Is this guy saying that an unidentified aircraft that is not responding to ATC, flew all the way across Vietnam and into Chinese airspace without any fighter aircraft being scrambled to intercept? This is China we're talking about, not remote Africa. Yes, the autopilot would have maintained course and altitude but the autopilot would fly the aircraft along the flight plan route—which usually overflies almost directly above HK—right into China.
Yes, the masks do not deploy automatically until cabin altitude reaches 13,500 feet, but an indication would have sounded in the cockpit once it reaches above 10,000 feet, which gives the pilots enough time to deploy the masks. Even at 15,000 feet, the Time of Useful Consciousness is 30 minutes, so a slow depressurisation would not have knocked out the crew.
Finally, even if the SATCOM and all the satellite communications, GPS, etc. were knocked out because of the failure as mentioned in the AD, VHF systems remain operational, in particular the transponder and the ADS-B Out. With these continuing to function, the aircraft would not have simply dropped off the radar scope.
Ah, there goes the counter argument
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44221958] Even at 15,000 feet, the Time of Useful Consciousness is 30 minutes, so a slow depressurisation would not have knocked out the crew.[/QUOTE]
It's a fast decompression of the captain's balls that started it all. See my theory above for details.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44219102]You want us to turn the Hubble towards the sea?[/QUOTE]
Do it, that way we'll find a spacecraft buried in the sea and unite as a peoples.
So the Malaysian authorities denied that the plane flew on after its last known contact
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;44222360]Do it, that way we'll find a spacecraft buried in the sea and unite as a peoples.[/QUOTE]
Last time that happened we lost the whole damn base and most of the crew...
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44222789]Last time that happened we lost the whole damn base and most of the crew...[/QUOTE]
I knew a lot of the Challenger jokes haven't surfaced yet.
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44222851]I knew a lot of the Challenger jokes haven't surfaced yet.[/QUOTE]
I dunno if I'm forgetting something but I was referencing Sphere by Crichton :v:
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44220604]I'm now hearing that, based on the information they have, it's believed that the plane continued flying for 4-5 hours after it disappeared from radar. So yeah. GFL finding it if that's true.
[URL]http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282[/URL][/QUOTE]
Here they say that information is not true.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/malaysian-plane-leads-turn-results-22893434[/url]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44222930]I dunno if I'm forgetting something but I was referencing Sphere by Crichton :v:[/QUOTE]
I was referencing Homeworld, I'd forgotten about Sphere.
A Dutch source is saying that one of the Chinese passengers took lessons with a flight simulator in Sweden in 2006.
Google translated:
[QUOTE]n examining the 239 people who were on board the Boeing 777 missing , particular attention is paid to the 35- year-old Chinese Uighur man Maimaitijiang Abula . This passenger would have taken. Flying lessons in a flight simulator in 2006 in Sweden This reports the Malaysian newspaper Harian Metro .
According to the newspaper , the Maimaitijiang Abula not a suspect in the disappearance of the aircraft , but deepens the police or in his background . The Uighur man would have enjoyed. University education in England Recently, he worked as an art teacher at a university in Turkey.
" We're not saying that he is involved in terrorism , is suspected of sabotage or hijacking the plane, it's just that there is more attention to him because of his background and believe that this is an important element in the investigation ' says the anonymous source in The Harian Metro . Police Commissioner Datuk Hadi Ho Abdullah denies the Malaysian news website AsiaOne incidentally that extra focus is on the Uyghur passenger.
Many relatives of the passengers of the missing device in Beijing still waiting for news of their loved ones. Similarly, the woman's 10-year-old daughter and other relatives of Maimaitijiang Abula. The Abula family lives in the Chinese capital.
Maimaitijiang Abula was with a group of more than 20 Chinese artists on tour. The painters and calligraphers visited Kuala Lumpur in an exhibition at the Oriental Arts Center. Abula there was a distinction.
The Uighurs are a Turkic people from the northwestern Chinese province of Xinjiang. Abula was also born in the region, in the city of Kashgar. The culture of the Islamic nation by the Chinese government has endured suppressed in the province, so no Uyghur should be taught to children, and there are temples, mosques and Islamic schools closed. The Uighur "East Turkestan independence movement" is seen by some countries, including China and the United States, as an Islamic terrorist.
