Professor claims Sandy Hook massacre 'may not have happened' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=itisjuly;39179889]Yeah no. We're discussing possible options instead of blindly taking what's fed to us. You don't know shit about what I think so don't spout bullshit please.[/QUOTE] Considering the government having a secret army of actors sworn to secrecy running around faking massive tragedies is on par with or more absurd than pretty much every conspiracy short of shape-shifting lizard men, if you believe this, there's no reason not to believe they pulled off the far easier task of hijacking a plane or blowing up a levee.

[QUOTE=Wyvers;39179995]So what conclusion is that? Correct me if I'm wrong but he doesn't say "I believe THIS happened", he's saying "I believe this MAY have happened" which like I said, is simply questioning.[/QUOTE]He's starting under the assumption that the story is wrong, and then trying to find evidence and twist it to support that conclusion.

[quote]Over a series of posts, the university professor raises reservations over why family members of victims were ‘almost wholly absent from public scrutiny[/quote] uhh how about because these people just lost their children. this guy is actually retarded

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39179963]You're blindly taking this article.[/QUOTE] I'm not, I never agreed with the article nor did I claim that I did.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;39180005]He's starting under the assumption that the story is wrong, and then trying to find evidence and twist it to support that conclusion.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that he assumed that the story was wrong before he found any evidence to support that? What makes you think that? [QUOTE=Mingebox;39180000]Considering the government having a secret army of actors sworn to secrecy running around faking massive tragedies is on par with or more absurd than pretty much every conspiracy short of shape-shifting lizard men, if you believe this, there's no reason not to believe they pulled off the far easier task of hijacking a plane or blowing up a levee.[/QUOTE] Yes that is a pretty absurd claim, but considering that some small details may have been changed/kept from the public isn't quite as absurd.

[QUOTE]why there were no photos of a mass evacuation of the school.[/QUOTE] This is the most interesting part for me...

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;39178684]if you want free speech, then everything must be discussable, everything must be accessible, all notions must be entertained. [editline]11th January 2013[/editline] you understand that's a beretta M93R in that video, right? a fully-automatic pistol. the killer was using a semi-auto pistol at sandy hook iirc. [editline]11th January 2013[/editline] correction, it's a beretta M92 modified to fire in full auto.[/QUOTE] if it was full auto the bullets would have been inconstantly shot out... [QUOTE=wickedplayer494;39179786]Finally, a conspiracy theorist that isn't a total nut and at least provides (some) evidence to back his claim up.[/QUOTE] conspiracy theorist on about staging a school shooting isn't a total nut LMAO at least he isn't saying the holocaust was staged...

[QUOTE=garychencool;39180141]This is the most interesting part for me...[/QUOTE] If there were photos: "How convenient that a photographer just happened to be on hand!"

The most simple answer is probably the actual answer, which is a guy went nuts and shot a bunch of people. The amount of resources it takes to stage something like this, or 9/11, has tons of factors that have to work out just to make it seem like the event wasn't staged at all. I'm not saying you shouldn't question facts presented to us, but you can't just assume everything is a crazy conspiracy. You have to trust probability.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39179164]If they share the same methodology in their research however, then they are all systematically flawed. Most conspiracy theories I have seen, are rather quick to shy away from the scientific method. Whilst they may have some stuff right, they don't actually provide proper reasoning and evidence for how they got to that conclusion.[/QUOTE] Conspiracy theorists are anti-intellectualists and have the "little guy is good, big guy is evil" mindset.

Wasn't there another conspiracy that claimed drugs were used to make people go crazy and shoot stuff for some reason? [QUOTE=Jsm;39179071]Isn't this the standard situation with any incident that is still "hostile"? Its quite common to hear about medical people being held back till something is safe.[/QUOTE] Yeah this. Paramedics are usually prevented from entering 'hot' areas until the police have them secure.

I blame overall shitty media reporting as opposed to some sort of conspiracy theory for these inconsistencies.

I can't even imagine how many people would need to be in on this in order for it to work. 100? 150? More? It doesn't matter. The point is, do you really think all of them would be completely okay with murdering innocent children in order to possibly further their political agenda? And do you think NONE of them would leak to the world what actually happened? So which do you think is more likely? A government conspiracy involving hundreds of people, murdering children for the sake of furthering their agenda, or a lone madman with a gun trying to get on the news? These are just some the questions I feel I have to ask myself before I even consider buying into conspiracy theories like this one.

