[QUOTE=Re-Con;19124000]im not gonna celebrate it nor work
I'm gonna sit on my arse and use my pc all day like I usually do[/QUOTE]
I don't know why, but this quote just seems to betray a kitchen sink tragedy.
[quote]
[b]Scene 1: The Den.[/b]
[i]A very dark room, with the main source of light being a computer monitor in front of which is seated RE-CON (Harry). There are no decorations.[/i]
[i]Enter MOM, carrying plate[/i]
Mom: Harry, would you like some turkey? I didn't put any cranberry sauce on it, I know you don't like it.
[i]She holds up a dinner plate, covered in tender moist turkey, sumptuous roast potatoes and of course, sprouts.[/i]
Re-Con: Go away, mom, I'm on the computer. I'll just have some pizza later.
Mom: Ar-Are you sure, sweetheart? I made sure to do the turkey just rig-
Re-Con: GO AWAY!
Mom (tearfully): Well, if you're sure sweetie. If you want, Dad and I are going to play charades later and we'd love you to join in.
[i]Re-Con offers no response, enraptured in his internet browsing.[/i]
[i]EXEUNT[/i]
[b]Scene 2: The kitchen[/b]
[i]DAD is pouring himself a glass of brandy.[/i]
[i]Enter MOM, carrying plate.[/i]
Mom: Goddamn it! GODDAMN IT!
[i]She slams the plate into the sink where it breaks, before bursting into tears and slumping to the floor. DAD takes her in his arms.[/i]
Dad: Ok, Lou, ok. It's ok.
Mom: It's not! It's really not! I've tried everything!
Dad: Sssshhhhh.
Mom: I just want my son back!
[i]She grasps at the locket around her neck, popping it open to reveal a smiling child.[/i]
Mom: He always used to be lovely! And now he does nothing, he says nothing, he-he-he-[i]sobs[/i]
Dad: Ssssh. It's ok.
Mom: He won't even look at me!
[/quote]
Etc. etc.
I feel sad now. :(
[QUOTE=David29;19127804]
Er, you do realise that Islam has never recognised Jesus to be a prophet, right?[/QUOTE]
False, he is considered a prophet in Islam, but for the Christians, not the Muslims.
Also, hunterbrute high five up in this bitch son
[QUOTE=thisispain;19128212]
Also, hunterbrute high five up in this bitch son[/QUOTE]
Just doing my job. :clint:
Do religious people who think atheists are dicks realize how hard it is to be respectful to someone who outright denies facts placed in front of them? Note that I am not applying this to those who aren't condescending towards us non-believers.
EDIT: I'll be the first to admit I haven't done a ton of research on religion yet, but I cant even discuss evolution or the afterlife with my mother without her rolling her eyes when I ask simple questions. (Sorry for going off-topic)
He probably wasn't documented that much in Roman history anyways, being that Israel was in a far corner in the Roman Empire, most evidence was probably burned when the Romans burned the Israeli cities down in 70 A.D.
Some other evidence and such can be found here:
[url]http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Baileyboys;19128894]He probably wasn't documented that much in Roman history anyways, being that Israel was in a far corner in the Roman Empire, most evidence was probably burned when the Romans burned the Israeli cities down in 70 A.D.
Some other evidence and such can be found here:
[url]http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Seen that page before and the entire website seems religiously inclined.
Also this paragraph gave me a good laugh.
[quote]There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.[/quote]
Then go read the sources that say they have evidence of Jesus and read them for yourself to see if they have evidence.
[QUOTE=Baileyboys;19129099]Then go read the sources that say they have evidence of Jesus and read them for yourself to see if they have evidence.[/QUOTE]
Already have and much of the so called evidence has lead me to go with those who say Jesus did not exist, many of the so called historical documents have been in Church possession for years and date back long after Jesus was supposed to have existed. Much of the supposed evidence loses its validity when compared with other church forgeries and the rest that had the chance of being evidence fits in with Biblical documents written many years after Christ was said to exist.
