Israeli troops fire on Palestinian protesters along Syria, Gaza, and Lebanon borders

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29845680]No one is to blame but Israel for their lack of regard for basic human rights. That's pretty pathetic and we might as well blame the Allies for being so harsh on poor little Germany by imposing the Treaty of Versailles, then 'provoking them'

I think you got it completely confused, it's the opposite other way around: [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL]

[URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4[/URL]

Or if you don't wanna watch videos:

[URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians[/URL]

This video right?

[URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL]

[URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE[/URL]

That's not proof, that's called propaganda. It's taking parts of the video out of context and trying to make it look like their using human shields hence the sudden cut off in the beginning etc.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't aware of the information that Israel started it first, thanks for it. However there is still evidence that Hamas used civilian structures as mortar bases.

Also, I don't see a "cutoff" at the beginning of the second video, only switching to footage of Hamas using children as shields.

If it is so out of context, how come the first instance, the kid looks like he is trying to get away, but the Hamas members manhandle him to keep the kid in front of them.

In the second one, how come out of a group of children, a Hamas member runs up and kidnaps ONE instead of telling them all to move out of the way.

[lulzbocksV2]

Lol we're lucky that the Christians don't really give a shit about Jerusalem anymore.

Otherwise it would be a clusterfuck.

[carcarcargo]

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29845763]Lol we're lucky that the Christians don't really give a shit about Jerusalem anymore.

Otherwise it would be a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the pope would love to go in, but there isn't a lot he can do with the Swiss guard.

[PunchedInFac]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29845686]Its all something I like to call the Facepunch Effect.

Its basically the bandwagon effect except it comes from just reading the thread title.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.
You just tried to trivialize the deaths of human beings and the turmoil in the country by keeping your side.

Thank you for showing me the extent of human idiocy and apathy.

Thank you for showing me what a pathetic waste of conscious thought you are.
Truly, I do thank you.

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29845730][URL="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0720/breaking50.html"][/URL]
[URL]http://www.btselem.org/english/Settler_Violence/20061029_Olive_Harvest.asp[/URL]
[URL]http://electronicintifada.net/content/amnesty-israeli-authorities-must-put-immediate-end-settler-violence/457[/URL][/QUOTE]

At least the Israelis aren't kidnapping and dismembering innocents.

[PunchedInFac]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29845805]At least the Israelis aren't kidnapping and dismembering innocents.[/QUOTE]

worse.
White phosphorus.

[carcarcargo]

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29845802]Thank you.
You just tried to trivialize the deaths of human beings and the turmoil in the country by keeping your side.

Thank you for showing me the extent of human idiocy and apathy.

Thank you for showing me what a pathetic waste of conscious thought you are.
Truly, I do thank you.[/QUOTE]

Stop trying to be such a moralist. I'll admit that the Israeli military acted rather ham handed but they were hardly unprovoked in this case.

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29845802]Thank you.
You just tried to trivialize the deaths of human beings and the turmoil in the country by keeping your side.

Thank you for showing me the extent of human idiocy and apathy.

Thank you for showing me what a pathetic waste of conscious thought you are.
Truly, I do thank you.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for flaming me for no reason other than supporting Israel.

If it makes you happier I don't like Israel, I accepted the challenge to support it. Also if you don't believe me refer to my post where I literally compared Israel to a serial killer.

[editline]15th May 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29845833]worse.
White phosphorus.[/QUOTE]

People can survive white phosphorus.

People don't survive literally being beaten to death and disembowled.

[PunchedInFac]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29845837]Thanks for flaming me for no reason other than supporting Israel.

If it makes you happier I don't like Israel, I accepted the challenge to support it.

[editline]15th May 2011[/editline]

People can survive white phosphorus.

People don't survive literally being beaten to death and disembowled.[/QUOTE]

Here's the thing.
Surviving WP is worse than being dismembered, the pain is unimaginable. You would a charred husk, though alive.

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29845903]Here's the thing.
Surviving WP is worse than being dismembered, the pain is unimaginable.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure it is, but thats by a belligerent military.

What I am talking about is CIVILIANS kidnapping others and brutally murdering them just because they are white (look like israelis) or israeli.

