Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 'Loses Contact' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dai;44225912]allow me to provide a better graph of where the plane could have gotten itself if it was fully functional and had "4 hours worth of fuel" left after losing contact. At the [url=http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.page]777's cruising speed[/url] of mach 0.84, we're looking at 639.408 mph, or[B] 2,557 miles in 4 hours[/B] before running out of fuel Given it allegedly headed back southwest, I've highlighted the area to pronounce likeliness of where they're more likely to turn up. It's also likely they could have curved toward australia and ended up in the string of islands along the way but one would think they'd have turned right instead of sharp left, avoiding crossing back over the country it just came from in case radar picked it back up and such [t]http://i.imgur.com/28yiZUT.png[/t][/QUOTE] That graph was clearly not made in MS Paint. Please try harder next time. Really though, that's a lot of ocean to search. I hope this doesn't become another story where they don't find it for over a year.

[QUOTE=dai;44225912]allow me to provide a better graph of where the plane could have gotten itself if it was fully functional and had "4 hours worth of fuel" left after losing contact. At the [url=http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.page]777's cruising speed[/url] of mach 0.84, we're looking at 639.408 mph, or[B] 2,557 miles in 4 hours[/B] before running out of fuel Given it allegedly headed back southwest, I've highlighted the area to pronounce likeliness of where they're more likely to turn up. It's also likely they could have curved toward australia and ended up in the string of islands along the way but one would think they'd have turned right instead of sharp left, avoiding crossing back over the country it just came from in case radar picked it back up and such [t]http://i.imgur.com/28yiZUT.png[/t][/QUOTE] Terrific effort, thanks :)

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225601]ok do you study statistics ?? first of all i dont know what a trnaspoder is i didnt say im an airplane expert . however im expert in statistics and using wind speeds and airplane speeds i calculate that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that i made . there almost 100% chance that its in the box but if theres a miracle it will fly to the triangles to the side . i have put the most likely places that it fell into the ocean. now its just up to the government to use [B]submarine and boat not walking people[/B] to find it . i dont understand why they search that long and dont do it properly[/QUOTE] You still have giving no data or calculations. Without allowing us to replicate what you did yourself, your information can only be taken with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=dai;44226048]rounding out 4 hours of fuel could be anything just short of 5 depending on how vague someone's being about it, I wasn't paying attention to where beijing was but it looks like the rough calculation was pretty close then. 4.5 hours would way overextend the area[/QUOTE] and after it would run out of fuel the airplane could still glide at cruising altitude for another 120 miles. Theres a lot of land to cover, but not a like of facts other than when it lost contact

[QUOTE]"Commercial jets are designed with a maximum 10-ft/s sink rate. That is, with total engine failure, the craft will fall ten feet per second (roughly 100 feet every ten seconds -- or if operating at 43,000 feet, it would take about 71 minutes to reach sea level.)"[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how high the plane had got, but if anyone knows, I'm sure it would be easy enough to work out the distance it could have "glided"?

[QUOTE=Four20;44226482]I'm not sure how high the plane had got, but if anyone knows, I'm sure it would be easy enough to work out the distance it could have "glided"?[/QUOTE] The plane was at cruising height so it would have been at about 35,000ft

[QUOTE=Code3Response;44226323]and after it would run out of fuel the airplane could still glide at cruising altitude for another 120 miles. Theres a lot of land to cover, but not a like of facts other than when it lost contact[/QUOTE] if you look at the left half of the circle on my map, the scale legend was pasted in a number of times to find the radius. each bar is 500 miles, so you're looking at only about 1/5th that length extra. Not much compared to the already massive area

[QUOTE=Grimhound;44220701]If this is true, it means we're either never going to find wreckage save for satellites or that it was hijacked and flown to Pakistan. Okay. Maybe not Pakistan specifically. But Pakistan has the history behind it. [/QUOTE] That's seeming much more probable now (maybe not from Pakistan though). If the flight engines kept running and the transponder could be manually shut off, it would have definitely been possible to reach land

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-malaysia-airline-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802[/url] [quote]It's not clear what the indication was, but senior administration officials told ABC News the missing Malaysian flight continued to "ping" a satellite on an hourly basis after it lost contact with radar. The Boeing 777 jetliners are equipped with what is called the Airplane Health Management system in which they ping a satellite every hour. The number of pings would indicate how long the plane stayed aloft.[/quote] Wow, I never even knew that technology existed.. Learn something new everyday!

There's already fakes of the plane being found on Facebook. [url]http://mark.beautyspaguide.com/[/url] Oh, internet, you disappoint me.

[QUOTE=imacc2009;44227578]There's already fakes of the plane being found on Facebook. [url]http://mark.beautyspaguide.com/[/url] Oh, internet, you disappoint me.[/QUOTE] Love how that video thumbnail is a 737.

[QUOTE=runtime;44227624]Love how that video thumbnail is a 737.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's trip to the Bermuda Triangle transformed it.

[QUOTE=Ataso;44227776]Maybe it's trip to the Bermuda Triangle transformed it.[/QUOTE] this deserves a SyFy channel B-Movie

[QUOTE=dai;44227821]this deserves a SyFy channel B-Movie[/QUOTE] It can be like Storm Of The Century, with Willem Dafoe starring as some lovecraftian horror in human form.

