Wounded Iraq vet jeered at by students of Columbia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=IStanI;28220698]Perhaps your anger was misdirected, if you had done research on what their reasons behind 9/11 was and how far your country's meddling in the middle east goes, you wouldn't be as quick to have an overwhelming sense of duty to murder.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm quite aware of all the BS the US government has pulled. The key word here is government. Quite frankly I think the US gov is a piece of shit. I am angry because they attacked MY people, innocent people who had nothing to do with any of that shit. If they had done it to a military instalation that's one thing. I suppose its been a bit too long for most folks here to really remeber that day anyway.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28220843]I can guarentee you I did not do it for someone like you. [/QUOTE] pretty sure you fight for the constitution or whatever

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28220948]Oh I'm quite aware of all the BS the US government has pulled. The key word here is government. Quite frankly I think the US gov is a piece of shit. I am angry because they attacked MY people, innocent people who had nothing to do with any of that shit. If they had done it to a military instalation that's one thing. I suppose its been a bit too long for most folks here to really remeber that day anyway.[/QUOTE] The military industrial complex is a long arm of the government, while you support the military and it's service-members, you are supporting that regime.

I don't understand why they yelled "Racist" I don't see anything racist about it.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28220948]Oh I'm quite aware of all the BS the US government has pulled. The key word here is government. Quite frankly I think the US gov is a piece of shit. I am angry because they attacked MY people, innocent people who had nothing to do with any of that shit. If they had done it to a military instalation that's one thing. I suppose its been a bit too long for most folks here to really remeber that day anyway.[/QUOTE] so i guess you sympathize with many of the "terrorists" who are only fighting because the usa attacked THEIR people?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28220893]"We do it so kids like you can sit at home in comfort and enjoy your freedom to have whatever opinion you have." i believe those were your words.[/QUOTE] That's why we do it, that's not why I joined.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;28221002]I don't understand why they yelled "Racist" I don't see anything racist about it.[/QUOTE] i didn't even hear them yell racist in the audio clip

hey i'm glad there are people willing to pick up a rifle and fight for things since i am not, but let's not sugarcoat the reality of the situation. the us military has done a lot of amazingly bad things in the past and it would be a tragedy if we forget those things, so let's not pretend the military is more than what it is

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;28221002]I don't understand why they yelled "Racist" I don't see anything racist about it.[/QUOTE] You don't see anything racist about insinuating that all Arabs want to kill us? What if I said that I'm afraid that black people are out to get me?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28220941]uhhh he said he did it for peoples freedom to have whatever opinion they want... but now it's only if that opinion is a favourable one concerning the military?[/QUOTE] I get flustered at people who boo the troops because of their opinion concerning the military. Boo your government for coming up with whatever stupid shit they have us do, not the troops for doing their job.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221073]I get flustered at people who boo the troops because of their opinion concerning the military. Boo your government for coming up with whatever stupid shit they have us do, not the troops for doing their job.[/QUOTE] sorry but you chose to do the job so frankly i'll boo you all i want.

[QUOTE=IStanI;28220810]When they blow up a car, thats called terrorism. When you drop bombs from 30,000 feet, that's national defense. I'm beginning to see a pattern between highly intelligent institutions being anti-war/liberal, and lower education generally being patriotic and pro-military.[/QUOTE] Actually, most of the scientific geniuses in the world do not meddle in politics what so ever. They stay away from the topic of war because both sides are neither right nor wrong.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28220948]Oh I'm quite aware of all the BS the US government has pulled. The key word here is government. Quite frankly I think the US gov is a piece of shit. I am angry because they attacked MY people, innocent people who had nothing to do with any of that shit. If they had done it to a military instalation that's one thing. I suppose its been a bit too long for most folks here to really remeber that day anyway.[/QUOTE] I pretty much agree with a lot of what the US did until around 2003. And now it's still going on.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28221010]so i guess you sympathize with many of the "terrorists" who are only fighting because the usa attacked THEIR people?[/QUOTE] To a degree yes. When it comes down to it though for me and all the other troops out there, if he's got a rifle and he's shooting at me I'm damn sure gonna shoot back.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28221067]You don't see anything racist about insinuating that all Arabs want to kill us? What if I said that I'm afraid that black people are out to get me?[/QUOTE] You'd be voicing most of the paranoid white race.

I read "Wounded Iraq Jet Veered at Students of Columbia" I had to read it over twice to make sure. Good thing I was wrong.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28221067]You don't see anything racist about insinuating that all Arabs want to kill us? What if I said that I'm afraid that black people are out to get me?[/QUOTE] He didn't say that he said there are some. It is a fact. How seriously we should take those assholes is another question entirely.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221073]I get flustered at people who boo the troops because of their opinion concerning the military. Boo your government for coming up with whatever stupid shit they have us do, not the troops for doing their job.[/QUOTE] "I know what the government does is wrong, but I'll die doing their dirty work for them anyway." This is what you're saying. If the politicians want to pick fights with other countries, let them be the ones on the front lines. Why should it be the poor and middle class citizens?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221073]I get flustered at people who boo the troops because of their opinion concerning the military. Boo your government for coming up with whatever stupid shit they have us do, not the troops for doing their job.[/QUOTE] That would be like booing the Nazi SS for doing their job when the government told them to do it. It's hard to understand what's been hammered in you since you were a child, that you somehow are defending people by going overseas to support a "preventative-war", but as most research will show you that is not the case.

