Vatican condemns attack on Rome church during protest. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jobby;32828441] Also, Facepunch Atheists have come a long way. I remember a time when a video like this would have been seen as a major victory in the fight against Christianity. It's nice to see people condemning people who say dumb shit.[/QUOTE] Too bad facepunch has a whole has become more racist and sexist than it was in 2007 [editline]17th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;32827716]I would completely disagree, especially if someone lost their life. What good are those rights to the person who is now dead? But if they aren't going to do it peacefully they should at least have the intelligence to target those who are harming them, not just attacking everything, including innocents.[/QUOTE] Anger isn't an emotion known for being controlled, and while the individuals doing it should face the consequences I think you're underestimating the lasting positive effect a riot can have. In a corrupt system such as Italy, maybe a flaming car and busted window or two is what's needed.

[QUOTE=Beaverlake;32827343]Burning cars and vandalizing stores is stupid as fuck, but I'm all for the destruction of churches and christian symbols. Religion is a plague, one of the worst diseases in human history.[/QUOTE] Religion is a great thing. It gives people hope and allows them to continue their life. It teaches them valuable lessons.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32828509] Anger isn't an emotion known for being controlled, and while the individuals doing it should face the consequences I think you're underestimating the lasting positive effect a riot can have. In a corrupt system such as Italy, maybe a flaming car and busted window or two is what's needed.[/QUOTE] Attacking unrelated peoples property will simply strengthen anger towards them, and thus devalue their cause. Yes Italy is full of corruption, so bad that even Berlusconi was trying to fight some of it in the legal system, but there are better ways of doing this without mindless thuggery.

[QUOTE=joost1120;32828629]Religion is a great thing. It gives people hope and allows them to continue their life. It teaches them valuable lessons.[/QUOTE] Say that to gay people. It is SUPPOSED to be giving people hope, but it only gives some people hope, and calls others heretics.

[QUOTE=joost1120;32828629]Religion is a great thing. It gives people hope and allows them to continue their life. It teaches them valuable lessons.[/QUOTE] It tells people what to do, and what not to do. It stunts development of society. True, it does make some people feel for hopeful, in some cases. But like I said, it stunts society's development.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;32830568]It tells people what to do, and what not to do. It stunts development of society. True, it does make some people feel for hopeful, in some cases. But like I said, it stunts society's development.[/QUOTE] So in your view society will be at its pinnacle when no-one has any kind of moral code?

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32830631]So in your view society will be at its pinnacle when no-one has any kind of moral code?[/QUOTE] Are you saying us atheists are immoral cunts that do whatever the fuck they want because we have no "moral code" the church taught us?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32830730]Are you saying us atheists are immoral cunts that do whatever the fuck they want because we have no "moral code" the church taught us?[/QUOTE] Read the post he replied to.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32830631]So in your view society will be at its pinnacle when no-one has any kind of moral code?[/QUOTE] Religious people are just as likely to commit acts of violence as any atheist so don't even try to pull that "moral code" bull. There are atheists who kill, and there are christians who kill. There are atheists who steal and rape, and there are christians who steal and rape. Religion does almost nothing to prevent these acts, aside from state that "it's bad, don't do it." Some religions don't even go that far.

[QUOTE=john_frohman;32830773]Read the post he replied to.[/QUOTE] I did, doesn't explain that guys response and my post still stands.

[QUOTE=oldeskoolfan;32830857]Religious people are just as likely to commit acts of violence as any atheist so don't even try to pull that "moral code" bull. There are atheists who kill, and there are christians who kill. There are atheists who steal and rape, and there are christians who steal and rape. Religion does almost nothing to prevent these acts, aside from state that "it's bad, don't do it." Some religions don't even go that far.[/QUOTE] He was saying that setting out a moral code stunts society.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;32830568]It tells people what to do, and what not to do. It stunts development of society. True, it does make some people feel for hopeful, in some cases. But like I said, it stunts society's development.[/QUOTE]So, by your logic, laws are bad for society.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32827336]Italians have a right to be really fucking angry[/QUOTE] Doesn't make their actions in this case justifiable. It take a real kind of asshole to say "I'm angry at the Government, let's attack this Church!"

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;32827302]Wow, these Occupy events need to get their shit together. More and more people are showing up who protest for the sake of simply doing it and vandalize for the kicks/thievery. Needless to say it's tearing down the movement's reputation...[/QUOTE] One article about an allied protest outside the US and all of the sudden it's "tearing down the movement's reputation"? How can you possibly come to that conclusion so quickly?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32830730]Are you saying us atheists are immoral cunts that do whatever the fuck they want because we have no "moral code" the church taught us?[/QUOTE] Are you saying atheism isn't a religion?

