South Korea will bomb North Korea via jets if it attacks one more time, declared Def. Min. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=brianosaur;26466227]instead of bombing non-significant home's, why not start bombing the important shit like government buildings and the location of kim jong-il.[/QUOTE] This.

[QUOTE=Kommunist;26465311]NK has some nukes. They could launch anytime and erase Seul all of a sudden. After all those countries are too close for an effective early warning system to assist SK. After Seul gets nuked, NK would have won the war, and then they won't care if they get nuked by US. That's the commie way of thinking. And although maybe China doesn't support NK anymore, they could retaliate against US if some missile gets wrong and hits beyond the chinese border. WWIII anyone? :v:[/QUOTE] 1: North Korea's nukes are not sufficiently advanced for launching them by missile i.e. not small enough. Keep in mind the missile of theirs that work were designed for small, working Soviet warheads. The missiles of their that could carry a heavy warhead don't work as they should i.e. falling into the ocean. Their nukes are, at best, equivalent to the ones dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 2: China is not going to go apeshit if a missile goes off-course and hits a patch of grass on their side. Proportional response; they'll get pissed, but so long as it's clearly not intentional and doesn't strike a major populated area, they're not going to go to war over it, and certainly not for North Korea's benefit. 3: No. For the final fucking time [b]there is not going to be a Third World War over North Korea.[/b] World wars start, at the very least, with groups of allies. North Korea has none. [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;26465447]WW1 started by the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand and his wife... Vietnam started because of a, 'supposed' attack from PT Boats on American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. Shall I continue?[/QUOTE]No, you'd just make yourself look like more of a moron. You do know that WW1 didn't come out of absolutely nowhere as soon as that bullet hit the Archduke? You do realise that tensions were building up [B]YEARS[/B] before the assassination? You're aware of the US government at the time subscribing to the Domino Theory, and what that meant for their sphere of influence in Asia? How about the crises facing the Kennedy administration well before the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and how Communist victory in Vietnam would fatally weaken US credibility? [QUOTE=Kendra;26465731]It did though. Arch Duke Ferdinand's assasination was the reason Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia which then ended up getting allies involved, and so came the First World War. The Second World War was started because Hitler (who ironically enough was chosen because Germany was in a horrible place because of the First World War and the punishment Germany received, which is why the German people chose Hitler because he promised revenge, etc., so in essence both World Wars were caused by that one assasination) invaded Poland. So really, one event can really cause a full blown war.[/QUOTE]If the assassination hadn't happened, something else would have triggered it. Shit had been primed to hit the fan for quite a while at that point.

[img]http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20101203/capt.ffd869d9fc03400c85eb4f5400f27ca9-ffd869d9fc03400c85eb4f5400f27ca9-0.jpg?x=400&y=250&q=85&sig=pK80cMoaFsauja0HdbSJ0A--[/img] Must suck to work your ass off all day and then come home to a smoking pile of rubble

I'm really split on this. On one hand, I really want it to be finished and North Korea to have their asses wooped, on the other hand, I really don't like China's uncertain diplomatic relations, and the ultimate consequences that might follow (nuclear war). But I say they should go all-in now before later, things can almost only get worse, and a final showdown seems inevitable.

Again, China is a little on the fence because they have to deal with refugees or defectors of NK. If they didn't give two shits about them, they wouldn't help NK at all. So basically, no World War 3 yet, since North Korea has 0 allies. I think even China wants NK gone.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26467105]1: North Korea's nukes are not sufficiently advanced for launching them by missile i.e. not small enough.[/QUOTE] Actually NK performed a test launch of a missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads last year. The missile was designed to attack targets at Alaska or even the West Coast. We shouldn't underestimate NK capabilities, since most of their military projects are kept in absolute secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have world-wide range ICBM's

[QUOTE=Kommunist;26468773]Actually NK performed a test launch of a missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads last year. The missile was designed to attack targets at Alaska or even the West Coast. We shouldn't underestimate NK capabilities, since most of their military projects are kept in absolute secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have world-wide range ICBM's[/QUOTE]Their warheads cannot fit onto those missiles, however. Nuclear-capable ballistic missiles and warheads capable of fitting onto those missiles can be done separately. To put it into perspective; the Taepodong 2 is estimated to have a payload capacity of 500kg. Fat Man, the bomb dropped on Nagasaki, weighs 4600kg, and is roughly equivalent to the estimated yield of North Korea's nuclear tests according to Russia's estimates (most other countries put it significantly lower; in the range of single-digit kilotons)

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26469444]Their warheads cannot fit onto those missiles, however. Nuclear-capable ballistic missiles and warheads capable of fitting onto those missiles can be done separately. To put it into perspective; the Taepodong 2 is estimated to have a payload capacity of 500kg. Fat Man, the bomb dropped on Nagasaki, weighs 4600kg, and is roughly equivalent to the estimated yield of North Korea's nuclear tests according to Russia's estimates (most other countries put it significantly lower; in the range of single-digit kilotons)[/QUOTE] Again, they're estimates. North Korea's actual military stats are more classified than the US's for the most part.