Earlier this month were Uighurs accused of a violent attack with knives and daggers on a Chinese train station. In the attack, 29 people died and 143 people were injured.[/QUOTE]
Source: [url]http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/30360/verdwenen-vlucht-MH370/article/detail/3612448/2014/03/13/Bijzondere-aandacht-voor-Chinese-Oeigoerse-passagier.dhtml[/url]
[quote]The Uighur "East Turkestan independence movement" is seen by some countries, including China and the United States, as an Islamic terrorist.[/quote]
They see an independence movement itself as a terrorist. Astounding. :v:
Gotta love Google Translate sometimes.
[QUOTE=Starscre4M;44223324]Here they say that information is not true.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/malaysian-plane-leads-turn-results-22893434[/url][/QUOTE]
I wish they could have given more proof other than, nope nuh uh there wrong totally didn't fly another 4 hours
why cant they find the plane? im 99% sure it fell into the ocean while flying, [B]stop wasting time on the land and put a submarine there and boats[/B], pretty stupid that they haven't found it already if you ask me. im studying statistics at university so i know what im talking about. here is a picture with crash zones and calculations that i make with complex program excel that i use my statistics knowledge on
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wFQBQHq.jpg[/IMG]
well you can see that m1 m2 m3 m4 is MOST LIKELY location for the plane it have a 25% each to go there so have the boats search that VERY well because that is 100% that the plane is likely there . and well if there was a problems and it go off track there a CHANCE that its in m6 m5 m7 m8 a very low chance . its biggest chance that its in m6 i calculate that using statistics and wind speeds that they have info on , i think its 19% chance that its in m6 so look at that area well . and then finally there is the circle at a5 that is where plane [B]should have highest chance to be in because that where it was going when it dissapeer[/B] so that is 77% chance that the plane is there using statistics
You're leaving out the parts where the plane reportedly did a U-turn and was tracked flying into the Malacca Strait, and the new revelation that it could've been in the air for at least 4 hours after losing contact. Or the fact that they've already searched that area and found not a speck. It could be anywhere from India to the Indian Ocean to the Sea of Japan. They've been searching the area you circled for six days and found not even a seat cushion.
can anyone sum up this whole "smart engine" thing that CNN and Fox have been contradicting each other on? what each is saying is the engines could or could not have been tramsitting engine diagnostic data the entire time
also the problem with them not finding it is that the malaysian military has taken control of the search since day 1 and refuses to let international charter help in
[QUOTE=Sableye;44225250]can anyone sum up this whole "smart engine" thing that CNN and Fox have been contradicting each other on? what each is saying is the engines could or could not have been tramsitting engine diagnostic data the entire time
also the problem with them not finding it is that the malaysian military has taken control of the search since day 1 and refuses to let international charter help in[/QUOTE]
I've heard people say the engines relay diagnostics every 30 minutes to the ground and that they we're relaying for at least 4 hours past it disappearing. But I've also heard that Malaysia said that's not true. Fox News sounds like they're trying to imply it flew to Pakistan which is impossible unless it magically refueled. I don't think anyone really knows where it is still. This whole situation reminds me of Amelia Earhart.
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225150]-lengthy post-[/QUOTE]
Can you provide us with your data and calculations?
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225150]lots-o-shit[/QUOTE]
You're assuming the airplane stopped working when the transponder did. Thats a [I]huge[/I] margin of error in all of your calculations
[QUOTE=Sableye;44225250]
also the problem with them not finding it is that the malaysian military has taken control of the search since day 1 and refuses to let international charter help in[/QUOTE]
Can you find a source on that, because the last i heard at least 6 countries are actively looking for the plane including the US and China.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;44225414]You're assuming the airplane stopped working when the transponder did. Thats a [I]huge[/I] margin of error in all of your calculations[/QUOTE]
ok do you study statistics ?? first of all i dont know what a trnaspoder is i didnt say im an airplane expert . however im expert in statistics and using wind speeds and airplane speeds i calculate that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that i made . there almost 100% chance that its in the box but if theres a miracle it will fly to the triangles to the side . i have put the most likely places that it fell into the ocean. now its just up to the government to use [B]submarine and boat not walking people[/B] to find it . i dont understand why they search that long and dont do it properly
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225601]ok do you study statistics ?? first of all i dont know what a trnaspoder is i didnt say im an airplane expert . however im expert in statistics and using wind speeds and airplane speeds i calculate that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that i made . there almost 100% chance that its in the box but if theres a miracle it will fly to the triangles to the side . i have put the most likely places that it fell into the ocean. now its just up to the government to use [B]submarine and boat not walking people[/B] to find it . i dont understand why they search that long and dont do it properly[/QUOTE]
Have you been paying any attention to this? They've had helicopters and boats from like six different navies, and satellites. I've heard no reports of a ground search. In fact I've only heard about at sea searches.