The thing that confuses me is why an omnipotent God would allow the supposed "truth" of Christianity be so cryptic and based on ancient metaphorical stories.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19127951]The website even states this is a matter of faith, the stories and documents all look very biblical. Im going to go out on a limb and say these rank up there with Forgeries by the Church.
Jesus didnt exist [b]in my opinion[/b] and these documents further my argument.[/QUOTE]
Fixed again for you.
The fact that you aren't actually disproving any of the evidence we provide and just call them forgeries, as well as the fact that you still have yet to pt forward any of your own evidence, mean I really am finding it hard to take you seriously.
[QUOTE=David29;19129521]Fixed again for you.
The fact that you aren't actually disproving any of the evidence we provide and just call them forgeries, as well as the fact that you still have yet to pt forward any of your own evidence, mean I really am finding it hard to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]
you have a nice little tool called Google and the internet, everything I saw can be easily found. Writing paragraphs of information is not something I enjoy doing nor is it something I plan to do on a forum like thi sjust to please some kid who is to lazy to use google.
What about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
[QUOTE=Thechuz1337;19124109]I can think of them pulling out a page.
'To my dear Carry,
All characters within this book are fictitious, any simularity betweeen the events portayed in this book is coincidental.'
I can imagine the church being very cross.[/QUOTE]
Red Dwarf reference. Nice one.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19129645]you have a nice little tool called Google and the internet[/QUOTE]
I know, I use it every day.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19129645]Writing paragraphs of information is not something I enjoy doing[/QUOTE]
There is a difference between the "providing useful amounts of information for a valid argument" approach and your "if I can't see it it's not there" approach. Constantly repeating that the Muslims couldn't find anything on Jesus isn't a solid foundation to form an argument on.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19129645]nor is it something I plan to do on a forum like thi sjust to please some kid who is to lazy to use google.[/QUOTE]
Heh, you think I'm a kid. Here's some info for you; I'm 20.
[QUOTE=David29;19126099]It's not. That's why we have the bible.
No doubt someone will say that is not proof, but why not? Even if the church did alter it over time, the fundamentals behind it are the same which rely on various testimonies from different people.
Whereas the case against Jesus seems merely to be that he isn't mentioned extensively in history.
So in my eyes there is more evidence for the existance of Jesus than against.[/QUOTE]
Any fictional book written today is more probable to hold unbiased evidence than ANY religious text.
:wtc:
[QUOTE=David29;19129521]Fixed again for you.
The fact that you aren't actually disproving any of the evidence we provide and just call them forgeries, as well as the fact that you still have yet to pt forward any of your own evidence, mean I really am finding it hard to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]
What evidence? Even that bible thumping website that was linked to earlier highlights how stupid The Archko Volume is for a source of evidence: [url]http://www.bibleprobe.com/av_caution.htm[/url] , the footnotes on their pages are just the icing on the cake:
[quote]"In light of this, any Noah's Ark finding, real or fake; or even any letter from Pilate is eternally pale in comparison.. We thank our Lord for this sure authentication.
For truth, turn to the Lord Jesus; and rely on God's Word in Scripture. Nothing else matters."[/quote]
Seriously, they fall back on the bible is true because the bible is true? You should read some of the other shit they have on that website like this: [url]http://bibleprobe.com/jesuscode.htm[/url] I could open a Harry Potter book and find more interesting 'hidden messages' than this, but it doesn't mean anything. I'm amazed you people defend this without even looking, when some biblical era account is questioned by a lot of Christian sources then that alone should send some alarm bells ringing. But really, you should be looking at secular sources as they won't have a slant toward any particular religion and likely won't have any agenda to push. The reason for this should be quite obvious, most secular people(I hope) reach their conclusions out of logic and critical thinking, if there's empirical evidence for a god, then atheism would be unjustified, and so would 99% of religions because only one would be right(depending on the evidence). But there is no such evidence, thus there are loads of religions espousing their own mutually exclusive beliefs thus instantly giving them a bias. Secularists have no desire to disbelieve in everything, if a god exists, or magic exists then great, amazing in fact, just show us empirical evidence for it, then it instantly becomes a logical thing and no longer requires faith/belief as it would be fact.
