Wounded Iraq vet jeered at by students of Columbia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28221568]Don't compare Saddam's government to any US government [/QUOTE] Ronald Reagen gave WMDs to Saddam. There. I said it.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28221568]Don't compare Saddam's government to any US government He didn't fucking say that, he didn't fucking insinuate it either I don't give a shit about how prestigious Columbia University is, the article has made me despise it and I would never want to go there[/QUOTE] lol... really?

Mmkay Still, Saddam's government took civilians he disliked and put their arm on two cinderblocks, and ordered a friend of the civilian to break the offender's arm with a sledgehammer so, uhh [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;28221620]lol... really?[/QUOTE] Yes, really

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28221632]Mmkay Still, Saddam's government took civilians he disliked and put their arm on two cinderblocks, and ordered a friend of the civilian to break the offender's arm with a sledgehammer so, uhh [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] Yes, really[/QUOTE] ok? not exactly "relevant". and really why?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28221552]actually the low level nazi kids were drafted[/QUOTE] Its not like I joined to kill all the muslims in the world, and I'm sure those kids didn't have extermination of the jews on their "why the fuck am I doing this and not deserting" list.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28221308]Yeah, I don't see a problem in having a military. But do we really need to spend more on ours than all other countries in the world combined? That's the part I find silly. I'd honestly be content with just cutting down to match China's military spending which is about 25% of what we currently spend. I'd like to see a world with no military, but yeah it's not gonna happen. I'd also prefer spending less than China does, but we have a hard enough time cutting a dime from defense as it is.[/QUOTE] A post from you I can agree with! YAY! Seriously, both sides of the Columbia incident need to take a step back and think about what they were doing. On the military guy's side, he really should have thought before saying "PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KILL US! ENLIST!" Fear mongering is an immature way to get people on your side. A more acceptable argument would be something like "There's always the [I]possibility[/I] that people will be trying to kill us. You don't have to enlist, but don't openly hate the people that do. It's their choice. The least you could do is acknowledge it and go grumble amongst yourselves." Meanwhile, those students [I]really[/I] should have tried to be more mature in their protests. Jeering, hissing, and booing are NOT something you should expect an Ivy League student (Columbia is Ivy League, right?) to be doing when stating their side of the argument. How about intelligently stating your oppositions instead of throwing a hissy fit like a freaking 5 year old? I have no sympathy for either side of that particular argument.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28221648]ok? not exactly "relevant". and really why?[/QUOTE] Relevant in that 99% of American people would be pretty pissed in the event of a violent overthrow of the government in America, where the government is, if you wanna be a little shit and call it oppressive, nowhere NEAR as oppressive as Saddam's Iraq, whereas in Iraq many people actually feared the government. I couldn't tell you if the MAJORITY supported it, but it is true that there would be much more reason to overthrow Saddam's Iraq than any US president's US. And why? I assume you are referring to the "I wouldn't go to Columbia" part. I used to be the biggest liberal ever, but then over the years I have found myself leaning toward the right, and often disgusted by the far left and its radical bullshit. Note however, I am still disgusted by the far RIGHT's radical bullshit as well.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28221281]maybe that's because "scientific geniuses" are busy doing science however not everyone with an education is a scientific genius[/QUOTE] This is true

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28219266]So getting shot by people he's trying to kill makes him a hero? We have some shit standards for what constitutes a hero.[/QUOTE] you're a fucking piece of shit, you shouldn't ever even say anything about any standards about being a hero. as this man was being shot eleven times, you were probably posting on this fucking forum, you're a disgusting human being.

[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;28221831]you're a fucking piece of shit, you shouldn't ever even say anything about any standards about being a hero. as this man was being shot eleven times, you were probably posting on this fucking forum, you're a disgusting human being.[/QUOTE] wow so to be a hero all you need to do is get shot???!!! alright!

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;28221858]wow so to be a hero all you need to do is get shot???!!! alright![/QUOTE] The next time you get in a fire fight and your best friend gets shot up trying to cover your ass because you're a blue falcon hit me up and ask me if he was a hero.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221990]The next time you get in a fire fight and your best friend gets shot up trying to cover your ass because you're a blue falcon hit me up and ask me if he was a hero.[/QUOTE] well i don't get into much firefights but ok! hopefully i get shot too so i can be a hero

How old are you Lachz0r, you sound twelve, you sound like I used to when I was a liberal

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221990]The next time you get in a fire fight and your best friend gets shot up trying to cover your ass because you're a blue falcon hit me up and ask me if he was a hero.[/QUOTE] are we working with a solid definition of hero here, or is it just a game of whoever has the biggest emotional investment wins personally i see people who enact wide scale change and who dedicate themselves to saving lives as heroes i mean it's intent that matters at the end of the day if we're judging people's character, right

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28222257]How old are you Lachz0r, you sound twelve, you sound like I used to when I was a liberal[/QUOTE] i'm 19 :). why do i sound 12?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28222257]How old are you Lachz0r, you sound twelve, you sound like I used to when I was a liberal[/QUOTE] How old are you? I can't think of any point in time when I was superficial enough to boil my opinion down to "liberal" or "conservative". [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] And Jimmema I would advise against the whole "in a firefight you'd be a coward and therefor your opinion is wrong" crap. I can think of a lot of people in history and in present day who probably would be cowards in a firefight who were and are quite intelligent valuable people who changed our world for the better more than any individual soldier

