Trump signs executive order reversing workplace protections for women. - Polidicks

Can I get a run-through of what this legislation was? All I remember hearing about it was how it perpetuated the myth that a 25% paygap exists, and did some really shady shit regarding trying to deal with said myth.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52100589]Can I get a run-through of what this legislation was? All I remember hearing about it was how it perpetuated the myth that a 25% paygap exists, and did some really shady shit regarding trying to deal with said myth.[/QUOTE] If Trump cared about womens' rights he could just as easily have signed a new order at the same time to re-implement Obama's protections without the supposed "shady shit". This isn't defensible.

Could someone answer me this? If women make 25% (roughly according to Obama's words) less than men then why isn't every single corporation employing only women to be able to pay 25% less in labor?

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52100825]Could someone answer me this? If women make 25% (roughly according to Obama's words) less than men then why isn't every single corporation employing only women to be able to pay 25% less in labor?[/QUOTE] Because that isn't how the wage gap works lol

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52100825]Could someone answer me this? If women make 25% (roughly according to Obama's words) less than men then why isn't every single corporation employing only women to be able to pay 25% less in labor?[/QUOTE] most adults in the US have jobs a 50% unemployment rate would not fill the need for employees the claim, if you will be more specific and source it, is based upon alleged factors of sexist bias both in terms of pay for the same job and in terms of women being discouraged from striving for certain fields of higher paying jobs it's hard to build a counterargument against an argument as vague as yours

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52100589]Can I get a run-through of what this legislation was? All I remember hearing about it was how it perpetuated the myth that a 25% paygap exists, and did some really shady shit regarding trying to deal with said myth.[/QUOTE] It wasn't legislation, it was an executive order. Try reading the article before calling something shady.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52096242]Let's hope he doesn't find a note written by Obama sayng "oxygen is good".[/QUOTE] If his response to Climate Change and his general lack of regard for the environment is any indication, it's too late.

remember how he was the right vote for women voters? lol

[QUOTE=bitches;52100840]most adults in the US have jobs a 50% unemployment rate would not fill the need for employees the claim, if you will be more specific and source it, is based upon alleged factors of sexist bias both in terms of pay for the same job and in terms of women being discouraged from striving for certain fields of higher paying jobs it's hard to build a counterargument against an argument as vague as yours[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52100833]Because that isn't how the wage gap works lol[/QUOTE] Well Obama makes it pretty [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/?utm_term=.c5123227c73b"]clear[/URL], I'm sorry, 77 cents to the dollar. What do you have to say about the female dominance in the biology/nursing or teaching fields? Are those fields sexist against men? I bet you are going to say that is a ridiculous claim, that only proves my point. [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] I guess it absurd to say that statistically women don't hold as many high positions as men because they aren't as motivated? Men are more willing to work more hours, move for work, and are more likely to ask for raises STATISTICALLY SPEAKING.