[editline]13th March 2014[/editline]
An "expert" would know this and account for all the facts. You clearly haven't.
[editline]13th March 2014[/editline]
And it's impossible to be 100% certain in a case like this.
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225601]ok do you study statistics ?? first of all i dont know what a trnaspoder is i didnt say im an airplane expert . however im expert in statistics and using wind speeds and airplane speeds i calculate that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that i made . there almost 100% chance that its in the box but if theres a miracle it will fly to the triangles to the side . i have put the most likely places that it fell into the ocean. now its just up to the government to use [B]submarine and boat not walking people[/B] to find it . i dont understand why they search that long and dont do it properly[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like even if the plane was fine it would have crashed into the ocean. You ignore his statement that the plane may have been operational even after the transponder stopped.
If you want to make a logical approach to something you should first learn about how the thing you are analyzing works.
well whatever if you are so much experts then i dont understand why you havent found the plane then. we will see who is wrong when they find the plane.. i sent the picture to bbc.
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225150]im studying statistics at university so i know what im talking about[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225601]however im expert in statistics and using wind speeds and airplane speeds i calculate that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that i made . [/QUOTE]
I'm normally quite soft on people that come wading in with no real idea but..
Studying a topic at university does [I][B]not[/B][/I] make you an expert in that field. Industry experience in using that knowledge gained through your study in a professional environment brings you closer, but unless you have written and published papers in recognized journals, publications and media and are recognized as an expert in your field by your peers then you really have no lay to claim that you are an expert. You're deluded if you think that just studying a topic makes you an expert in it. Until you apply that study, you are still only - and always will be - a student.
[editline]13th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225811]well whatever if you are so much experts then i dont understand why you havent found the plane then. we will see who is wrong when they find the plane.. i sent the picture to bbc.[/QUOTE]
I can hear them laughing from here.
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225811] if you are so much experts then i dont understand why you havent found the plane then.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.best-cine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Planes-5.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225601]ok do you study statistics ?? first of all i dont know what a trnaspoder is i didnt say im an airplane expert . however im expert in statistics and using wind speeds and airplane speeds i calculate that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that i made . there almost 100% chance that its in the box but if theres a miracle it will fly to the triangles to the side . i have put the most likely places that it fell into the ocean. now its just up to the government to use [B]submarine and boat not walking people[/B] to find it . i dont understand why they search that long and dont do it properly[/QUOTE]
I've studied university level probability theory and statistics for a while, and I'm pretty sure you're not an expert.
[QUOTE=AK'z;44225850][IMG]http://www.best-cine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Planes-5.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
My thoughts summed up exactly and in an appropriately themed image, too. Bravo!
allow me to provide a better graph of where the plane could have gotten itself if it was fully functional and had "4 hours worth of fuel" left after losing contact. At the [url=http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.page]777's cruising speed[/url] of mach 0.84, we're looking at 639.408 mph, or[B] 2,557 miles in 4 hours[/B] before running out of fuel
Given it allegedly headed back southwest, I've highlighted the area to pronounce likeliness of where they're more likely to turn up. It's also likely they could have curved toward australia and ended up in the string of islands along the way but one would think they'd have turned right instead of sharp left, avoiding crossing back over the country it just came from in case radar picked it back up and such
[t]http://i.imgur.com/28yiZUT.png[/t]
[QUOTE=dai;44225912]allow me to provide a better graph of where the plane could have gotten itself if it was fully functional and had "4 hours worth of fuel" left after losing contact. At the [url=http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.page]777's cruising speed[/url] of mach 0.84, we're looking at 639.408 mph, or[B] 2,557 miles in 4 hours[/B] before running out of fuel
Given it allegedly headed back southwest, I've highlighted the area to pronounce likeliness of where it went.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/28yiZUT.png[/t][/QUOTE]
I'm sure it went further than that.
If the plane was originally heading to beijing, why doesn't it have enough fuel to go there? The plane lost contact en-route and only after then radar picked up its flightpath deviation.
[QUOTE=adam1172;44225986]I'm sure it went further than that.
If the plane was originally heading to beijing, why doesn't it have enough fuel to go there? The plane lost contact en-route and only after then radar picked up its flightpath deviation.[/QUOTE]
rounding out 4 hours of fuel could be anything just short of 5 depending on how vague someone's being about it, I wasn't paying attention to where beijing was but it looks like the rough calculation was pretty close then. 4.5 hours would way overextend the area
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