[QUOTE=oldeskoolfan;32830857]Religious people are just as likely to commit acts of violence as any atheist so don't even try to pull that "moral code" bull. There are atheists who kill, and there are christians who kill. There are atheists who steal and rape, and there are christians who steal and rape. Religion does almost nothing to prevent these acts, aside from state that "it's bad, don't do it." Some religions don't even go that far.[/QUOTE] Over 75% of jailed people are religious

[QUOTE=znk666;32831562]Over 75% of jailed people are religious[/QUOTE] So what?[U][/U][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ARIS2008-3"] [/URL] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States[/url] "The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity"]Christians[/URL], mostly within [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism"]Protestant[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church"]Catholic[/URL] denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively." This isn't even accounting for every other religion present in the U.S., and I'm sure the numbers are similar in other countries.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;32831607]So what?[U][/U][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#cite_note-ARIS2008-3"] [/URL] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States[/url] "The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity"]Christians[/URL], mostly within [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism"]Protestant[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church"]Catholic[/URL] denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively." This isn't even accounting for every other religion present in the U.S., and I'm sure the numbers are similar in other countries.[/QUOTE] [quote]The Netherlands is one of the most secular countries in Western Europe, with only 39% being religiously affiliated (31% for those aged under 35), and fewer than 20% visiting church regularly.[79] According to the most recent Eurobarometer poll 2005,[80] 34% of the Dutch citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 37% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force", and 27% that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or life force".[/quote]

Not that I support this, but that video is fucking hillarious. The way he holds the statue and then throws it on the street like "FUK YEA ATHEISM" :v: and then everyone is like "What the hell man.."

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32831828] ... [/QUOTE] Doing that is not going to help your case at all. You are making yourself out to be an anti-religious extremist and legitimate, fair atheists viewing this thread are probably embarrassed by your behavior.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;32831499]Are you saying atheism isn't a religion?[/QUOTE] it isn't.

[QUOTE=CatFodder;32833545]it isn't.[/QUOTE] Oh but it is. It's the belief that there is no God or gods, and disbelief in a supreme being or beings. Isn't religion just the sum of people's beliefs about God/gods/the supernatural? Do you have no beliefs about God, or gods? Equally, are you denying disbelief in a supreme being or beings?

Don't really get how people want separation of church and state, then go attack churches during political protests. It's pretty contradictory.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;32827350]The problem is identified, the solution isn't.[/QUOTE] [url]https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/[/url] What you're saying is "If you think it's bad, you do better". Like Zeke said, they don't need to know exactly how to fix it in order to demand it be fixed. But they did find some people who do know it and got them to make this list. Do people a favor and spread it around.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32830631]So in your view society will be at its pinnacle when no-one has any kind of moral code?[/QUOTE] Morality is doing something nice because it's the right thing to do. Religion is doing it because you're told to. [editline]17th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;32831180]So, by your logic, laws are bad for society.[/QUOTE] Okay, I worded it wrong. But you still get my point. [editline]17th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32831079]He was saying that setting out a moral code stunts society.[/QUOTE] "Act like this, and you will end up in the perfect paradise for all of eternity." Moral code, or set of rules?

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32830631]So in your view society will be at its pinnacle when no-one has any kind of moral code?[/QUOTE] Religion provides no more of a moral code than the French side of my cereal box

I fail to see how desecrating a church is justified because the Italian government is bad, etc. What does a church have to do with the government? Please explain this to me, especially the people who made the first few posts in this thread. I'm looking at you Zeke.

I guess I'll just clear this up: Religion =/= basis of morality. If it was, you'd think they'd hang the Ten Commandments in every courthouse, something that is illegal. Just look at Iran or Saudi Arabia if you want to see the laws being based entirely off of religion, or an interpretation of it. But anyways, I don't condone the vandalism of a random church, but I suppose can see where some peoples' anger comes from. I recall there was an episode of Penn & Teller where they interviewed some Italian comedian who often made jokes about the Pope, and they tried to censor her, seeing as Italy is an overwhelmingly Catholic country.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;32834304]Oh but it is. It's the belief that there is no God or gods, and disbelief in a supreme being or beings. Isn't religion just the sum of people's beliefs about God/gods/the supernatural? Do you have no beliefs about God, or gods? Equally, are you denying disbelief in a supreme being or beings?[/QUOTE] So [B]not[/B] playing golf is a sport?

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32836511]I fail to see how desecrating a church is justified because the Italian government is bad, etc. What does a church have to do with the government? Please explain this to me, especially the people who made the first few posts in this thread. I'm looking at you Zeke.[/QUOTE] When the hell did I specifically say that desecrating a church was justified? All I did is pointed out historically significant and overall positive riots that involved property damage and said that sometimes property damage can be loosely justified when looking at the riots retrospectively. The people doing it should still pay for the damages