for your cause? are you prepared to kill?
or are you just another coward sitting on your computer telling other people to go out and fight and die?
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
yeah, and every time they do get violent pushback they seem confused and afraid, like they thought it could never happen to them. they don't have any fucking idea what it is that they are actually getting themselves into and what their actions are going to bring[/QUOTE]
Thankfully this is near the end, Antifa has the Feds investigating them.
AKA they did something extremely stupid, and blurted out they used "borrowed" Police munitions.
FBI may be sending people to de-escalate now.
i'd respect antifa more if they looked like they actually trained and prepared for their shit and could actually fight instead of looking and acting like a mob of unorganized punks who are out there to have fun yelling and committing property damage. i still wouldn't agree that it is the best or a desirable course of action but i would respect the effort it takes to properly militarize
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52157977]They should prolly stop then[/QUOTE]
yeah, they should, before they get themselves and others killed
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52157984]Thankfully this is near the end, Antifa has the Feds investigating them.[/QUOTE]
that will slow them down but i don't know if it will stop them
[quote]AKA they did something extremely stupid, and blurted out they used "borrowed" Police munitions.
FBI may be sending people to de-escalate now.[/quote]
even more evidence they're all a bunch of idiot kids who don't know what they're actually getting into. opsec means nothing to them if they can brag to their friends about how cool they are
Ok, so now it's time for the police to get a warrant and track down the people who sent the email and arrest them, right? Or do police only use technology for unnecessary invasions of privacy?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52157989]i'd respect antifa more if they looked like they actually trained and prepared for their shit and could actually fight instead of looking and acting like a mob of unorganized punks who are out there to have fun yelling and committing property damage. i still wouldn't agree that it is the best or a desirable course of action but i would respect the effort it takes to properly militarize[/QUOTE]
So it's okay that we get more ideological-driven militias? How can that end up in anything except more violence?
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or are you just another coward sitting on your computer telling other people to go out and fight and die?[/QUOTE]
-snip-, was a dumb idea to post this.
I can see that this conversation is just going to dissolve into personal attacks though. So, good chat.
I wonder if in 25 years we'll find out that all this Antifa frenzy is just a CIA counter-intelligence operation like when they would infiltrate civil rights organizations and make them rabid. I kind of doubt it though, because I know plenty of people IRL who genuinely support and believe in all this nonsense. It's disappointing.
[QUOTE=RB33;52158015]So it's okay that we get more ideological-driven militias? How can that end up in except more violence?[/QUOTE]
hell no it isn't okay, it is the opposite of where i want things to go, but i'd still feel a sense of respect if they looked like they were putting some effort into it
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52158036]hell no it isn't okay, it is the opposite of where i want things to go, but i'd still feel a sense of respect if they looked like they were putting some effort into it[/QUOTE]
I get what you're saying. They're still pieces of shit but if you're going to be an ideological militia, at least be kinda serious about it. Not a bunch of pussies wearing black H&M hoodies throwing blind haymakers and then retreating back into the crowd.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52158036]hell no it isn't okay, it is the opposite of where i want things to go, but i'd still feel a sense of respect if they looked like they were putting some effort into it[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but committing violence against innocent people drops my respect for a person to 0 regardless of how organized it is
[QUOTE=nulls;52158024]-removed at request-
I can see that this conversation is just going to dissolve into personal attacks though. So, good chat.[/QUOTE]
so have you been training? know how to disassemble, assemble, field strip, clean, and accurately fire a rifle, preferably several of different types? have you been studying first aid?
i'm just trying to get into your head and see if you've been treating this as seriously as it is
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;52157983]lmao what
do you live in j edgar hoover and joseph mccarthy's wet dream world?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954#Further_history[/url]
Technically, this act is still in effect. It has not been repealed, and if you check out the article, it hasn't been acted on much either.
[QUOTE=Perrine;52158052]I don't know about you but committing violence against innocent people drops my respect for a person to 0 regardless of how organized it is[/QUOTE]
its kind of like how i respect how efficiently the mongolians were able to depopulate a city using only manpower. i think it is absolutely horrible but at the same a logistical and organizational feat. its not "wow i think that is great!", more "they're taking it seriously and i am acknowledging that". srobins got what i was going for
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52157984]Thankfully this is near the end, Antifa has the Feds investigating them.
