Wounded Iraq vet jeered at by students of Columbia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Contag;28204641]It's true, he was shot 11 times and for what? Iraq is still fractured and an incredibly dangerous place to live, and the US has already withdrawn combat troops. .[/QUOTE] uGUGHUHGUGHUGH BUT BEFORE EVERYONE WAS SAYING THEY NEED TO PULL OUTDJSGGKJSNKJSNFNDLFHDRP

[QUOTE=abcpea2;28207928]uGUGHUHGUGHUGH BUT BEFORE EVERYONE WAS SAYING THEY NEED TO PULL OUTDJSGGKJSNKJSNFNDLFHDRP[/QUOTE] It's the international equivalent of doing something you thought was a good idea at the same, realized you didn't have all the information and really badly fucked up, and had only two options. Options one, don't fix your mistakes, but be able to do other things. Option two, fix your mistakes, though it will take a great deal of time and effort. On an individual level, the answer is obvious, but when that means spending more money, time and lives , many citizens find that unacceptable and simply don't care. That's not necessarily a bad thing, especially with the recession.

Even if we grant that Columbia does just hate the military as a whole, so what? So what if they do? Why should an institution of learning, a place that should be a bastion of careful thought and social observation have any positive feelings towards the military? It is not wrong of them to blame this man, when he comes back from the war wondering not why he did it, and why he should end up with no legs for a war that has no foreseeable resolution. But simply he thinks, "How can I recruit more young persons into this fruitless endeavor?" He thinks these thoughts at Columbia University, a prestigious institution where many of our future's brightest minds will rise. To possibly squander these lives in such a useless war effort would be reprehensible and that is most certainly something to hate.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28204743]Hahaha this is awesome. "dem brown people wunzta kill us god fearin mericuns. its peples liekk me who gotta put a few boolets in dem." Good job perpetuating the war we're not supporting dick head. There wouldn't be a war to protest about if dumbasses like him didn't sign up for it. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] Also lol @ biased NY Post article. "war hero", "bravely stepped up to the mike (sic)" Haha, how the hell do they misspell "mic". :downs: Good one Rupert.[/QUOTE] You misspell mic by spelling it mike. "Mic" is microphone shortened. "Mike" is Michael shortened. Your whole post is just full of silly. And the fact you thought mic was misspelled just makes it even better. Am I supposed to take you seriously now, or do you have some more stupid shit to say? That's some messed up stuff, giving shit to a wounded soldier. Who, by the way guys, isn't speaking to support the war but rather is speaking to have ROTC re-instituted at the school. I 'm sorry if you guys think ROTC=Military but it doesn't work that way. Just because someone is in ROTC does not mean they are in the military, nor does it mean they are legally obligated to be upon completion of the course. *edit* Now if the military is paying for your scholarship that's one thing; but that isn't a necessary prerequisite for taking ROTC.

[QUOTE=imarawrus;28208837] Who, by the way guys, isn't speaking to support the war but rather is speaking to have ROTC re-instituted at the school. I 'm sorry if you guys think ROTC=Military but it doesn't work that way. Just because someone is in ROTC does not mean they are in the military, nor does it mean they are legally obligated to be upon completion of the course. [/QUOTE] "The Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) is a college-based, officer commissioning program, predominantly in the United States" Sorry, ROTC has been, and always will be a front for the military, and no reasonable (read: intelligent) person would disagree with that. He was also speaking in support of the war if you had actually bothered to read the article. So go and read it, then take a look at my post to see why it's not reprehensible to be vocally against a military speaker who is promoting war and wants to institutionalize a military presence at the University.

Reminds me of the shit that Vietnam Vets had to put up with when they came back, I know myself that certain elements in University are shit-stirrers, at the end of the day a job is a job, the military is just another job, theres no need to jeer at a man just because of his occupation.

[QUOTE=Mabus;28209952]Reminds me of the shit that Vietnam Vets had to put up with when they came back, I know myself that certain elements in University are shit-stirrers, at the end of the day a job is a job, the military is just another job, theres no need to jeer at a man just because of his occupation.[/QUOTE] There would be no reason to jeer if he came back having matured some and realized what a useless waste of lives the war effort in the Middle East is, but he came back and wanted to formalize a military presence at the University. He wanted to create a path for promising students to turn towards a career where the death of enemies is valued. An occupation that creates dichotomous thinking and warps the minds of promising young people. The military has no place at institutions of higher learning, at all.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;28210025]There would be no reason to jeer if he came back having matured some and realized what a useless waste of lives the war effort in the Middle East is, but he came back and wanted to formalize a military presence at the University. He wanted to create a path for promising students to turn towards a career where the death of enemies is valued. An occupation that creates dichotomous thinking and warps the minds of promising young people. The military has no place at institutions of higher learning, at all.[/QUOTE] So you believe that the military is not a valid occupation simply because it entails something you find morally reprehensible? Not everybody feels the same way you do. I believe that people should be allowed to learn whatever they feel like learning in an educational institution, if that involves military matters so be it, if thats what they wish, then all the best to them. They should not be intimidated by others simply for doing something they strive for, and it's not like they are "brainwashed" or anything preposterous like that some people have a genuine interest in that field.