[QUOTE=faze;26469966]Again, they're estimates. North Korea's actual military stats are more classified than the US's for the most part.[/QUOTE]Missile and nuke tests cannot be hidden, due to their need to be tested to make sure the bloody things actually work. Missile payload can be ascertained from it's constituent parts e.g. the Taepodong-2 consists of a Musadan-1 missile, the second stage being one of their Scud variants. Also one can use size as another way to estimate e.g. fuel capacity. The nuclear bomb yield can be determined from seismic readings, as indeed they were. We may not know specifics, yes; but I [i]highly[/i] doubt they've got a few SS-18s hiding somewhere, or W87s. We can have a pretty decent estimate of their capabilities, and that's all that's needed.

[QUOTE=faze;26463711]They keep saying shit like this every single fucking day. They just change up their method of attack. SK government are a bunch of pussies, moreso than the North.[/QUOTE] That's because they don't want a war. Admittedly that's almost inevitable if NK gets cocky again.

Honestly? I think a night-time full powered air strike, coordinated between land-based SK forces and carrier-based American aerial forces could completely wipe out any and all artillery pieces in range of the SK capital. Think about it: plot out every and all visible artillery and rocket positions, map them out, assign individual squadrons to each target, and it's a done deal. Do it at night, and you could have every major fire base wiped off the face of the planet in a matter of minutes.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;26470807]Honestly? I think a night-time full powered air strike, coordinated between land-based SK forces and carrier-based American aerial forces could completely wipe out any and all artillery pieces in range of the SK capital. Think about it: plot out every and all visible artillery and rocket positions, map them out, assign individual squadrons to each target, and it's a done deal. Do it at night, and you could have every major fire base wiped off the face of the planet in a matter of minutes.[/QUOTE] Because bombing artillery pieces that are hidden in mountains is so easy. :downs:

Why would the US even use planes? Surely drones would be more effective, can run for longer and incur no risk of loss of life? Though on the balance, I don't think a full out war is unlikely to develop.

The US military could destroy North Korea with a flick of a wrist. Why not do it already?

[QUOTE=SNNS-SEAN;26471714]The US military could destroy North Korea with a flick of a wrist. Why not do it already?[/QUOTE] because something brown and slimy may hit the fan

God dammit, when the fuck's this gonna blow over?

I heard some shit is going down right now. Is it true?

If South Korea fires back all hell will break loose. Its like being bullied. The bully is North Korea. You get so tired of the bully you fight back [editline]3rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;26472147]I heard some shit is going down right now. Is it true?[/QUOTE] Yup.

[QUOTE=TAU!;26472058]God dammit, when the fuck's this gonna blow over?[/QUOTE] Tensions are rising right now. If Kim was smart he'd stop it here. I'd give it another two weeks before shit hits the fan or nothing happens.

Everyone else sees that as a threat, north karea sees it as a challenge

North Korea still has all it's weapons pointed at the capital, ready to strike, SK can't do shit. [editline]3rd December 2010[/editline] :page3:

[QUOTE=ewitwins;26470807]Honestly? I think a night-time full powered air strike, coordinated between land-based SK forces and carrier-based American aerial forces could completely wipe out any and all artillery pieces in range of the SK capital. Think about it: plot out every and all visible artillery and rocket positions, map them out, assign individual squadrons to each target, and it's a done deal. Do it at night, and you could have every major fire base wiped off the face of the planet in a matter of minutes.[/QUOTE] Do you people ever THINK before you come up with these half-baked scenarios?

North Korea is like the retarded douchebag that keeps bullying the shy and small kid South Korea, until one day SK will totally kick NK's ass, or maybe they won't kick their ass but they'll get lots of help from other people who actually respect SK...

[QUOTE=ewitwins;26470807]Honestly? I think a night-time full powered air strike, coordinated between land-based SK forces and carrier-based American aerial forces could completely wipe out any and all artillery pieces in range of the SK capital. Think about it: plot out every and all visible artillery and rocket positions, map them out, assign individual squadrons to each target, and it's a done deal. Do it at night, and you could have every major fire base wiped off the face of the planet in a matter of minutes.[/QUOTE] They have firebases that are [i]inside[/i] the mountains.