I feel like I need to keep posting this every time we talk about the wage gap. It applies mostly to Ireland but there is a lot to be learned here: [URL="http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/"]http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/[/URL] [QUOTE]This is a complex issue, which will require further research and more detailed data, in the coming years. But we can dispell a couple of myths, at this stage. Firstly, the gender pay gap isn’t really about discrimination. In the relatively rare cases where it is, an employer is breaking the law. Women don’t earn less than men simply by virtue of being women. The causes are complex, and often strongly related to a woman’s gender, but gender is not in itself the cause, generally speaking. Equally though, the gender pay gap is a real phenomenon, contrary to the commonly-expressed view that it is a “myth” (this is, itself, a kind of myth). Even when you account for the greater number of hours that men work, on average the hourly wages of women are less than those of men – across various types of job, whether part-time or full-time, and across all age groups. It is real, and pervasive. But it’s not uniformly pervasive. As this article has shown, age in particular matters a great deal, with younger women earning almost as much as younger men, while the gender gap stretches to between 20% and 30% for women in their 50s and 60s. For certain occupations (particularly the very low-paid types of jobs included in “elementary occupations” in the Eurostat data), the gap is desperately wide, with women earning almost one quarter less than their men. On the other hand, women who work full time earn, by comparison, only 6% less than men who work full time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52100921]Well Obama makes it pretty [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/?utm_term=.c5123227c73b"]clear[/URL], I'm sorry, 77 cents to the dollar. What do you have to say about the female dominance in the biology/nursing or teaching fields? Are those fields sexist against men? I bet you are going to say that is a ridiculous claim, that only proves my point. [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] I guess it absurd to say that statistically women don't hold as many high positions as men because they aren't as motivated? Men are more willing to work more hours, move for work, and are more likely to ask for raises STATISTICALLY SPEAKING.[/QUOTE] First off the wage gap Obama stated is a myth created by the simple misunderstanding of numbers. The correct number [B]is[/B] somewhere around 77 cents on the dollar. However, it doesn't take into account the differences in hours worked, the differences in jobs, the differences in careers and the differences of sex itself, namely that women take maternity leave and similar things. So yes, your hate boner against the previous president has a mild amount of merit to it for once. Yay for you, but boohoo for reality. It would be absurd to say that. Why would it be absurd? It's based on hollow, empty, data less conjecture. If I was to just guess that you're actually a bear inside a horse costume occupied by the spirit of a unicorn, would that be absurd? It's also patently impossible to disprove. You're stating a baseless number and saying "Would it be absurd to say this without any justifications", yes. Yes. Certain fields are dominated by certain sexes. This is hard to change in a rapid fashion and requires time. In the 60's and 70's, women were the forefrunt of computer programmers. And then people decided "Oh that's a really important job, better give it people who won't fuck it up" during a time period where women were still fighting to be seen as equals. I'm just so fucking sick and tired of weak "Snipes" by the right over pointless bullshit because they frankly fucking refuse to look at their own party in any critical light. You would rather wave your hateboner for Obama around, than reconsider your own horrible, horrible presidents choices.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52101053]First off the wage gap Obama stated is a myth created by the simple misunderstanding of numbers. The correct number [B]is[/B] somewhere around 77 cents on the dollar. However, it doesn't take into account the differences in hours worked, the differences in jobs, the differences in careers and the differences of sex itself, namely that women take maternity leave and similar things. So yes, your hate boner against the previous president has a mild amount of merit to it for once. Yay for you, but boohoo for reality. It would be absurd to say that. Why would it be absurd? It's based on hollow, empty, data less conjecture. If I was to just guess that you're actually a bear inside a horse costume occupied by the spirit of a unicorn, would that be absurd? It's also patently impossible to disprove. You're stating a baseless number and saying "Would it be absurd to say this without any justifications", yes. Yes. Certain fields are dominated by certain sexes. This is hard to change in a rapid fashion and requires time. In the 60's and 70's, women were the forefrunt of computer programmers. And then people decided "Oh that's a really important job, better give it people who won't fuck it up" during a time period where women were still fighting to be seen as equals. I'm just so fucking sick and tired of weak "Snipes" by the right over pointless bullshit because they frankly fucking refuse to look at their own party in any critical light. You would rather wave your hateboner for Obama around, than reconsider your own horrible, horrible presidents choices.[/QUOTE] So you talk a lot of shit, say a lot of pretty words and get to watch the pretty stars stack up under your post. Neat. Still didn't address anything I said. Go figure.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52101100]So you talk a lot of shit, say a lot of pretty words and get to watch the pretty stars stack up under your post. Neat. Still didn't address anything I said. Go figure.[/QUOTE] What exactly, specifically, did I fail to address to your liking?

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52101100]So you talk a lot of shit, say a lot of pretty words and get to watch the pretty stars stack up under your post. Neat. Still didn't address anything I said. Go figure.[/QUOTE] He addressed everything, literally what are you talking about? Meanwhile you fall back on a bitter retort criticizing the platform of discussion (which is irrelevant), actually being the one to fail to respond to counterpoints

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52101116]What exactly, specifically, did I fail to address to your liking?[/QUOTE] You said it yourself, the 77 number is bullshit. But you said that my claim is absurd. It's absurd to believe that men are more willing [URL="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/31/work_life_balance_study_professional_men_are_more_likely_than_women_to_want.html"]to sacrifice for work[/URL], [URL="https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htm"]work more hours[/URL], and [URL="http://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133599768/ask-for-a-raise-most-women-hesitate"]are more likely to ask for raises[/URL]. All things that the 'gender pay gap' fails to take into account. I'm sorry, REFUSES to take into account. I don't get why its so hard to believe that the genders are different. Women want equality yet only 14.5% are willing to die for our country. We are biologically different and we are built to do different things. I'm sure that the guys on those crab fishing shows would love some more women out there with them, but hell when was the last time you heard a woman say she wanted to spend her life crabbing out in the Alaskan ocean? (I haven't ever)

I wonder what the world or at least just the US will look like after he's done with his power trip...