[QUOTE=Mabus;28210113]So you believe that the military is not a valid occupation simply because it entails something you find morally reprehensible? Not everybody feels the same way you do. I believe that people should be allowed to learn whatever they feel like learning in an educational institution, if that involves military matters do be it, if thats what they wish, then all the best to them. They should not be intimidated by others simply for doing something they strive for, and it's not like they are "brainwashed" or anything preposterous like that some people have a genuine interest in that field.[/QUOTE] Not because it entails something I find morally reprehensible, but that it exists solely on something that is universally seen as morally reprehensible, the killing and destruction of other humans. Because the only reasons military forces exist is to cause or react to strife among humanity. The only thing we are doing by allowing ROTC into universities is the furtherance of the military-industrial complex. What salient benefits does this bring to anyone? Why should the universities allow for this? There is no reason why a university would want to allow for a government to influence them down a path that leads to a net loss of life, a net loss of prosperity and happiness. Why would a prestigious university want to have their students thrust into a system which allows for limited freedom of self, and severely restricts intellectual pursuit? Also, the persons in the audience, even if the NY Post article is taken at face value, were in no way 'intimidating' this man. Heckling, yes, but not intimidating.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;28210217]Not because it entails something I find morally reprehensible, but that it exists solely on something that is universally seen as morally reprehensible, the killing and destruction of other humans. Because the only reasons military forces exist is to cause or react to strife among humanity. The only thing we are doing by allowing ROTC into universities is the furtherance of the military-industrial complex. What salient benefits does this bring to anyone? Why should the universities allow for this? There is no reason why a university would want to allow for a government to influence them down a path that leads to a net loss of life, a net loss of prosperity and happiness. Why would a prestigious university want to have their students thrust into a system which allows for limited freedom of self, and severely restricts intellectual pursuit? Also, the persons in the audience, even if the NY Post article is taken at face value, were in no way 'intimidating' this man. Heckling, yes, but not intimidating.[/QUOTE] You seem to believe that everybody shares your sentiments, and that the military is some sort of horrible monster that feeds on destruction and killing, you believe that it impedes intellectual pursuit and limits freedom. I can see that no amount of reasonable debate will change your views. But I shall just say this I disagree with you, I am a University student and a member of a defense forces, I believe that the military is a honorable organisation that is dedicated to the protection of it's people and the upholding of freedom. I am currently studying Engineering with the help of the military. I'm grateful to be a part of it. I plan on traveling on many peacekeeping missions in the future with the knowledge I will have learned and hopefully I can put that knowledge to some use. I disagree with Americas current wars, but still I have respect for those who go out there and try to make a difference, I find it saddening that their is such hostility to what I do. But I will respect your opinion even though though you may not mine.

[QUOTE=Mabus;28210467]You seem to believe that everybody shares your sentiments, and that the military is some sort of horrible monster that feeds on destruction and killing, you believe that it impedes intellectual pursuit and limits freedom. I can see that no amount of reasonable debate will change your views. [i]...snipping this bit of rhetoric prancing as it's completely irrelevant...[/i] But I will respect your opinion even though though you may not mine.[/QUOTE] At which point did you attempt reasoned debate; all you did is say, 'No you're wrong that killing is morally reprehensible' or something to that effect, at least. That's not reasoned debate and you didn't respond to a single one of my arguments that I raised. I ask you again, what salient benefits do people gain from having ROTC at an Ivy League institution? For what purpose would a university want to send its students into a career that devalues them as an individual? Why should I respect a position you hold when you show no rational basis for holding it, and why should I respect it if you're unprepared to defend it? If you're resigning yourself to the outcome that your position is one that is indefensible with the additional quality of being unconvincing in a reasoned debate, why hold that position?

Fuck the argument , that is disgusting behavior towards a combat veteran.

