There's like zero motive for that, though. They're both well experienced. I'd put it on the list, but near the bottom
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44202987]What if it was hijacked, but by someone on board using their computer. I don't know if it's possible or not, but if it is, disabling the transponder, taking control of the autopilot isn't that farfetched. Pretty sure those systems are networked together now days. It's the only thing I can think of if not an explosion and instant breakup. There would be too much time to squawk while the door was being kicked in, or at the very least the pilot could hold the trigger on his yoke to transmit what's being said without anyone in the cockpit knowing, even if just for a few seconds, for it to be a traditional hijacking. THEN maybe they breached the cockpit.
Still doesn't explain the disappearance off radar, though[/QUOTE]
Uuuuh. How are you going to hack this?
[IMG]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=33315[/IMG]
Aircraft don't work like that.
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So that's pretty much as farfetched at it can get.
Pretty sure there's a few Boeings where there's systems that actually are on a shared network, and they could potentially be hacked
That autopilot switch, when VNAV and the FD are turned on, it's going off of what the FMC has inputted. The FMC can display information on the ECIAS. It's all connected, and that goes for Most Boeings, Airbuses, and other jets and even smaller aircraft now.
If it's possible to do so, you could modify anything in the FMS and the aircraft's autopilot will follow it. Now the pilot could just jump up and switch the autopilot off, but who's to say what else could or couldn't be done
From what I've been reading, I think we can firmly conclude that the missing plane is likely somewhere on the planet Earth. Maybe. Possibly. Potentially.
South China Sea. Malacca Strait. Indian Ocean. Mars. The hunt continues.
[QUOTE=V12US;44202360]CO poisoning victims don't know they're being poisoned. They just get dizzy and pass out. I don't know if there's some detection equipment aboard airplanes, or if it's even possible at all.[/QUOTE]
I firmly believe that the captain would know if something was up if he began to get light headed. That man knows the 777 better than anyone else with 15,000 hours
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44203167]Pretty sure there's a few Boeings where there's systems that actually are on a shared network, and they could potentially be hacked
That autopilot switch, when VNAV and the FD are turned on, it's going off of what the FMC has inputted. The FMC can display information on the ECIAS. It's all connected, and that goes for Most Boeings, Airbuses, and other jets.[/QUOTE]
But this is not a networked plane. It's a standard 777 built in the nineties. You're talking about planes built in the last five years or so. More importantly, the real world isn't Hollywood.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44203167]Pretty sure there's a few Boeings where there's systems that actually are on a shared network, and they could potentially be hacked
That autopilot switch, when VNAV and the FD are turned on, it's going off of what the FMC has inputted. The FMC can display information on the ECIAS. It's all connected, and that goes for Most Boeings, Airbuses, and other jets.[/QUOTE]
So they just connected to the wifi and hacked 192.168.0.1 then? :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=14733[/url]
This was posted last year
If you somehow managed to hijack a plane via remote connectivity, 1. Why a Malaysian Airliner? 2. How did they get into the network 3. Wouldn't the pilot notice if his EICAS was inputting wrong information or the flight control was disrupted? If a plane has an emergency the first goal of the captain is to shut off Autoflight and autothrottle immediately to take manual control.
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;44203236]So they just connected to the wifi and hacked 192.168.0.1 then? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
The flight computers are not networked to wifi or some other network that passengers can connect to.
[QUOTE=Vilusia;44202879]Well it just did. What now?[/QUOTE]
We wait for something to be found out.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44203252][url]http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=14733[/url]
This was posted last year[/QUOTE]
Literally at the end of the article
[url]http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=14749[/url]
Why am I relying on this thread to see whats going on more than the news?
Because the news sucks.
I read earlier that two of the people on the plane had stolen passports. Mostlikely hijacked.
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-man-stolen-passport-identified-iranian-asylum-seeker-article-1.1717414[/URL]
Edit: So anyone wana retract those boxes?
Called it. The two guys with fake passports were just illegal immigrants. They were trying to get to Germany and seek asylum.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;44203760]I read earlier that two of the people on the plane had stolen passports. Mostlikely hijacked.
[URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-man-stolen-passport-identified-iranian-asylum-seeker-article-1.1717414[/URL][/QUOTE]
they have no apparent terrorist connections
[QUOTE=Mudbone;44203760]I read earlier that two of the people on the plane had stolen passports. Mostlikely hijacked.
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-man-stolen-passport-identified-iranian-asylum-seeker-article-1.1717414[/url][/QUOTE]
Did you even read the article? It says they were asylum seekers.
[QUOTE=aydin690;44203771]Called it. The two guys with fake passports were just illegal immigrants. They were trying to get to Germany and seek asylum.[/QUOTE]
source?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44202987]What if it was hijacked, but by someone on board using their computer. I don't know if it's possible or not, but if it is, disabling the transponder, taking control of the autopilot isn't that farfetched. Pretty sure those systems are networked together now days. It's the only thing I can think of if not an explosion and instant breakup. There would be too much time to squawk while the door was being kicked in, or at the very least the pilot could hold the trigger on his yoke to transmit what's being said without anyone in the cockpit knowing, even if just for a few seconds, for it to be a traditional hijacking. THEN maybe they breached the cockpit.
Still doesn't explain the disappearance off radar, though[/QUOTE]
I think you've been watching a few too many movies.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;44203821]source?[/QUOTE]
"Nourmohammadi was bound for Germany, where he was seeking asylum, Malaysian police chief Keloid Abu Bakar said.
Nourmohammadi’s mother was waiting for him in Frankfurt and contacted authorities after he didn’t show.
"We believe he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group," Khalid said."
same article the guy posted then said it was a hijacking
Read more: [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-man-stolen-passport-identified-iranian-asylum-seeker-article-1.1717414#ixzz2vgWZebse[/url]
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-man-stolen-passport-identified-iranian-asylum-seeker-article-1.1717414[/url]
though the second user of a stolen passport is still unidentified as far as i know.
How strong are cockpit doors? Is it conceivable that hijackers could have gotten into cockpit by blowing the door off, thereby not giving the pilots enough time to do anything.
[QUOTE=aydin690;44203807]Did you even read the article? It says they were asylum seekers.[/QUOTE]
Well lets see what happens if it turns up. It sounds sketchy to me. Dudes with fake passports board plane. Plane vanishes. Have they came up with any other explanation?
Edit: It was hijacked. Anyone wana retract there boxes?
[QUOTE=Chubbs;44203941]How strong are cockpit doors? Is it conceivable that hijackers could have gotten into cockpit by blowing the door off, thereby not giving the pilots enough time to do anything.[/QUOTE]
Strong enough. The flight staff would've known ahead of time. So the pilots would've had minimum 5-10 seconds to do something.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;44204019]Well lets see what happens if it turns up. It sounds sketchy to me. Dudes with fake passports board plane. Plane vanishes. Have they came up with any other explanation?[/QUOTE]
sketchy that his mother was waiting for him in Germany?
I heard from some guy on fox news on tv that past passengers say Malaysia Airlines doesn't have the best track record with keeping the door locked or even closed. If it was hijacked they could've just walked in.
[QUOTE=OvB;44204187]I heard from some guy on fox news on tv that past passengers say Malaysia Airlines doesn't have the best track record with keeping the door locked or even closed. If it was hijacked they could've just walked in.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-co-pilot-invited-tourists-into-cockpit-crazy-security-breach-1439789[/url]
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44203252][url]http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=14733[/url]
This was posted last year[/QUOTE]
He tested that on a simulator. That's a far stretch to use as "evidence".
Besides, the autopilot can [I]always[/I] be disabled or overriden. Any pilot would protest if they were told to work with automatic systems that they could not control should they fail.
It's also a bit disgusting of him to publish something like that before he knows the issue is fixed. Luckily he was wrong all along.
[url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passengers-mobile-phones-ring-not-answered-1439560[/url]
fucking creepy
the cell-phones of passengers ring
(sorry if late)
The good thing about a hijacking is maybe there's a slim chance that everyone is still alive and they've landed at an undisclosed runway somewhere. Does anyone know the possible range on this particular flight?
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However you can't exactly land a 777 at a small unkempt runway so who know at this time.
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