[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;44264077]Haha, I like how they chose to use Warthog silhouettes for the patrol aircraft.
I'm just imagining dozens of A-10's scouring the crash site.[/QUOTE]
I thought us Brits had a few assets out there searching?
[url]http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68[/url]
interesting theory. I dont think its realistic, but its something I never thought of
[QUOTE=Code3Response;44265265][url]http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68[/url]
interesting theory. I dont think its realistic, but its something I never thought of[/QUOTE]
That would be some seriously crazy shit if that ends up being true.
At this point just about anything outside of Aliens and wormholes seems possible.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;44265265][url]http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68[/url]
interesting theory. I dont think its realistic, but its something I never thought of[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;K53bEDOTYrU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K53bEDOTYrU[/video]
the most interesting part comes from the info related to the engines link sending data to theirs manufacturer
according to that the plane climbed higher than recommended max altitude for that airplane
after some time dropped to below avg cruising altitude
both would indicate try to avoid normal flight levels
and the higher altitude would give max reachable distance advantage ...
btw. i find funny you can disable normal responder so easily, that shall be hardcoded w/o off switch
the engine's data are now invaluable ...
[QUOTE=Dwarden;44267059]
btw. i find funny you can disable normal responder so easily, that shall be hardcoded w/o off switch
the engine's data are now invaluable ...[/QUOTE]
As per the transponder being shut off, in case of an electrical fire you need to be able to shut down any and all electrical equipment to try and stop the fire from spreading. I know many people will question allowing pilots to disable equipment after this event but it is a necessary feature for safety. The reason cockpits are so cluttered is because if something happens pilots need to be able to turn on/off specific systems or change settings, that is why there cant be a "start plane" "turn plane off" button and nothing else like a car.
I do propose that there should be a GPS tracking system that is isolated with its own internal battery that cannot be accessed and would not create a fire hazard so in case of hijackings there is still a way to track the aircraft.
[QUOTE=muffinmastah;44267258]As per the transponder being shut off, in case of an electrical fire you need to be able to shut down any and all electrical equipment to try and stop the fire from spreading. I know many people will question allowing pilots to disable equipment after this event but it is a necessary feature for safety. The reason cockpits are so cluttered is because if something happens pilots need to be able to turn on/off specific systems or change settings, that is why there cant be a "start plane" "turn plane off" button and nothing else like a car.
I do propose that there should be a GPS tracking system that is isolated with its own internal battery that cannot be accessed and would not create a fire hazard so in case of hijackings there is still a way to track the aircraft.[/QUOTE]
so engines can send the data automatically and position transponder can't ? bit ironical
i'm pretty sure the tracking&response system can be made in way where it don't need to be shutdown unless you shutdown everything on plane
The transponder is designed to "reply" to ground tracking system signals with a preset code and altitude. The transponder itself isn't transmitting the position, the ground station is what uses the return signal (like a radar) to then get position, and speed.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_(aviation)"]Wiki[/URL]
[editline]17th March 2014[/editline]
So basically the transponder is used to aid ATC in managing airspace by giving them more information about each "blip" than a simple radar. Now about the disabling of the transponder, it is not required equipment to fly an airplane and thus must be able to be shut off completely due to the nature of electrical fires. Literally any loose wire can cause all kinds of problems in an airplane and fires spread really quick so there's nothing that can be done about transponders. The first priority of pilots is to fly the airplane, followed by navigating. Communicating with ATC or having radios or transponders on is the absolute last priority in an emergency.
again you missed the point the engines already have automated transmitter sending data to manufacturer non-stop on repeated intervals ...
w/e ...
[QUOTE=Dwarden;44272391]again you missed the point the engines already have automated transmitter sending data to manufacturer non-stop on repeated intervals ...
w/e ...[/QUOTE]
And you must have missed where [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-data-transmissions-report-raises-questions/]Malaysia Airlines didn't get that option.[/url]
[QUOTE=darunner;44272914]And you must have missed where [URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-data-transmissions-report-raises-questions/]Malaysia Airlines didn't get that option.[/URL][/QUOTE]
yet i'm not talking about that specific flight but in general ... the engine report system is fully automated
unless engine are shutdowned it reports state on engines via ACARS via radio or satellite in range each hour ....
one of the indications is that one was disabled much later than the normal transponder system
[URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-probe-digs-into-past-of-all-on-board-missing-boeing-777/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.fuse.tv/2014/03/courtney-love-missing-flight-370"]Apparently Courtney Love may have discovered the wreckage.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;44264627]Welcome to finding a needle in a haystack where we dont even know where the haystack is[/QUOTE]
well actually we have some sort of idea where it might have gone, an expert investigator made this chart detailing with 99.9999% accuracy where the plane might be located
[img]http://i.imgur.com/wFQBQHq.jpg[/img]
538 has an interesting article about stats and finding the plane
[url]http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-statisticians-could-help-find-flight-370/[/url]
[QUOTE=Bazsil;44273253]well actually we have some sort of idea where it might have gone, an expert investigator made this chart detailing with 99.9999% accuracy where the plane might be located
[img]http://i.imgur.com/wFQBQHq.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
how do you determine accuracy if you don't know the targets actual location
[editline]ass[/editline]
i'm serious.
So now the prevailing theory is apparently that someone hacked the flight computer to make the autopilot fly the plane to Australia.
What the fuck?
EDIT: I'm not fucking around. Look.