[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39180517]I can't even imagine how many people would need to be in on this in order for it to work. 100? 150? More? It doesn't matter. The point is, do you really think all of them would be completely okay with murdering innocent children in order to possibly further their political agenda? And do you think NONE of them would leak to the world what actually happened? So which do you think is more likely? A government conspiracy involving hundreds of people, murdering children for the sake of furthering their agenda, or a lone madman with a gun trying to get on the news? These are just some the questions I feel I have to ask myself before I even consider buying into conspiracy theories like this one.[/QUOTE] It's possible

I personally believe that the shooting wouldn't of occurred if the shooter was pulled aside when he first flunked the 4473, and was asked pretty nicely, 'Why are you trying to purchase a firearm?'

I think the media/government may have a large part in startng these things, as the media coverage has been amazingly massive.

[quote]Twenty children and six adults were killed in the Sandy Hook shooting by 20-year-old gunman, Adam Lanza, on December 14, 2012.[/quote] Why end the column with this. Also it's things like these that spark my imagination and worry me at the same time. Mainly because the possibility and motives exist for this [I]to[/I] be staged, just like 9/11. Then again, there's always the possibility that the Hindenburg was staged to bring down the blimp industry, so I don't know.

can you just imagine a bunch of CIA black ops guys storming the elementary school mowing down kids and teachers and shit? what do you even do in that situation

[quote]No stranger to conspiracy theories, having also raised questions over the assassination of JFK and 9/11[/quote] literally the only part of the article you need to read

[QUOTE=rrunyan;39180743]Why end the column with this. Also it's things like these that spark my imagination and worry me at the same time. Mainly because the possibility and motives exist for this [I]to[/I] be staged, just like 9/11. Then again, there's always the possibility that the Hindenburg was staged to bring down the blimp industry, so I don't know.[/QUOTE]There is possibility and motive for everything to be staged. Under that mindset, your entire life could be a real-world version of the Truman Show.

But my distant second cousin was the teacher that got shot in the back of the head execution style in the shooting. Maybe the government kidnapped her and sent her off to a place where nobody will find her I guess.

[QUOTE=BenJammin';39180853]But my distant second cousin was the teacher that got shot in the back of the head execution style in the shooting. Maybe the government kidnapped her and sent her off to a place where nobody will find her I guess.[/QUOTE] Yea goverment has kidnapped her, held in a prison were jfkennedy, michael jackson and few others live and breath today. They just hidden so government can make lies. Also Osama bin ladin is also there having his cup of tea as we speak. ..

[QUOTE=TheHydra;39180802]literally the only part of the article you need to read[/QUOTE]Umm, what?

How dare you guys feed this obvious conspiracy theorist. Look at the grief. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlbMKlK-SIA[/media] Now look at it again with out the cut. (Excuse the bias title of the video) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFghciyKDiA[/media] Is that not really odd? Questionable? Now you may argue he was an attorney or someone they knew who could talk about the story and the parents grief for them- but he starts off by saying he is the father and he lost his son. I hate to have to add to this, but seeing people just throw all question out the window is frustrating to watch. There is legitimately something wrong with this over all story. Be it snippets of interviews or just inconsistencies like the fire arms used. It doesn't feel "complete" [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQ3hPcxdQA]Or even this guy[/url][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alp64daGTSo]; he is just weird.[/url] He has a few inconsistencies, but even with those forgiven he says some weird statements like "It was that-(Reporter says the name) It was that very pretty twenty seven year old teacher" That to me is just so out of place. In my mind, I have set this guy aside in my head and just labelled him as probably a bit crazy- but hes a psychiatrist. He deals with mental health. Then there is the two arrests, and only one man is charged. The second man was the man seen running through the forest with police on his tail. Why was he running? Why isn't he being talked about? No News cooperation are talking about him- I'd like to think its out of privacy if he wasn't associated to the shooting. But that feels like a stretch, we know what the media does, and they do not care who's lives they ruin in the pursuit of a story. For instance, look at that poor kid on Facebook who shared the name of the shooter; they kept showing pictures of him and saying he murdered these kids long after he was making posts on his Facebook and twitter about not being the person. I didn't even think about this shooting and the parts of it until I watched a video last night ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_b9hh2lp3I]Here[/url]) showcasing the odd behaviours of the people involved as well as all the inconsistencies of the information. As well yes, that video is packed full of conspiracy bullshit- namely the "This isn't what grief looks like" argument. But even this video and its parts have enough to make me ask questions. I think you guys should ask the questions too; actually view the content of the arguments.