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52101234]You said it yourself, the 77 number is bullshit. But you said that my claim is absurd. It's absurd to believe that men are more willing [URL="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/31/work_life_balance_study_professional_men_are_more_likely_than_women_to_want.html"]to sacrifice for work[/URL], [URL="https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htm"]work more hours[/URL], and [URL="http://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133599768/ask-for-a-raise-most-women-hesitate"]are more likely to ask for raises[/URL]. All things that the 'gender pay gap' fails to take into account. I'm sorry, REFUSES to take into account. I don't get why its so hard to believe that the genders are different. Women want equality yet only 14.5% are willing to die for our country. We are biologically different and we are built to do different things. I'm sure that the guys on those crab fishing shows would love some more women out there with them, but hell when was the last time you heard a woman say she wanted to spend her life crabbing out in the Alaskan ocean? (I haven't ever)[/QUOTE] Have you considered that our culture supports and rewards men for doing certain jobs and doesn't support and reward women nearly as much for trying to do the same jobs? That's what we want to change, because those jobs in particular are the ones that require further upward mobility and then pay more. Because women aren't being encouraged for and considered for higher paying positions nearly as much as men, there is a gap in their ability to obtain similar wages. When you say it's because women are inherently less ambitious or willing to sacrifice and less willing to work, you're committing a fundamental attribution error--attributing the behavior of certain people to inherent traits of their character, rather than the circumstances that bind them.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52101234]You said it yourself, the 77 number is bullshit. But you said that my claim is absurd. It's absurd to believe that men are more willing [URL="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/31/work_life_balance_study_professional_men_are_more_likely_than_women_to_want.html"]to sacrifice for work[/URL], [URL="https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htm"]work more hours[/URL], and [URL="http://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133599768/ask-for-a-raise-most-women-hesitate"]are more likely to ask for raises[/URL]. All things that the 'gender pay gap' fails to take into account. I'm sorry, REFUSES to take into account. I don't get why its so hard to believe that the genders are different. Women want equality yet only 14.5% are willing to die for our country. We are biologically different and we are built to do different things. I'm sure that the guys on those crab fishing shows would love some more women out there with them, but hell when was the last time you heard a woman say she wanted to spend her life crabbing out in the Alaskan ocean? (I haven't ever)[/QUOTE] Are you raging at a person who isn't here or something or do you just lack the ability to put that into terms people will actually listen to? The gender pay gap is real, but it's misconstrued constantly. Yes, even Obama fucked that up. However, there [B]is[/B] a gap that exists, there is a problem, there is an unbalance that isn't purely due to women not wanting to work in certain fields. Feel free to take that as an affront of some form, but it isn't. It's just reality. Sure, you can use edge cases to say "Look how much more men are willing to do dangerous jobs" but you would also be ignoring a very important factor. Sociology. Did those men and women that you speak of grow up in a cultural vacuum? No. Everything they believe is influenced by something, comes from somewhere. Women may very well not be taking jobs on crab boats because they're "weak"(as you seem all too happy to imply). But you don't [B]know[/B] that so stating it as if you do, is [B] absurd[/B]. Women may not be taking those jobs due to a literal multitude of reasons. Women, culturally, are valued differently then men, yes, you're right. Do you genuinely not think they are your equal though? Do you look at women as inferior to you because there are biologically differences? [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52101234]Women want equality[/QUOTE] I mean, why shouldn't they dude?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52101325]Are you raging at a person who isn't here or something or do you just lack the ability to put that into terms people will actually listen to? The gender pay gap is real, but it's misconstrued constantly. Yes, even Obama fucked that up. However, there [B]is[/B] a gap that exists, there is a problem, there is an unbalance that isn't purely due to women not wanting to work in certain fields. Feel free to take that as an affront of some form, but it isn't. It's just reality. Sure, you can use edge cases to say "Look how much more men are willing to do dangerous jobs" but you would also be ignoring a very important factor. Sociology. Did those men and women that you speak of grow up in a cultural vacuum? No. Everything they believe is influenced by something, comes from somewhere. Women may very well not be taking jobs on crab boats because they're "weak"(as you seem all too happy to imply). But you don't [B]know[/B] that so stating it as if you do, is [B] absurd[/B]. Women may not be taking those jobs due to a literal multitude of reasons. Women, culturally, are valued differently then men, yes, you're right. Do you genuinely not think they are your equal though? Do you look at women as inferior to you because there are biologically differences? [editline]13th April 2017[/editline] I mean, why shouldn't they dude?[/QUOTE] No of course I don't believe woman are inferior. Everything I say I am referring to a statistical standpoint. Of course not EVERY woman is unwilling to do dangerous jobs, quite the opposite. But statistically speaking men are more willing. I admire your ability to point a finger and say "hey look a problem! Someone do something about it!" but you lack actual content. Where are woman told not to take dangerous jobs. Where are woman told they HAVE to have children and HAVE to stay home and not work? Are these not their own choices? Where are woman told not to join the military or not to ask for raises? Where are they told to not to pursue IT jobs but told to pursue nursing, teaching, or biology fields? I would love to fight the pay gap with you. If I believed it to be true I would fight it, but you have to give me something to fight, not just this "Oh no! A problem! We must do something!"