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222260]are we working with a solid definition of hero here, or is it just a game of whoever has the biggest emotional investment wins personally i see people who enact wide scale change and who dedicate themselves to saving lives as heroes i mean it's intent that matters at the end of the day if we're judging people's character, right[/QUOTE] In my opinion he fights the solid definition of a hero. Sure he's no john basilone but he faced a daunting situation with courage and almost paid the ultimate sacrifice while doing his duty.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222290]How old are you? I can't think of any point in time when I was superficial enough to boil my opinion down to "liberal" or "conservative".[/QUOTE] I am only 15. And all I did was say I was a former liberal, and I was.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28222420]In my opinion he fights the solid definition of a hero. Sure he's no john basilone but he faced a daunting situation with courage and almost paid the ultimate sacrifice while doing his duty.[/QUOTE] well yeah lots of people face daunting situations with courage and end up dead not all of them are particularly good people, so i don't see how that makes you a hero i mean pretty much every suicide bomber faces a pretty daunting situation. doesn't make them heros persay.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222290]How old are you? I can't think of any point in time when I was superficial enough to boil my opinion down to "liberal" or "conservative". [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] And Jimmema I would advise against the whole "in a firefight you'd be a coward and therefor your opinion is wrong" crap. I can think of a lot of people in history and in present day who probably would be cowards in a firefight who were and are quite intelligent valuable people who changed our world for the better more than any individual soldier[/QUOTE] I never said anything about him being a coward, I was playing off the idea of his best friend being shot up whilst saving his life. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222513]well yeah lots of people face daunting situations with courage and end up dead not all of them are particularly good people, so i don't see how that makes you a hero i mean pretty much every suicide bomber faces a pretty daunting situation. doesn't make them heros persay.[/QUOTE] Its all in the eyes of the beholder. All I know is if my buddy jumped on a grenade to save my life, even is he was a real shitbag, he'd be a hero in my eyes.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28222457]I am only 15. And all I did was say I was a former liberal, and I was.[/QUOTE] shit, you're fifteen and you're bitching about people's supposed age I was never dumb enough to call myself a liberal, what's your excuse. [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28222519]I never said anything about him being a coward, I was playing off the idea of his best friend being shot up whilst saving his life. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] Its all in the eyes of the beholder. All I know is if my buddy jumped on a grenade to save my life, even is he was a real shitbag, he'd be a hero in my eyes.[/QUOTE] see this is what I'm talking about your argument consists of nothing but appealing to emotion which is fine for personal reasons i guess, but when you try to apply "people who make sacrifices for others are heroes", you get into a lot of iffy gray areas. Such as suicide bombers. [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] This is why I hate the word "hero". "Honor" is a stupid word too.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28221129]To a degree yes. When it comes down to it though for me and all the other troops out there, if he's got a rifle and he's shooting at me I'm damn sure gonna shoot back.[/QUOTE] It isn't self defense if you willingly put yourself in a situation where you know without a doubt that you will need to shoot at someone That argument would only be valid if they invaded US soil I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong by joining the military, you absolutely are not doing anything wrong, but to say that you are doing it to protect yourself or other Americans is bollocks

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28204743]Hahaha this is awesome. "dem brown people wunzta kill us god fearin mericuns. its peples liekk me who gotta put a few boolets in dem." Good job perpetuating the war we're not supporting dick head. There wouldn't be a war to protest about if dumbasses like him didn't sign up for it. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] Also lol @ biased NY Post article. "war hero", "bravely stepped up to the mike (sic)" Haha, how the hell do they misspell "mic". :downs: Good one Rupert.[/QUOTE] You know, I was gonna come in here and attempt to make a point regarding the problems with the "Love the Soldier, Hate the war." conversation, but you just had to go let off this pile of shit. Now I'd feel like I'm siding with you if I made my point. Thanks.

[QUOTE=DanRatherman;28222894]You know, I was gonna come in here and attempt to make a point regarding the problems with the "Love the Soldier, Hate the war." conversation, but you just had to go let off this pile of shit. Now I'd feel like I'm siding with you if I made my point. Thanks.[/QUOTE] you let emotion get in the way of your logical discourse YOU ARE WEAK

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28222748]It isn't self defense if you willingly put yourself in a situation where you know without a doubt that you will need to shoot at someone That argument would only be valid if they invaded US soil I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong by joining the military, you absolutely are not doing anything wrong, but to say that you are doing it to protect yourself or other Americans is bollocks[/QUOTE] Its kinda hard to explain why exactly we do what we do without you being in our situation. I can only describe it so much to someone that isn't a soldier if that makes any sense.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28222988]Its kinda hard to explain why exactly we do what we do without you being in our situation. I can only describe it so much to someone that isn't a soldier if that makes any sense.[/QUOTE] this is sounding like you either don't have a reason or your reason is really really vague and silly like most every other reason that's been posted for joining the army just so you know

That guy certainly has a lot more balls to face bullets unlike the rest of the students.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28223040]That guy certainly has a lot more balls to face bullets unlike the rest of the students.[/QUOTE] you know who didn't have the balls to face bullets einstein what a useless fuckstain amirite i mean what did he even do

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28223105]you know who didn't have the balls to face bullets einstein what a useless fuckstain amirite i mean what did he even do[/QUOTE] you know who had balls to face bullets? a generation of American citizens during WW2 such dumb people. why did we need to worry about hitler lololololol

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28222988]Its kinda hard to explain why exactly we do what we do without you being in our situation. I can only describe it so much to someone that isn't a soldier if that makes any sense.[/QUOTE] If you have to resort to this type of special pleading, your argument is worthless. The only way this would work is if the thing you were talking about was some sort of specialty topic where you need a large body of supporting facts to fully support the theory being put forth. (e. g. Quantum Mechanics, Analytical Chemistry, &c) Joining the military and fighting a preemptive war on foreign soil is not one of those topics. Even if it were, it would be your place to give us a remedial lesson.