Oh, so NOW people are thinking bomb/explosion. A plane showing zero signs of problems suddenly disappearing without any communication wasn't evidence of a sudden breakup enough?
Also, a Winglet falling off an aircraft does not even affect the performance of an aircraft at all. At worst they'd get slightly less range, and any drag imbalance could be solved by feeding fuel from the 'heavier' side to the opposite tank if needed. It happens sometimes. They're only there to increase fuel efficiency
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;44174626]would be unstable as heck but it would probably still be in the air[/QUOTE]
winglets are there just to increase fuel efficiency
they prevent air from sliding off the wing. if the winglets broke off their only danger is running out of fuel but they would just land elsewhere if that was the case
[QUOTE=FFStudios;44173297]To anyone that hasn't and is interested in plane crash survival statistics, check out Discovery's documentary "How A Plane Crashes". They intentionally crash a 747 into a desert to see how the test dummies fare in the impact.[/QUOTE]
it was a 727
[video=youtube;B_fNxVyZCDo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fNxVyZCDo[/video]
the 777 doesn't have winglets
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;44174730]Could it have just exploded? That's what I've been thinking. Dudes got onboard with bombs or something and blew up the plane. Either way, I think we're gonna find out in the coming weeks.[/QUOTE]
ok... a bomb you build ON a plane can't generally blow up a plane, a bomb that you bring on a plane can but only if its in the right place to cripple the plane's key systems even then unless its huge its not going to turn the plane into a fireball
unless its big and obvously a bomb basically it won't be able to blow up a plane
[QUOTE=meppers;44175029]winglets are there just to increase fuel efficiency
they prevent air from sliding off the wing. if the winglets broke off their only danger is running out of fuel but they would just land elsewhere if that was the case[/QUOTE]
o if its just a winglet but to me that looks like more of the main wing section came off too but w/e
[QUOTE=meppers;44175050]it was a 727
[video=youtube;B_fNxVyZCDo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fNxVyZCDo[/video][/QUOTE]
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I love finland
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;44175072]o if its just a winglet but to me that looks like more of the main wing section came off too but w/e[/QUOTE]
Judging by the ailerons. A good 4-6ft of the wing came off there.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44174949]Oh, so NOW people are thinking bomb/explosion. A plane showing zero signs of problems suddenly disappearing without any communication wasn't evidence of a sudden breakup enough?
Also, a Winglet falling off an aircraft does not even affect the performance of an aircraft at all. At worst they'd get slightly less range, and any drag imbalance could be solved by feeding fuel from the 'heavier' side to the opposite tank if needed. It happens sometimes. They're only there to increase fuel efficiency[/QUOTE]
Planes can explode in the sky mid-air with a mechanical fault, of course it has to be a huge mechanical fault to blow up a plane mid-air but yeah something does seem suspicious with the 2 people flying with fake passports
[QUOTE=meppers;44175050]it was a 727
[video=youtube;B_fNxVyZCDo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fNxVyZCDo[/video][/QUOTE]
yeah i wrote that just before i went to work and looked it up while there, i was wrong on the title AND the plane :v:
[QUOTE=adam1172;44174509][t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32814946/140308-malaysian-jet-collision-0912_8785483b83a985db9ae72716530f46ff.jpg[/t]
I highly doubt it. The plane would probably still be able to fly if this happened mid air.[/QUOTE]
No, I mean the [i]entire[/i] wing. Depending on how hard it hit the parked aircraft, it could've twisted or damaged the internal structure.
In 2006, a Boeing 737 had its wing sliced in half by an Embraer Legacy business jet. Before the crew could react, the plane entered a dive and broke up from the near-supersonic forces. If a sudden failure of the wing occurred on the Malaysia Airlines flight, the crew wouldn't have time to say something to Air Traffic Control before they crashed into the ocean.
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;44175052]the 777 doesn't have winglets[/QUOTE]
Some do, some don't. Depends on the model.
[QUOTE=adam1172;44175097]Judging by the ailerons. A good 4-6ft of the wing came off there.[/QUOTE]
ailerons are at the end of the wing for a reason, judging from the photo the portion after the last slat is the bit that broke off, that's hardly 4-6 feet
[QUOTE=jordguitar;44175218]Some do, some don't. Depends on the model.[/QUOTE]
are you sure
i've never seen a 777 with winglets
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;44175052]the 777 doesn't have winglets[/QUOTE]
2 variants of the 777 have winglets. Sort of. They're not traditional ones you see on other aircraft like a 737 or Airbus, but supposedly they work even better, but the 777's wingtips are already built in such a way that they don't need winglets
[img]http://airchive.com/galleries/american-airlines-boeing-777-300er-on-gate-2013-23-raked-wingtip_26464.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44172931]Oh jesus fucking christ, I was tempted due to this to thread to hear ATC recordings.