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52101457]No of course I don't believe woman are inferior. Everything I say I am referring to a statistical standpoint. Of course not EVERY woman is unwilling to do dangerous jobs, quite the opposite. But statistically speaking men are more willing. I admire your ability to point a finger and say "hey look a problem! Someone do something about it!" but you lack actual content. Where are woman told not to take dangerous jobs. Where are woman told they HAVE to have children and HAVE to stay home and not work? Are these not their own choices? Where are woman told not to join the military or not to ask for raises? Where are they told to not to pursue IT jobs but told to pursue nursing, teaching, or biology fields? I would love to fight the pay gap with you. If I believed it to be true I would fight it, but you have to give me something to fight, not just this "Oh no! A problem! We must do something!"[/QUOTE] Where are women told any of that? Pretty much constantly from many sources of western culture, and they have been for hundreds of years? Are you disputing the very nature of history now too? Were we all taught a lie in history? Yes, these are their choices, but nothing is that simple. You can make it as black and white as you choose to, but that doesn't mean it's a reality. Are their choices uninformed by the cultures that surround them? Their parents? Their towns, cities, etc? No. They're definitely informed by those cultures and those norms. How can you even dispute this? Girls get barbies, boys get GI Joes. That's an example of cultural persuasion. No one ever has to say directly "You can't do this"(Though they often do, feel free to pretend this doesn't happen) for those factors to be present, to exist, and to have an impact. The problem is that women are seen as lesser beings in professional contexts by many people. That's the problem. Women are seen as home makers, and child bearers. Do you really think that isn't the case, wasn't the case historically? Do you really think that the year hit 2000, and suddenly women are empowered and don't have any professional barriers to break through anymore? I used to think a lot like you. I don't anymore.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52101946]Where are women told any of that? Pretty much constantly from many sources of western culture, and they have been for hundreds of years? Are you disputing the very nature of history now too? Were we all taught a lie in history? Yes, these are their choices, but nothing is that simple. You can make it as black and white as you choose to, but that doesn't mean it's a reality. Are their choices uninformed by the cultures that surround them? Their parents? Their towns, cities, etc? No. They're definitely informed by those cultures and those norms. How can you even dispute this? Girls get barbies, boys get GI Joes. That's an example of cultural persuasion. No one ever has to say directly "You can't do this"(Though they often do, feel free to pretend this doesn't happen) for those factors to be present, to exist, and to have an impact. The problem is that women are seen as lesser beings in professional contexts by many people. That's the problem. Women are seen as home makers, and child bearers. Do you really think that isn't the case, wasn't the case historically? Do you really think that the year hit 2000, and suddenly women are empowered and don't have any professional barriers to break through anymore? I used to think a lot like you. I don't anymore.[/QUOTE] Again, you paint the broad brush of "everyone tells them that! What are you stupid?" How is anyone supposed to fix something like that? I believe in nurture vs. nature, and you bring up a good point of parental and cultural influence. However, I bet even the men and women shouting about gender wage gap and gender inequality dress their own daughters in dresses and buy them barbies and tell their sons to go outside and ride a skateboard. How do you suggest we change something as deep rooted as that? I don't dispute the case historically, that woman were the home makers and child bearers. They are the child bearers, they HAVE to be the child bearers. Why is that bad? Why is that unequal? Why does difference have to mean discrimination? Again, point me in the direction of a FIXABLE problem. Don't just yell from the rooftops GENDER INEQUALITY and expect shit to happen.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52102055]Again, you paint the broad brush of "everyone tells them that! What are you stupid?" How is anyone supposed to fix something like that? I believe in nurture vs. nature, and you bring up a good point of parental and cultural influence. However, I bet even the men and women shouting about gender wage gap and gender inequality dress their own daughters in dresses and buy them barbies and tell their sons to go outside and ride a skateboard. How do you suggest we change something as deep rooted as that? I don't dispute the case historically, that woman were the home makers and child bearers. They are the child bearers, they HAVE to be the child bearers. Why is that bad? Why is that unequal? Why does difference have to mean discrimination? Again, point me in the direction of a FIXABLE problem. Don't just yell from the rooftops GENDER INEQUALITY and expect shit to happen.[/QUOTE] Who is yelling that in this discussion? You. You're the only one yelling. How do you change cultural norms? Not intentionally, but over time. Women in the 1970s were heavily invested in computer science and many of them led the charge in that regard. Do you see that today? No. Why? Computers started to be seen as a boys object, marketed towards businesses and then later for games, which was at that time, male dominated in it's market targets. Marketting has a visible effect on our reality. Do you really think marketing doesn't have an effect in the field of gender at large? Marketing created the diamond ring, and sold it as a age old tradition(it wasn't), Marketing created Valentines day out of thin air and sold it as an old tradition(Hint, it wasn't). Bacon wasn't a breakfast staple in the 1920's. Until a marketer created that lie, and people bought it. These messages are not overt, they are not in your face, and I'm not screaming from the roof top that these things have to change, I am however shaking my head at your utter refusal to even look beyond what you already believe. I get it, you know everything there is to know about this subject, so what can I teach you, or inform you of? You seem to believe you know that there isn't a divide, that there wasn't a divide, that even if there was, it's only womens biologies fault, but I'd ask you to simply doubt yourself a bit more.