BTW if you guys don't feel like you have heard enough, there is no proof that Jesus existed and most likely he never did.
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Just in case someone missed it.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19125385]History has of course been changed to some degree, but any history mentioning the existence of JESUS has been shown to be forged and any archeological evidence after much investigation has shown to not be related to Jesus in ANYWAY.
And I find those who are willing to argue one point but not willing to accept another extremely annoying aswell, the fact remains that Jesus didnt exist and the only evidence anyone can pull out of their ass are biblical documents.
Why dont we just start naming Eras after all the gods of myth now, sounds like a good plan to me.[/QUOTE]
Hunter, I'm sorry, but you're just as opinionated as the Christians on this subject, and your arguments are just as hollow as theirs. There are documents that speak of Jesus other than biblical documents. Why have we chosen to not count the writings of people like Josephus and Tacitus? Looks like we're having a little anti-Christian Council of Nicea here, picking and choosing our facts and ignoring what we cannot explain.
Plus, how can we truly be sure that anything in history is true? We don't have direct perception of anything before our births. [B]History is the myth that justifies the present[/B]. It's likely Jesus' existence will never be proven, nor will it be disproven. We'll never really know for ourselves.
I dare the Facepunch community to go one topic about a religion related news article without arguing over something pointless.
[QUOTE=Cell;19140144]Hunter, I'm sorry, but you're just as opinionated as the Christians on this subject, and your arguments are just as hollow as theirs. There are documents that speak of Jesus other than biblical documents. Why have we chosen to not count the writings of people like Josephus and Tacitus? Looks like we're having a little anti-Christian Council of Nicea here, picking and choosing our facts and ignoring what we cannot explain.[/QUOTE]
what?
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;19140548]I dare the Facepunch community to go one topic about a religion related news article without arguing over something pointless.[/QUOTE]
And leave the thread at four or so replies? It's arguments like this that keep the conversations interesting.
[QUOTE=Doug52392;19123886]Nazareth
Sounds like a city out of a fantasy novel.[/QUOTE]
Haha, I see what you did there! Good one.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;19140548]I dare the Facepunch community to go one topic about a religion related news article without arguing over something pointless.[/QUOTE]
There is no argument atheists are right and everyone else is in a section of wrong ranging from slightly wrong to wow you are so wrong wrong.
[QUOTE=Cell;19140144]Hunter, I'm sorry, but you're just as opinionated as the Christians on this subject, and your arguments are just as hollow as theirs. There are documents that speak of Jesus other than biblical documents. Why have we chosen to not count the writings of people like Josephus and Tacitus?[/QUOTE]
Because neither were alive at the time of Jesus' life? What's written after someone's life as hearsay is no more useful than Harry Potter fan fiction is to the cannon of that universe. I see a lot of claims here that there's a lot of history behind Jesus' life and random buzz-words popping up but none of them mean anything, nor do they add anything to the discussion.
[QUOTE=Doug52392;19123886]Nazareth
Sounds like a city out of a fantasy novel.[/QUOTE]
It is. It's from the bible :smug:
I am not late. YOU are late.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;19140548]I dare the Facepunch community to go one topic about a religion related news article without arguing over something pointless.[/QUOTE]
I don't. Conflict is a very nice form of entertainment. If we didn't call each other stupid in every thread, Facepunch would be incredibly boring. Without conflict, things become stagnant. A thread like this- without conflict, will just be the same posts about how this sort of thing is pretty neat and the thread would die off prematurely.
Assuming arguing about religion is pointless, which it's not, because if such a thing never happened or was silenced whenever it did we'd still be in the dark ages. And today we still need to convince those of us with mental deficiencies to stop trying to impede the progress of science and society as a whole.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;19123918]Be polite to Jesus kids
without him, we wouldn't have christmas![/QUOTE]
Winter Solstice motherfucker.
[QUOTE=Doug52392;19123886]Nazareth
Sounds like a city out of a fantasy novel.[/QUOTE]
The bible ?
Oh christ
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