[QUOTE=imarawrus;28208837]You misspell mic by spelling it mike. "Mic" is microphone shortened. "Mike" is Michael shortened. Your whole post is just full of silly. And the fact you thought mic was misspelled just makes it even better. [/QUOTE] NY Post spelled it as "mike" not me. Derp.

[QUOTE=Contag;28208015]Options one, don't fix your mistakes, but be able to do other things. Option two, fix your mistakes, though it will take a great deal of time and effort.[/QUOTE] Option one, don't fix your mistakes. Option two, try to fix your mistakes and fuck up more.

He's a goddamn hero and they're laughing in his face. I'd like to see them do the same thing he did and have to deal with that bull shit. I don't give a fuck about what the big man on the hill tells me to do, I do what I do for the guys next to me.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;28215639]Fuck the argument , that is disgusting behavior towards a combat veteran.[/QUOTE] This. The guy is still in a god damned wheel chair and stuck in his own ignorance. I feel more sadness than anger.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28219230]He's a goddamn hero and they're laughing in his face. I'd like to see them do the same thing he did and have to deal with that bull shit. I don't give a fuck about what the big man on the hill tells me to do, I do what I do for the guys next to me.[/QUOTE] So getting shot by people he's trying to kill makes him a hero? We have some shit standards for what constitutes a hero.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28219266]So getting shot by people he's trying to kill makes him a hero? We have some shit standards for what constitutes a hero.[/QUOTE] We also have some shit people who are asking these questions.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28219266]So getting shot by people he's trying to kill makes him a hero? We have some shit standards for what constitutes a hero.[/QUOTE] You completely missed the point here. I don't see those kids out fighting for their lives out in the mountains of afghanistan

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28219374]You completely missed the point here. I don't see those kids out fighting for their lives out in the mountains of afghanistan[/QUOTE] hey man all my heroes are drug dealers they're out there on the streets fighting for their lives!!!!

Behold, the sound clip! (I hope this hasn't been posted) [url]http://www.columbia.edu/cu/senate/militaryengagement/20110215clip.mp3[/url]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28219402]hey man all my heroes are drug dealers they're out there on the streets fighting for their lives!!!![/QUOTE] While endangering others on purpose. Most soldiers do it because they want to protect people.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28219585]While endangering others on purpose. Most soldiers do it because they want to protect people.[/QUOTE] i was just pointing out that fighting for your life doesnt automatically qualify you as a hero!

[QUOTE=anything576;28219575]Behold, the sound clip! (I hope this hasn't been poster) [url]http://www.columbia.edu/cu/senate/militaryengagement/20110215clip.mp3[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks for that. I can no safely say, Colombia university students were being epic assholes. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;28219683]i was just pointing out that fighting for your life doesnt automatically qualify you as a hero![/QUOTE] I know.....I was backing you up.

[QUOTE=anything576;28219575]Behold, the sound clip! (I hope this hasn't been poster) [url]http://www.columbia.edu/cu/senate/militaryengagement/20110215clip.mp3[/url][/QUOTE] holy shit that guy is a dick he deserved to be laughed out of there [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28219684]Thanks for that. I can no safely say, Colombia university students were being epic assholes. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] I know.....I was backing you up.[/QUOTE] how were they being assholes? hahaha "the choice is don't fight and die or stand up for yourself and don't" he is the asshole. and oh thanks

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28219374]You completely missed the point here. I don't see those kids out fighting for their lives out in the mountains of afghanistan[/QUOTE] Why do they have to be fighting? What makes ignorant people who will willing go off and fuck up the rest of the world any more brave or honorable than those who aren't fucking shit up. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28219585]While endangering others on purpose. Most soldiers do it because they want to protect people.[/QUOTE] Who are they protecting? Not me or any American I know. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28219684]Thanks for that. I can no safely say, Colombia university students were being epic assholes. [/QUOTE] "You're like umm.. discriminating against um... discrimination and thats like um.... convoluted and stuff..."

[QUOTE=Swilly;28219585]While endangering others on purpose. Most soldiers do it because they want to protect people.[/QUOTE] Is that also why he started spewing fear-mongering bullshit To protect people The students handled the situation with all the sophistication of a four year old's tantrum but I don't blame them

my favourite part was when he said that the university is the real ones preying on poor people! and then when he said that by keeping the rotc out they're discriminating against people who want to do something great for america

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28219881]Is that also why he started spewing fear-mongering bullshit To protect people The students handled the situation with all the sophistication of a four year old's tantrum but I don't blame them[/QUOTE] I do, especially since everyone holds up Columbia to such high regards. But he also brought perfectly legitimate points. Such as the fact its very god damned expensive.

They keep the ROTC out, thats odd.