Two Little Falls Cousins Shot in "Home Invasion", Man Charged with Murder
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[QUOTE=Number-41;38606644]I don't know shit about law, but why did he get a 2M$ bail? Does that mean he walks if he/someone coughs up that money ? I just read on wikipedia that
Seems to me that a guy who cold-bloodedly executes two people fits right in there.
Edit:
just read up on it, and it's not a get-out-of jail free card, though it still seems absurd to me that law makes a distinction between rich and poor people (naive me I guess)[/QUOTE]
Paying your bail means you can leave jail until your trial. There's no distinction between rich and poor as far as I'm aware, your bail amount is typically set at what seems suitable for your crimes. For example, armed robbery could only be a few thousand whereas capital murder can go into the tens of millions.
[QUOTE=Wootmang;38607207]Those teens broke the law in the first place, had they not been there this wouldn't even be an issue. If someone tried to break into my house i'd do the same, regardless of age. Who really has the time to sit there and determine an intruders age in the moment???? Some people look younger or older than they really are anyways. Plus he had no idea if they had a gun or not...Any way the cookie crumbles, these teens got what was coming to them since they ultimately made the decision to break the law in the first place. This is why you shouldn't break into peoples homes.[/QUOTE]
He had the right to defend himself. Not to execute them well after there was any possible threat to himself.
I find it interesting, though, that you're so willing to admit you would murder two teenagers. Says a lot about you, dude.
[QUOTE=Wootmang;38607207]Those teens broke the law in the first place, had they not been there this wouldn't even be an issue. If someone tried to break into my house i'd do the same, regardless of age. Who really has the time to sit there and determine an intruders age in the moment???? Some people look younger or older than they really are anyways. Plus he had no idea if they had a gun or not...Any way the cookie crumbles, these teens got what was coming to them since they ultimately made the decision to break the law in the first place. This is why you shouldn't break into peoples homes.[/QUOTE]
Executing an unarmed, wounded person over a burglary. I hope you're never in any position of power, christ.
I don't know where I stand on this.
He was defending himself from some intruders, but it looks like he essentially executed them. He could have just called the police after he shot them once. It wouldn't make sense to try to aim for a kill (unless they were armed, but they weren't), and executing them was a cruel move.
If someone breaks into your house you shoot them. If they are still alive and not fighting back after the first shot, you keep them alive until the police arrive. Grumpy old fucktard overstepped his bounds.
I'm glad that they aren't just ruling this a self-defence and letting him go free.
There needs to be boundaries when it comes to this.
He sounds like he's psychopathic honestly. I'm arguably drawing some thin lines here but I'd even guess he knew very well he was in no danger as he'd already caught one of them before.
He had no justification for unloading a revolver into one's chest and executing them both.
He did shoot more than he should have with the second person, but what he did wasn't wrong. If you saw a human dying, and you know he/she isn't going to make it, would you euthanise the person? Or let them die in agony? How else are you supposed to feel if you live out of town and someone breaks in?(especially if there's been several break ins, someone's out to get you) How long would it take for the police/ambulance to arrive if you live out on a private property?
The teenagers were scumbag thieves who deserved to die, but this guy is deliberately begging to be convicted for their murders. He could have easily killed them and NOT give incriminating statements to the police.
So, in my opinion, this is one of those rare cases where the criminals(teens) chose the wrong house to rob(an insane armed guy's house). Win/win in my opinion, all the criminals will be dead or in prison when this case is over.
there was an issue where three (16 year old) kids physically assualted an old man and 1 died 1 was injured and 1 was jailed, I agreed it was fair use of a gun.
This is different though. This man is a psycho. Who the hell pulls a execution shot anyways.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;38609239]The teenagers were scumbag thieves who deserved to die, but this guy is deliberately begging to be convicted for their murders. He could have easily killed them and NOT give incriminating statements to the police.
So, in my opinion, this is one of those rare cases where the criminals(teens) chose the wrong house to rob(an insane armed guy's house). Win/win in my opinion, all the criminals will be dead or in prison when this case is over.[/QUOTE]
You are pretty messed up. I must say.
Because of how fucked up you are, I think you deserve to be permabanned and then hit by a bus. and live to tell about the ban.
That logic doesn't sound nice when it's pointed towards you does it?
[QUOTE=Wootmang;38607207]Those teens broke the law in the first place, had they not been there this wouldn't even be an issue. If someone tried to break into my house i'd do the same, regardless of age. Who really has the time to sit there and determine an intruders age in the moment???? Some people look younger or older than they really are anyways. Plus he had no idea if they had a gun or not...Any way the cookie crumbles, these teens got what was coming to them since they ultimately made the decision to break the law in the first place. This is why you shouldn't break into peoples homes.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;38609239]The teenagers were scumbag thieves who deserved to die, but this guy is deliberately begging to be convicted for their murders. He could have easily killed them and NOT give incriminating statements to the police.
So, in my opinion, this is one of those rare cases where the criminals(teens) chose the wrong house to rob(an insane armed guy's house). Win/win in my opinion, all the criminals will be dead or in prison when this case is over.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few things I can say about thieves, but deserving to die is something I can only imagine a sociopath who is way too attached to material possessions would say.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38609342]There are quite a few things I can say about thieves, but deserving to die is something I can only imagine a sociopath who is way too attached to material possessions would say.[/QUOTE]
he's either a complete sociopath or Chris Chan
Once again, threads like these bring out the inhabitants of the cesspool part of FP.
Why has no one been pointing the finger at the kids' parents?
I know I'm going to catch shit for this, but there had to have been a major lapse in parenting for these kids to think it's okay to break into a guy's house.