AKA they did something extremely stupid, and blurted out they used "borrowed" Police munitions.
FBI may be sending people to de-escalate now.[/QUOTE]
Nothing will come out of this, since antifa is not centralized, doing something against "antifa" would be doing stuff against a lot of innocent people, it's pointless.
[QUOTE=srobins;52158050]I get what you're saying. They're still pieces of shit but if you're going to be an ideological militia, at least be kinda serious about it. Not a bunch of pussies wearing black H&M hoodies throwing blind haymakers and then retreating back into the crowd.[/QUOTE]
Are we seriously going to complain that extremists aren't professional enough? It's only good that they aren't prepared for doing more damage.
Fucking shit, riots have their place, sometimes violence is necessary.
But this is just fucking malicious for the sake of it, I don't feel like they're being pushed to any extremes, they're just stirring shit up.
[editline]27th April 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=eirexe;52158092]Nothing will come out of this, since antifa is not centralized, doing something against "antifa" would be doing stuff against a lot of innocent people, it's pointless.[/QUOTE]
Seriously though, you have people on all sides of the spectrum.
It'd be kind of like trying to prosecute Christians for the actions of the KKK back in the day when they were full force, but on a lesser scale.
[QUOTE=RB33;52158095]Are we seriously going to complain that extremists aren't professional enough? It's only good that they aren't prepared for doing more damage.[/QUOTE]
I think you're just kinda missing the point. If anything it's just a criticism of what a bunch of lame-asses Antifa are.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52157984]Thankfully this is near the end, Antifa has the Feds investigating them.
AKA they did something extremely stupid, and blurted out they used "borrowed" Police munitions.
FBI may be sending people to de-escalate now.[/QUOTE]
These are the kind of claims you need to provide sources for.
[QUOTE=nulls;52157843]Nothing of value would be lost.[/QUOTE]
Is this bait? Anyway, if you seek to eradicate fascists (aka political opponents) via violence, you literally become a fascist. Therefore such task is impossible and attempts to do so will cause nothing but fruitless conflict and lives lost in vain.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;52158320]Is this bait? Anyway, if you seek to eradicate fascists (aka political opponents) via violence, you literally become a fascist. Therefore such task is impossible and attempts to do so will cause nothing but fruitless conflict and lives lost in vain.[/QUOTE]
Combating right wing, genocidal authoritarian ideologies isn't the same thing as wanting to establish a right wing genocidal authoritarian ideology.
While I'll agree that American ANTIFAs take it too far and attack to many average joe conservative groups instead of actual nazis, the concept of antifascism is not wrong.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;52158320]Is this bait? Anyway, if you seek to eradicate fascists (aka political opponents) via violence, you literally become a fascist. Therefore such task is impossible and attempts to do so will cause nothing but fruitless conflict and lives lost in vain.[/QUOTE]
That still doesn't mean nothing of value won't be lost. It doesn't make it one bit ok to sow violence, but I mean comeon, it's fascism, the handicap of political systems.
[QUOTE=ImUnstoppable;52158378]Combating right wing, genocidal authoritarian ideologies isn't the same thing as wanting to establish a right wing genocidal authoritarian ideology.
While I'll agree that American ANTIFAs take it too far and attack to many average joe conservative groups instead of actual nazis, the concept of antifascism is not wrong.[/QUOTE]You're misrepresenting what is being said. Regardless of if the ones being suppressed are fascists or not, who are different from what you're saying anyway, you still become a fascist inherently.
Also, Fascism is not tied to genocide. Helps to know what you're fighting.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52158407]You're misrepresenting what is being said. Regardless of if the ones being suppressed are fascists or not, who are different from what you're saying anyway, you still become a fascist inherently.
Also, [B]Fascism is not tied to genocide.[/B] Helps to know what you're fighting.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust[/url]
Us soldiers were fascists for trying to stop fascism now? I still don't see how you become a fascist by being against fascism. Your horseshoe theory nonsense doesn't apply to the real world y'know.
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