[QUOTE=Mabus;28210467]You seem to believe that everybody shares your sentiments, and that the military is some sort of horrible monster that feeds on destruction and killing, you believe that it impedes intellectual pursuit and limits freedom. I can see that no amount of reasonable debate will change your views. But I shall just say this I disagree with you, I am a University student and a member of a defense forces, I believe that the military is a honorable organisation that is dedicated to the protection of it's people and the upholding of freedom. I am currently studying Engineering with the help of the military. I'm grateful to be a part of it. I plan on traveling on many peacekeeping missions in the future with the knowledge I will have learned and hopefully I can put that knowledge to some use. I disagree with Americas current wars, but still I have respect for those who go out there and try to make a difference, I find it saddening that their is such hostility to what I do. But I will respect your opinion even though though you may not mine.[/QUOTE] yeah brotip "honor" and "freedom" being listed as reasons why the military is good kind of instantly destroys your credibility it's an organization that kills people who we want dead, for better or worse. There is no inherent "honor" in it.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221129]To a degree yes. When it comes down to it though for me and all the other troops out there, if he's got a rifle and he's shooting at me I'm damn sure gonna shoot back.[/QUOTE] Lets switch roles here. Lets say an American terrorist goes over and rams a plane into some important building in Iraq, then Iraq sends hundreds of thousands of troops into the US and overthrows the government. Would you be pointing your rifle at the Iraq military? Would you be okay with them shooting back at you?

the military is a necessary utilitarian evil designed to make killing humans as impersonal and unpolitical as possible. any kind of sugar coating that you want to add is fine, but don't pretend that other people are assholes for seeing it differently. ultimately in a perfect world we wouldn't have a military but a perfect world doesn't exist so it is what it is

[QUOTE=thisispain;28221233]the military is a necessary utilitarian evil designed to make killing humans as impersonal and unpolitical as possible. any kind of sugar coating that you want to add is fine, but don't pretend that other people are assholes for seeing it differently. ultimately in a perfect world we wouldn't have a military but a perfect world doesn't exist so it is what it is[/QUOTE] That was beautiful...you should write a book. Preemptive I Agree with what he said and I'm serious.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28221215]Lets switch roles here. Lets say an American terrorist goes over and rams a plane into some important building in Iraq, then Iraq sends hundreds of thousands of troops into the US and overthrows the government. Would you be point your rifle at the Iraq military? Would you be okay with them shooting back at you?[/QUOTE] He just said he sympathizes so his answer would likely be yes to both. Also if you want to be technical with that reversal it wouldn't even have been an American terrorist.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28221109]Actually, most of the scientific geniuses in the world do not meddle in politics what so ever. They stay away from the topic of war because both sides are neither right nor wrong.[/QUOTE] maybe that's because "scientific geniuses" are busy doing science however not everyone with an education is a scientific genius

[QUOTE=Swilly;28221260]That was beautiful...you should write a book.[/QUOTE] it'd be 6 pages of politics followed by 300 pages of sex probably if i did so in other words, a perfect hollywood movie

[QUOTE=thisispain;28221233]the military is a necessary utilitarian evil designed to make killing humans as impersonal and unpolitical as possible. any kind of sugar coating that you want to add is fine, but don't pretend that other people are assholes for seeing it differently. ultimately in a perfect world we wouldn't have a military but a perfect world doesn't exist so it is what it is[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't see a problem in having a military. But do we really need to spend more on ours than all other countries in the world combined? That's the part I find silly. I'd honestly be content with just cutting down to match China's military spending which is about 25% of what we currently spend. I'd like to see a world with no military, but yeah it's not gonna happen. I'd also prefer spending less than China does, but we have a hard enough time cutting a dime from defense as it is. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Chilean;28221272]He just said he sympathizes so his answer would likely be yes to both. Also if you want to be technical with that reversal it wouldn't even have been an American terrorist.[/QUOTE] Yeah that true. Let's say it was a Canadian terrorist. Specifically one of those French speaking ones from Quebec.

[QUOTE=IStanI;28221181]That would be like booing the Nazi SS for doing their job when the government told them to do it. It's hard to understand what's been hammered in you since you were a child, that you somehow are defending people by going overseas to support a "preventative-war", but as most research will show you that is not the case.[/QUOTE] I don't boo the low level nazi kids, they were caught up in the same crap as me. As for the politicians shit wars, I suppose someones gotta do their dirty work. But hey, you the people did elect them afterall. In any event I feel like I make a difference. The birds I fly in save troops every day. Hell when all the hurricains hit was was navy and marine helos that came in and saved the stranded people. Say what you want about the war, say whatever to my inital reasonings for signing up, but never say a damn thing about me fighiting for the brothers alongside me. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Chilean;28221272]He just said he sympathizes so his answer would likely be yes to both. Also if you want to be technical with that reversal it wouldn't even have been an American terrorist.[/QUOTE] Hit the nail on the head right there.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221380]I don't boo the low level nazi kids, they were caught up in the same crap as me. As for the politicians shit wars, I suppose someones gotta do their dirty work. But hey, you the people did elect them afterall. In any event I feel like I make a difference. The birds I fly in save troops every day. Hell when all the hurricains hit was was navy and marine helos that came in and saved the stranded people. Say what you want about the war, say whatever to my inital reasonings for signing up, but never say a damn thing about me fighiting for the brothers alongside me. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] Hit the nail on the head right there.[/QUOTE] actually the low level nazi kids were drafted

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28221215]Lets switch roles here. Lets say an American terrorist goes over and rams a plane into some important building in Iraq, then Iraq sends hundreds of thousands of troops into the US and overthrows the government. Would you be pointing your rifle at the Iraq military? Would you be okay with them shooting back at you?[/QUOTE] Don't compare Saddam's government to any US government [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28221067]You don't see anything racist about insinuating that all Arabs want to kill us? What if I said that I'm afraid that black people are out to get me?[/QUOTE] He didn't fucking say that, he didn't fucking insinuate it either I don't give a shit about how prestigious Columbia University is, the article has made me despise it and I would never want to go there