[PunchedInFac]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29845836]Stop trying to be such a moralist. I'll admit that the Israeli military acted rather ham handed but they were hardly unprovoked in this case.[/QUOTE]

Ham handed?
They killed 12 people.

[Florence]

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;29845763]Lol we're lucky that the Christians don't really give a shit about Jerusalem anymore.

Otherwise it would be a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE]
Christians fundies want the Jews there so that the Final Judgement can arrive sooner.

Anyways, good job Israel. Keep those nigg-I mean Palestinians down. Who cares about humans rights when you can just shoot down humans, am I right?

Hahaha, it's funny... Because crimes against humanity are being committed.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29845755]
In the second one, how come out of a group of children, a Hamas member runs up and kidnaps ONE instead of telling them all to move out of the way.[/QUOTE]
Are you watching the same video?

There's a kid in the middle of the road, he seems distressed. And there's a group of people cowering behind a pillar from something, maybe an ongoing firefight.

Then the Hamas dude comes and swoops him in and takes him to a crowd near an ambulance, that is no where near kidnapping, more like saving him.

[carcarcargo]

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29845936]Ham handed?
They killed 12 people.[/QUOTE]

Who attacked them

[PunchedInFac]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29845929]I'm sure it is, but thats by a belligerent military.

What I am talking about is CIVILIANS kidnapping others and brutally murdering them just because they are white (look like israelis) or israeli.[/QUOTE]

What about the hate crimes by israeli nationals done on palestinians who lived in land they wanted to colonize?

[editline]15th May 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29845959]Who attacked them[/QUOTE]

There are riots over sport that degenerate into worse spectacles that receive better treatment than this.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29845929]I'm sure it is, but thats by a belligerent military.

What I am talking about is CIVILIANS kidnapping others and brutally murdering them just because they are white (look like israelis) or israeli.[/QUOTE]
Stop trying to make it seem so exclusive - only Israelis are victim to your unsourced "frequent kidnappings"

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre[/url]

[Glorbo]

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29845903]Here's the thing.
Surviving WP is worse than being dismembered, the pain is unimaginable. You would a charred husk, though alive.[/QUOTE]
The exception being that I didn't see anyone cheer when that happened.

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;29845995]The exception being that I didn't see anyone cheer when that happened.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure where you get these claims that people "cheer" when an Israeli is kidnapped, but here is something similar (except these are Israelis)

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/more%20girls%20signing%20bombs.2.jpg"][IMG]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/more%20girls%20signing%20bombs.2.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/israeli%20girls%20signing%201.jpg"][IMG]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/israeli%20girls%20indoctrinated%201.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/israeli%20girls%20signing%202.jpg"][IMG]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/israeli%20girls%20indoctrinated%202.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[Thomas45]

[QUOTE=Florence;29845941]Christians fundies want the Jews there so that the Final Judgement can arrive sooner. [/QUOTE]

No not really. You can't speed up Bible Prophecy.

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29845994]Stop trying to make it seem so exclusive - only Israelis are victim to your unsourced "frequent kidnappings"

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre[/url][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/video-islamists-hang-italian-kidnapped-in-gaza/article1987109/[/url]

same guy

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13088630[/url]

[url]http://articles.cnn.com/2007-03-20/world/btsc.wedeman_1_gaza-alan-johnston-kidnapping?_s=PM:WORLD[/url]

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/mar/12/middleeastthemedia.broadcasting1[/url]

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/17/world/rash-kidnappings-gaza-challenges-authority-palestinian-government.html[/url]

I didn't know French and Italians were from Israel.

[captainHOE]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29846064]I'm not sure where you get these claims that people "cheer" when an Israeli is kidnapped, but here is something similar (except these are Israelis)

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/more%20girls%20signing%20bombs.2.jpg"][img_thumb]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/more%20girls%20signing%20bombs.2.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL]

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/israeli%20girls%20signing%201.jpg"][img_thumb]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/israeli%20girls%20indoctrinated%201.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL]

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/israeli%20girls%20signing%202.jpg"][img_thumb]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/israeli%20girls%20indoctrinated%202.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL][/QUOTE]
They were encouraged to do that by the cameraman.