Whether you believe in the pay gap or not, Trump signing a law making it easier for him to grab pussies should set off alarm bells .

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52100825]Could someone answer me this? If women make 25% (roughly according to Obama's words) less than men then why isn't every single corporation employing only women to be able to pay 25% less in labor?[/QUOTE] I see you're getting confused by the 'wage gap' term as it's not quite correct. It's the [b]income[/b] gap, because while a man and a woman with the same job make the same amount, women statistically speaking go into lesser-paying jobs that have the same requirements. Look at teachers. In the US, the majority of teachers at all levels are women. Teachers get paid shit compared to their peers with the same degrees. If public schooling had more funding and teachers got paid more I guarantee you the income gap would shrink by some amount. [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] Also if you're going to say something like 'well just don't take that job' then we'd have no fucking teachers. Also, it's not like there enough positions in other industries for 100% more employees. You'd also have to be delusional to think that the income gap is a good thing.

Bet Ivanka convinced him to do this after telling daddy to bomb Syria over chocolate cake with the president of China.

Wow this jarring, if equal wage regulation gets removed, then the wage gap isn't going to be an earnings gap anymore, it's [I]actually[/I] going to become a wage gap in certain companies. I didn't even think it was possible for someone to overcorrect more than SJW's were trying to, but Trump certainly blew that expectation straight out of the water, gg. [editline]14th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52105269]You'd also have to be delusional to think that the income gap is a good thing.[/QUOTE] Is the income gap even a good or bad thing? Isn't it just "a thing"? I mean, a factor in the gap is maternity leave, which is a right women should have, so removing it would be bad for women's rights but would also make the gap smaller.

Of for godsake you political hypochondriacs all the states have regulations requiring some form of equal opportunity. Unless you work a federal job on non-state land its still illegal to fondle your co-workers.

[QUOTE=Shirt.;52107371]Of for godsake you political hypochondriacs all the states have regulations requiring some form of equal opportunity. Unless you work a federal job on non-state land its still illegal to fondle your co-workers.[/QUOTE] As though the regulations were not put in place to combat an actual problem? Why should US employers be allowed to contractually obligate women to not sue those perpetuating sexual assault in the workplace? Why should they have to go through an arbitration with the company instead of taking legal action?

Why? Why would anyone repel this? How were those regulations a bad thing? Is there any reason why he would do this other than "bad obama's liberal legislation" ?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;52108074]Why? Why would anyone repel this? How were those regulations a bad thing? Is there any reason why he would do this other than "bad obama's liberal legislation" ?[/QUOTE] I guess there's the economically liberal mindset of "regulations hold business back".