[quote]"I want him dead," the complaint quoted Smith telling an investigator.[/quote]
[quote]Smith said he then shot Kifer in the chest several times with a .22-caliber revolver, dragged her next to Brady, and with her still gasping for air, fired a shot under her chin "up into the cranium."[/quote]
Words cannot describe my intense hatred for this bag of filth.
what is an execution shot?
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;38607303]Paying your bail means you can leave jail until your trial. There's no distinction between rich and poor as far as I'm aware, your bail amount is typically set at what seems suitable for your crimes. For example, armed robbery could only be a few thousand whereas capital murder can go into the tens of millions.[/QUOTE]
Well it IS a distinction because it nets in more jail time for poor people. E.g. you get arrested and you can pay your bail, which means you can continue going to your job (assuming you didn't get fired for getting involved in a crime) and possibly win the trial and walk. The end result is that you didn't really lose anything (except court costs and stuff like that). If you can't pay your bail, you have a great chance you lose your job because you're in jail. If you win the trial and walk, you lost lots of time AND a job. That's how it makes a distinction between rich and poor, and I don't see how that's fair. The net penitence differs for those who can and can't pay their bail.
Execute him with mortar
i always feel uneasy reading about execution shots like this
this goes so far beyond self defense that its sickening a person could do that
Why are we so blindly defending the kids who broke into the mans house?
We don't know their intentions, therefor it is just foolish to either defend or demonize them. Maybe they just wanted a thrill, maybe they wanted to steal something, maybe they wanted to murder him. We have no evidence either way, so we cannot pass judgement.
[QUOTE=iTrolol;38612788]Why are we so blindly defending the kids who broke into the mans house?
We don't know their intentions, therefor it is just foolish to either defend or demonize them. Maybe they just wanted a thrill, maybe they wanted to steal something, maybe they wanted to murder him. We have no evidence either way, so we cannot pass judgement.[/QUOTE]
If I was to kill someone, I'd probably carry a weapon of some kind with me. And if I was to post about an article, I would probably read it first.
Just for your information, no one's blindly defending the kids (they broke into the house after all), we're just talking about the fact that the man turned out to be insane as fuck.
[QUOTE=iTrolol;38612788]Why are we so blindly defending the kids who broke into the mans house?
We don't know their intentions, therefor it is just foolish to either defend or demonize them. Maybe they just wanted a thrill, maybe they wanted to steal something, maybe they wanted to murder him. We have no evidence either way, so we cannot pass judgement.[/QUOTE]
We're defending the kids because the person that killed them shot them multiple times after it was apparent they were unarmed, and seems to have no remorse about outright executing them.
[QUOTE=iTrolol;38612788]Why are we so blindly defending the kids who broke into the mans house?
We don't know their intentions, therefor it is just foolish to either defend or demonize them. Maybe they just wanted a thrill, maybe they wanted to steal something, maybe they wanted to murder him. We have no evidence either way, so we cannot pass judgement.[/QUOTE]
One of the robbers was semi-conscious on the floor, having been shot in the chest several times from a revolver. The other one was dead.
Now, I don't know about you, but the point where you've got one dead robber on your floor and another wounded to the point of incapacitation is usually when you dial 911, try to stop the person on your floor bleeding, and wait for assistance. What it is [I]not[/I], is a lucrative opportunity to staight-up execute someone just because you feel like it.
I ask you: once a dude does such a thing, and even admits it himself, does it really matter what the intruders were originally there for? The guy's clearly crazy if he's just gonna kill someone when he has no reason to, there is simply no justification for such a thing.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38609342]There are quite a few things I can say about thieves, but deserving to die is something I can only imagine a sociopath who is way too attached to material possessions would say.[/QUOTE]
It's not about material possessions. It's about violating someone's home. You might disagree, but I believe a person has a right to be safe in their own home. Once someone breaks in, they have crossed that line.
So deserving to die for stealing a tv? No, that deserves jail time, not a death penalty. Deserving to die for invading someone's home? Yeah, well what can I say, if you are killed in the act of breaking into someone's home, I'm not going to shed any tears over it.
i live about 40 mins from little falls
that place sucks
[QUOTE=Number-41;38606644]I don't know shit about law, but why did he get a 2M$ bail? Does that mean he walks if he/someone coughs up that money ? I just read on wikipedia that
Seems to me that a guy who cold-bloodedly executes two people fits right in there.
Edit:
just read up on it, and it's not a get-out-of jail free card, though it still seems absurd to me that law makes a distinction between rich and poor people (naive me I guess)[/QUOTE]
It isn't supposed to. Bail isn't used properly.
First up, bail bondsmen aren't supposed to exist. Why we let that happen, I have no idea.
Second up, the amount is supposed to be something you can afford to pay, or at least borrow from a loved one, but the amount is to be sufficiently high so as to ensure you actually show up at court. It is intended to be significantly lower if you are not wealthy, and ridiculously high if you are.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;38605903]but it looks like the second kid was asking for it.. You don't get shot at and then laugh the person who just missed. [/QUOTE]
holy shit
you are awful
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;38613343]It's not about material possessions. It's about violating someone's home. You might disagree, but I believe a person has a right to be safe in their own home. Once someone breaks in, they have crossed that line.
So deserving to die for stealing a tv? No, that deserves jail time, not a death penalty. Deserving to die for invading someone's home? Yeah, well what can I say, if you are killed in the act of breaking into someone's home, I'm not going to shed any tears over it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you really understand the concept of someone truly deserving to die.
At least I hope you don't.
Bottom Line: Don't break into people's homes.
Should he have executed them? No. Should they have been there in the first place? No.
If they didn't break in, he couldn't have executed him. It's still murder, and not right at all, but not the same as if he shot them on the street, in my opinion.
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