[CabooseRvB]

I say Israelis have every right to be militant and protective of their sovereignty. Denying sovereignty to another country such as Palestine however, their cause appears to be on a very, very, very shaky foundation.

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29846064]I'm not sure where you get these claims that people "cheer" when an Israeli is kidnapped, but here is something similar (except these are Israelis)

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/more%20girls%20signing%20bombs.2.jpg"][img_thumb]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/more%20girls%20signing%20bombs.2.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL]

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/israeli%20girls%20signing%201.jpg"][img_thumb]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/israeli%20girls%20indoctrinated%201.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL]

[URL="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/1600/israeli%20girls%20signing%202.jpg"][img_thumb]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7760/1663/320/israeli%20girls%20indoctrinated%202.jpg[/img_thumb][/URL][/QUOTE]

[url]http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/pro-israel-activist-brutally-attacked-outside-celebrate-palestine-festival/[/url]

Palestinians at a rally beat the shit out of a pro-Israeli activist, while saying "Why did the jews walk so meekly into the gas chambers" and "why can't that happen to Israel.

also about the celebration.

[url]http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/palestinians-celebrate-horrific-murder.html[/url]

[url]http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2011/03/palestinians-in-gaza-celebrate-massacre.html[/url]

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29846123][URL]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/video-islamists-hang-italian-kidnapped-in-gaza/article1987109/[/URL]

same guy

[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13088630[/URL]

[URL]http://articles.cnn.com/2007-03-20/world/btsc.wedeman_1_gaza-alan-johnston-kidnapping?_s=PM:WORLD[/URL]

[URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/mar/12/middleeastthemedia.broadcasting1[/URL]

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/17/world/rash-kidnappings-gaza-challenges-authority-palestinian-government.html[/URL]

I didn't know French and Italians were from Israel.[/QUOTE]
Yes, these are abductions carried out by fucking idiots, but they dropped significantly due to Hamas apparently stopping them.

There's no cheering and celebrating the abductions- oh wait unless you meant this [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/italian-peace-activist-murdered-gaza"]Palestinians rally to mourn kidnapped Italian activist murdered by extremists[/URL]

[editline]15th May 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;29846237][URL]http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/pro-israel-activist-brutally-attacked-outside-celebrate-palestine-festival/[/URL]

Palestinians at a rally beat the shit out of a pro-Israeli activist, while saying "Why did the jews walk so meekly into the gas chambers" and "why can't that happen to Israel.

also about the celebration.

[URL]http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/palestinians-celebrate-horrific-murder.html[/URL]

[URL]http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2011/03/palestinians-in-gaza-celebrate-massacre.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Hahaha no.

Blogspot or Wordpress is not a source.

[Uberman77883]

The sources I posted above show that people were handing out candy to celebrate the murder of an Israeli child.

[captainHOE]

[quote]Blogspot or Wordpress is not a source.[/quote]
And conspiracy websites are...

[Glorbo]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29846239]Yes, these are abductions carried out by fucking idiots[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well, Baruch Goldstein was kind of a fucking idiot as well.

[PunchedInFac]

[QUOTE=captainHOE;29846378]And conspiracy websites are...[/QUOTE]

So the guardian is a conspiracy website.
Well you learn something new everyday

[Uberman77883]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;29846239]Yes, these are abductions carried out by fucking idiots, but they dropped significantly due to Hamas apparently stopping them.

There's no cheering and celebrating the abductions- oh wait unless you meant this [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/italian-peace-activist-murdered-gaza"]Palestinians rally to mourn kidnapped Italian activist murdered by extremists[/URL]

[editline]15th May 2011[/editline]

Hahaha no.

Blogspot or Wordpress is not a source.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://my.telegraph.co.uk/riteman/riteway/16309180/palestinians-celebrate-murder-of-children/[/url]

[url]http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19762&posts=6[/url]

[Starpluck]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;29846390]Yeah, well, Baruch Goldstein was kind of a fucking idiot as well.[/QUOTE]
Yes, when I said that I was implying it as everyone's thoughts pertaining to the matter, as opposed to everyone celebrating his death as he initially claimed.