[QUOTE=dai;44225912]allow me to provide a better graph of where the plane could have gotten itself if it was fully functional and had "4 hours worth of fuel" left after losing contact. At the [url=http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.page]777's cruising speed[/url] of mach 0.84, we're looking at 639.408 mph, or[B] 2,557 miles in 4 hours[/B] before running out of fuel Given it allegedly headed back southwest, I've highlighted the area to pronounce likeliness of where they're more likely to turn up. It's also likely they could have curved toward australia and ended up in the string of islands along the way but one would think they'd have turned right instead of sharp left, avoiding crossing back over the country it just came from in case radar picked it back up and such [t]http://i.imgur.com/28yiZUT.png[/t][/QUOTE] Have you taken into account the glide ratio from its cruising altitude?

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;44228008]Have you taken into account the glide ratio from its cruising altitude?[/QUOTE] The diagram is if the aircraft was fully functional and with 4 hours of fuel. So that diagram encompasses the best glide distance of the aircraft loosing engine power.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;44228008]Have you taken into account the glide ratio from its cruising altitude?[/QUOTE] there's a few posts about it on this page [QUOTE=dai;44226779]if you look at the left half of the circle on my map, the scale legend was pasted in a number of times to find the radius. each bar is 500 miles, so you're looking at only about 1/5th that length extra. Not much compared to the already massive area[/QUOTE]

I may say something stupid here but, in the film Enemy of the State they had that live feed satellite thingy to track down Will Smith, do we not have any of that stuff? That could cover such a wide area in very short time? I know a Satellite would have had to been over the area and been recording for it to all work but surly we have something like that?

They still haven't found the plane? For one thing we all can be sure, is that they are all dead. No fucking way they can manage to go by so many days without contacting or making an emergency broadcast. 2014, and I believed things like this could not happen due to technology nowadays. Crap

[QUOTE=Four20;44228316]I may say something stupid here but, in the film Enemy of the State they had that live feed satellite thingy to track down Will Smith, do we not have any of that stuff? That could cover such a wide area in very short time? I know a Satellite would have had to been over the area and been recording for it to all work but surly we have something like that?[/QUOTE] If we have any Hollywood live-feed satellites the government has never told us. Spy satellites have to be ordered to take pictures of an area in advance. And they're only stills.

[QUOTE=OvB;44228337]If we have any Hollywood live-feed satellites the government has never told us. Spy satellites have to be ordered to take pictures of an area in advance. And they're only stills.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.skyboximaging.com/products/pixels[/url] It's possible to get video in advance, I wonder there will ever be sufficient density that there's a short lead-time.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44228336]They still haven't found the plane? For one thing we all can be sure, is that they are all dead. No fucking way they can manage to go by so many days without contacting or making an emergency broadcast. 2014, and I believed things like this could not happen due to technology nowadays. Crap[/QUOTE] well ifthe govenrment actually listen to my advice maybe they will find it..

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44229039]well ifthe govenrment actually listen to my advice maybe they will find it..[/QUOTE] for the love of god, stop.

[QUOTE=OvB;44228337]If we have any Hollywood live-feed satellites the government has never told us. Spy satellites have to be ordered to take pictures of an area in advance. And they're only stills.[/QUOTE] But...I understand there are two types of satellites. The ones you mention which have to wait a time before reaching a zone and the ones which are always on top of some target/area.

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44229039]well ifthe govenrment actually listen to my advice maybe they will find it..[/QUOTE] there's people with far more training than a stats major with poor english and far more experience in determining locations of downed aircraft [editline]13th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44229393]But...I understand there are two types of satellites. The ones you mention which have to wait a time before reaching a zone and the ones which are always on top of some target/area.[/QUOTE] a geosync satellite would be pretty bad at intel, because you'd be stuck over one area of the planet. and even if we did have geosync spy sats, why would we position one over bumfuck nowhere in the middle of the pacific ocean

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44225150]im studying statistics at university so i know what im talking about.[/QUOTE]I'm studying Computer Science at University, so why hasn't garry hired me yet?

to explain how orbital mechanics works here's pretty pictures [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z3CxSOOaxEs/UyJhL_GWgtI/AAAAAAAAHPs/NnP8ZbU69hY/s0/MapOfEarth2.png[/img] the angle between blue line (0degrees) and the red line is the orbital inclination. depending on that inclination you'll get more or less coverage of the world assuming that these lines are more or less parallel (which they aren't), this would be one coverage of the planet the reason they have to wait time before taking a picture is because they aren't in the right place yet [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CHIhcDpiRy4/UyJhuYS4G-I/AAAAAAAAHP0/bKNxnD1pZtI/s0/MapOfEarth3.png[/img] a crypto guide in orbital paths

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44229039]well ifthe govenrment actually listen to my advice maybe they will find it..[/QUOTE] Mr. Sindri335, on behalf of the NSA*, I apologize for not considering your advice earlier. I can't believe we didn't think to use submarine and boat not walking people before. All this time, we were confused by the lack of trnaspoder information, but this search could have gone much faster had we considered that ther eis NO chance (0%) that the airplane can go beyond those lines that you made. I am truly baffled that your genius has gone unnoticed for so long. (*Nincompoop Scorching Agency)

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44229039]well ifthe govenrment actually listen to my advice maybe they will find it..[/QUOTE] A Norwegian University Student that is studying stats. [i]Statistics: The practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities, esp. for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample.[/i] [i]Student: a person who is studying at a school or college[/i] No where in your credentials does it say Search and Rescue, or recovery, or expert on any of the aforementioned subjects I listed.

[QUOTE=Sindri335;44229039]well ifthe govenrment actually listen to my advice maybe they will find it..[/QUOTE] The government doesn't give a fuck about your specializations because they're retarded and illogical