[QUOTE=Av7A;39181093]How dare you guys feed this obvious conspiracy theorist. Look at the grief. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlbMKlK-SIA[/media] Now look at it again with out the cut. (Excuse the bias title of the video) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFghciyKDiA[/media] Is that not really odd? Questionable? Now you may argue he was an attorney or someone they knew who could talk about the story and the parents grief for them- but he starts off by saying he is the father and he lost his son. I hate to have to add to this, but seeing people just throw all question out the window is frustrating to watch. There is legitimately something wrong with this over all story. Be it snippets of interviews or just inconsistencies like the fire arms used. It doesn't feel "complete" [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQ3hPcxdQA]Or even this guy[/url][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alp64daGTSo]; he is just weird.[/url] He has a few inconsistencies, but even with those forgiven he says some weird statements like "It was that-(Reporter says the name) It was that very pretty twenty seven year old teacher" That to me is just so out of place. In my mind, I have set this guy aside in my head and just labelled him as probably a bit crazy- but hes a psychiatrist. He deals with mental health. Then there is the two arrests, and only one man is charged. The second man was the man seen running through the forest with police on his tail. Why was he running? Why isn't he being talked about? No News cooperation are talking about him- I'd like to think its out of privacy if he wasn't associated to the shooting. But that feels like a stretch, we know what the media does, and they do not care who's lives they ruin in the pursuit of a story. For instance, look at that poor kid on Facebook who shared the name of the shooter; they kept showing pictures of him and saying he murdered these kids long after he was making posts on his Facebook and twitter about not being the person. I didn't even think about this shooting and the parts of it until I watched a video last night ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_b9hh2lp3I]Here[/url]) showcasing the odd behaviours of the people involved as well as all the inconsistencies of the information. As well yes, that video is packed full of conspiracy bullshit- namely the "This isn't what grief looks like" argument. But even this video and its parts have enough to make me ask questions. I think you guys should ask the questions too; actually view the content of the arguments.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010s[/url] Again, why would they need to fake a school shooting? Faking a school shooting in order to ban guns is like faking a car accident in order to ban cars. [editline]11th January 2013[/editline] Also, What is more likely, that the government faked a massacre involving dozens of family members/witnesses/police/doctors/funeral homes/ reporters/ etc. Or the guy just doesn't give a shit about his kid?

I am not stating that its faked. I actually worded my post to avoid that; because I don't think it. I know with a post like mine you are tempted to ask me the question of "why?" as if I had it all thought out, but I don't know it. I am just pointing out what I have observed; and as an on looker it strikes me as odd, as I think it does with many other people- including some on this forum. [QUOTE=Glorbo;39181124] [editline]11th January 2013[/editline] Also, What is more likely, that the government faked a massacre involving dozens of family members/witnesses/police/doctors/funeral homes/ reporters/ etc. Or the guy just doesn't give a shit about his kid?[/QUOTE] The likeliness of something doesn't [I]always[/I] make it correct you know. Just because we haven't found life in space doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The realm of possibility and all that. Lack luster analogy, but I think you get what I am saying. But I know you want me to pick one, and I am sure you are happy to know I'd pick the "Not giving a damn" option. Even if it goes against what I believe about the "Black and white" mentality.

Now I might have overlooked this in the article, but how exactly does he explain the twenty dead children and six dead adults? Is he arguing that they were killed by a government hit squad? They were never killed at all?

I don't buy this false flag shit, but did you guys even watch that video? Really, whats with that shit?

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;39181289]I don't buy this false flag shit, but did you guys even watch that video? Really, whats with that shit?[/QUOTE] I saw that a week after the shooting and it's been confusing me ever since. Why would a father of a slain child be joking and laughing before a press interview, then seem to get into character when the cameras are actually on him?

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;39181303]I saw that a week after the shooting and it's been confusing me ever since. [B]Why would a father of a slain child be joking and laughing before a press interview, then seem to get into character when the cameras are actually on him?[/B][/QUOTE] It happens at funerals all the time, particularly when you're about to speak your piece about the deceased. When my grandfather died my mother did roughly the same thing.