[t]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi_QJ8FCQAIH2Sl.jpg:large[/t]
[QUOTE=Bazsil;44273253]well actually we have some sort of idea where it might have gone, an expert investigator made this chart detailing with 99.9999% accuracy where the plane might be located
[img]http://i.imgur.com/wFQBQHq.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I like how he calculated -57% for M8 as if the plane left a message "Wrong Way"
[QUOTE=343N;44273656]how do you determine accuracy if you don't know the targets actual location
[editline]ass[/editline]
i'm serious.[/QUOTE]
Statistics
He's an expert at it
[QUOTE=Bellstrom;44273216][URL="http://www.fuse.tv/2014/03/courtney-love-missing-flight-370"]Apparently Courtney Love may have discovered the wreckage.[/URL][/QUOTE]
#SatelliteOfLove
lmao
In this day and age, I would have thought you could just stream blackbox data to the ground and store it in servers in a huge warehouse or something, It would make finding problems and downed aircraft a lot easier surely?
[QUOTE=Four20;44278195]In this day and age, I would have thought you could just stream blackbox data to the ground and store it in servers in a huge warehouse or something, It would make finding problems and downed aircraft a lot easier surely?[/QUOTE]
i feel like that might be a horrible security risk though
The search area is now as big as Australia.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44278239]i feel like that might be a horrible security risk though[/QUOTE]
Not if it was only steaming out, not allowing anything to come in, and of course it would still have a hard copy locally.
[QUOTE=Four20;44278195]In this day and age, I would have thought you could just stream blackbox data to the ground and store it in servers in a huge warehouse or something, It would make finding problems and downed aircraft a lot easier surely?[/QUOTE]
I'm amazed that the NSA hasn't already devised a way to tap into black boxes wirelessly at will.
[QUOTE=Four20;44278333]Not if it was only steaming out, not allowing anything to come in, and of course it would still have a hard copy locally.[/QUOTE]
I think it would be, regardless of the direction of transmission. If those servers were compromised then location data on all airliners would be available to unauthorized parties. That in itself would be a huge concern, but what if that same technology captured transponder data on special (non-public) flights - for example Royal Flights in the UK or Presidential Flights in the US? You could argue not to capture flight data for these flights or don't capture so much of the flight data, but then that defeats the point of the system in itself - doesn't it?
The end conclusion is it would be a logistical nightmare, not just technically but from an architectural viewpoint, to design, implement and secure a system like this. It's been thought of before and the closest the industry has come to implementing something like it is ACARs. Even then as seen on MH370, it is unpredictable and to conform to all manner of flight safety issues it must have the option to be removed/switched off as necessary.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;44274420]So now the prevailing theory is apparently that someone hacked the flight computer to make the autopilot fly the plane to Australia.[/QUOTE]
It's not true. It's pretty much impossible. The FMC (Flight Management Computer) is closed circuit, it can't get any outside signals. It's also extremely unlikely someone would be able to upload a virus or something, as it uses a very proprietary piece of software to run. Someone in the cockpit could plug in new waypoints if they wanted to. But the pilots are going to notice an unexpected turn, especially going almost 180 degrees from their intended flight path.
This is from a video game, but it's a well programmed simulation of the FMC process:
[video=youtube;OXFig3B1ghI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFig3B1ghI[/video]
[quote]Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan, who are seeking to oust foreign troops and set up an Islamic state, said the missing plane had nothing to do with them.
"It happened outside Afghanistan and you can see that even countries with very advanced equipment and facilities cannot figure out where it went," he said. "So we also do not have any information as it is an external issue."
A commander with the Pakistani Taliban, a separate entity fighting the Pakistani government, said the fragmented group could only dream about such an operation.
[b]"We wish we had an opportunity to hijack such a plane,"[/b] he said by telephone from the lawless North Waziristan region.[/quote]
[url]http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-we-wish-we-had-an-opportunity-to-hijack-such-a-plane-says-pakistani-taliban-commander-20140318-hvjvp.html[/url]
So... Um, yeah. The Taliban is apparently not involved.
[QUOTE=darunner;44278720]It's not true. It's pretty much impossible. The FMC (Flight Management Computer) is closed circuit, it can't get any outside signals. It's also extremely unlikely someone would be able to upload a virus or something, as it uses a very proprietary piece of software to run. Someone in the cockpit could plug in new waypoints if they wanted to. But the pilots are going to notice an unexpected turn, especially going almost 180 degrees from their intended flight path.
This is from a video game, but it's a well programmed simulation of the FMC process:
[video=youtube;OXFig3B1ghI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFig3B1ghI[/video][/QUOTE]
As awful as that video is - because it pains me that modern, desktop flight simulation still looks as flat and 2D as they did in 1999 - it's actually a pretty accurate example of how an FMC/CDU is unavailable to the outside world and can not be interacted with through conventional means. The only method of interacting with that unit is through the buttons on its front panel - no other system (other than itself) can interact with it.
[QUOTE=runtime;44279192]As awful as that video is - because it pains me that modern, desktop flight simulation still looks as flat and 2D as they did in 1999[/QUOTE]
Here ya go :)
[video=youtube;4lhCTvflODQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhCTvflODQ[/video]
[QUOTE=darunner;44281328]Here ya go :)
[video=youtube;4lhCTvflODQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhCTvflODQ[/video][/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but as much as the exterior visuals and the exterior aircraft model have progressed - the cockpits in FSX/P3D all look too flat and bland to me. Desktop simulation has come a long way and I suppose to some extent, it doesn't matter how nice it looks - because it is a simulator - but for the amount of GPU resources that software hogs, for the relatively poor visual quality, it's really quite poor.
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