And the one of the 2010 Polish Air Force accident just freaked me the fuck out....hearing those screamings at the end and the rush of air plus those awful WOOOP WOOOP PULL UP WOOOP WOOOP PULL UP is just too fucking creepy.
Man, say air accidents are few compared to land/sea ones, but hell, I'm 100% sure I would rather be in one in land/sea than in air.[/QUOTE]
Man, just listened to it. Fucking scary.
Should check this one out
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD4fYxDRNwA[/media]
189 of the nearly 300 people survived. An engine basically exploded and caused all the hydraulics to fail. The only thing these pilots could do to control the aircraft was use the remaining 2 engines
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQqkiNTYEvg[/media]
Pretty good fuckin' effort on the pilot's parts
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;44175718]Man, just listened to it. Fucking scary.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;CFj-ieWbv-w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFj-ieWbv-w[/video]
Yeah, way too fucking scary.
[QUOTE]189 of the nearly 300 people survived. An engine basically exploded and caused all the hydraulics to fail. The only thing these pilots could do to control the aircraft was use the remaining 2 engines
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is the one I was making a reference to before:
[QUOTE]Unless the pilots are some fucking cracks that they manage to land without control and only by maneuvering thanks to one engine or ditch it into a river, hell yeah.[/QUOTE]
I thought they had only used one engine because the other one had sent some shrapnel due to a malfunction or something alike.
It did, but it was a DC-10. It has 3 engines. The one at the top is the one that fucked up.
Also, does anyone else think that it's probably common as shit for people to get on planes with stolen passports? And we're only hearing about it because this aircraft crashed?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44177052]It did, but it was a DC-10. It has 3 engines. The one at the top is the one that fucked up.
Also, does anyone else think that it's probably common as shit for people to get on planes with stolen passports? And we're only hearing about it because this aircraft crashed?[/QUOTE]
It really probably is more common than you would think.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44177052]It did, but it was a DC-10. It has 3 engines. The one at the top is the one that fucked up.
Also, does anyone else think that it's probably common as shit for people to get on planes with stolen passports? And we're only hearing about it because this aircraft crashed?[/QUOTE]
It's probably an accident, but you know, media fear mongering.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44174949]Oh, so NOW people are thinking bomb/explosion. A plane showing zero signs of problems suddenly disappearing without any communication wasn't evidence of a sudden breakup enough?
Also, a Winglet falling off an aircraft does not even affect the performance of an aircraft at all. At worst they'd get slightly less range, and any drag imbalance could be solved by feeding fuel from the 'heavier' side to the opposite tank if needed. It happens sometimes. They're only there to increase fuel efficiency[/QUOTE]
Rated disagree (sorry!) and then re-read and rated agree. Although aircraft can "drop off the scope" due to reasons other than it breaking up/suffering structural failure. That said, it's looking most probable that something unexpected has happened to this flight.
maybe it landed at an airport in the middle of bumfuck, china?
[QUOTE=weedscopes;44179726]maybe it landed at an airport in the middle of bumfuck, china?[/QUOTE]
If it did landed in China, someone would have known. Majority of the passengers were Chinese Nationals. They would know and would have called.
I find it kind of crazy how even with all our advanced technology, we still can't find the plane. I assumed it would have been located within hours.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;44180366]I find it kind of crazy how even with all our advanced technology, we still can't find the plane. I assumed it would have been located within hours.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that the planet is really fucking huge.
This just came through
[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-family-chinese-passenger-says-mobile-pho[/url]
[quote]Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Family of Chinese passenger says mobile phone working[/quote]
[QUOTE=matty928;44180496]This just came through
[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-family-chinese-passenger-says-mobile-pho[/url][/QUOTE]
Can't they track that?
[QUOTE=matty928;44180496]This just came through
[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-family-chinese-passenger-says-mobile-pho[/url][/QUOTE]
That's just bizarre.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44165619]My guess is a bomb, or something that caused an explosion and breakup on the spot[/QUOTE]
You stop that.
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;44180800]You stop that.[/QUOTE]
Stop what? Its more probable than a hijacking. A 777 just doesnt lose both radar and radio contact at once.
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