Wounded Iraq vet jeered at by students of Columbia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28223184]you know who had balls to face bullets? a generation of American citizens during WW2 such dumb people. why did we need to worry about hitler lololololol[/QUOTE] lolol except it took a long as time for America to intervene because they were getting rich off the war and didn't give a fuck lolol

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28223184]you know who had balls to face bullets? a generation of American citizens during WW2 such dumb people. why did we need to worry about hitler lololololol[/QUOTE] i think you're kinda missing my point like, completely

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28223016]this is sounding like you either don't have a reason or your reason is really really vague and silly like most every other reason that's been posted for joining the army just so you know[/QUOTE] You're asking me to try to describe bonds between marines and why we fight for one another. The reasoning for the fight is none of our buisness, we just know we have to fight and when we fight we've only got eachother to rely on.

but your appeals to emotion would impress quite a lot of people in the bible belt im sure [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28223283]You're asking me to try to describe bonds between marines and why we fight for one another. The reasoning for the fight is none of our buisness, we just know we have to fight and when we fight we've only got eachother to rely on.[/QUOTE] so you don't think about what you're doing and you have no individuality beyond what the government lets you have

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222572]shit, you're fifteen and you're bitching about people's supposed age I was never dumb enough to call myself a liberal, what's your excuse.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with calling myself a (former) liberal? I was completely fucking NUTS liberal. I was born in Connecticut and raised on fucking Alabama, I would run around, tell people God doesn't exist, tell them what to believe politically, even though I knew jack shit. Hell I fucking went on Runescape with the names "Deity False", "Jesus Xhrist", etc and stood around Lumbridge yelling "God doesn't exist", "Gay rights!" "Civil rights" "Women's rights" Tell me that's not a fucking liberal, albeit a moronic one

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223316]What's wrong with calling myself a (former) liberal? I was completely fucking NUTS liberal. I was born in Connecticut and raised on fucking Alabama, I would run around, tell people God doesn't exist, tell them what to believe politically, even though I knew jack shit. Hell I fucking went on Runescape with the names "Deity False", "Jesus Xhrist", etc and stood around Lumbridge yelling "God doesn't exist", "Gay rights!" "Civil rights" "Women's rights" Tell me that's not a fucking liberal, albeit a moronic one[/QUOTE] Wow you're hardcore alright

My body wasn't ready. But I suppose if I must. The argument always seemed a bit unfair, as it immediately implies complete unwillingness or choice on behalf of the soldier. As this war hasn't instituted a draft, the entirety of the fighting force is conceivably voluntary. This removes the immediate conundrum of the fault lying only with the government or the war leadership for the soldier's presence in Iraq. As history has shown, those in military positions who are accused of committing crimes are often found guilty despite the "Only following orders" defense. It's a form of nationalism or blamelessness to absolve a current war's soldiers from responsibility. Those who were involved in Vietnam now take a large part of the blame for many of the unsavory actions that the U.S. Army undertook. While many soldiers are the idealized image of a man fighting for freedom and his people's well being, it's important to remember that those who joined before the war had no immediate threat to freedom and those who joined afterwards would have been aware of the moral ambiguity of the war. It's sort of an excuse to defend people we know against allegations of blame. Those who are involved in an event organized by others must take responsibility for the events that occur in it.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28223283]You're asking me to try to describe bonds between marines and why we fight for one another. The reasoning for the fight is none of our buisness, we just know we have to fight and when we fight we've only got eachother to rely on.[/QUOTE] No, we're asking you to explain the reason you joined in the first place, and why you feel it's morally justified. We're not expecting you to explain any sort of "mystic bond" between you and your unit of replaceable men.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223316]What's wrong with calling myself a (former) liberal? I was completely fucking NUTS liberal. I was born in Connecticut and raised on fucking Alabama, I would run around, tell people God doesn't exist, tell them what to believe politically, even though I knew jack shit. Hell I fucking went on Runescape with the names "Deity False", "Jesus Xhrist", etc and stood around Lumbridge yelling "God doesn't exist", "Gay rights!" "Civil rights" "Women's rights" Tell me that's not a fucking liberal, albeit a moronic one[/QUOTE] Why did you think this was a good idea to post?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223316]What's wrong with calling myself a (former) liberal? I was completely fucking NUTS liberal. I was born in Connecticut and raised on fucking Alabama, I would run around, tell people God doesn't exist, tell them what to believe politically, even though I knew jack shit. Hell I fucking went on Runescape with the names "Deity False", "Jesus Xhrist", etc and stood around Lumbridge yelling "God doesn't exist", "Gay rights!" "Civil rights" "Women's rights" Tell me that's not a fucking liberal, albeit a moronic one[/QUOTE] that's not called being a liberal that's called being an asshole

Because I don't understand this bullshit about why it's wrong to call myself or someone else liberal I was incredibly dumb back then mind you but someone needs to explain me this stuff

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28222457]I am only 15. And all I did was say I was a former liberal, and I was.[/QUOTE] ahahahahah former liberal, so when you were 12? or 13? hahahaha why is a 15 year old making fun of my age!!!

yes, when I was 12 or 13

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28223040]That guy certainly has a lot more balls to face bullets unlike the rest of the students.[/QUOTE] i'd rather have brains than balls. luckily i have both :twisted: [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223448]yes, when I was 12 or 13[/QUOTE] i wonder what happened in those whole 2 years to turn you into a world weary conservative cynic

Many things Note that I'm not exactly a con... Oh fuck it maybe I am. I don't know. I disagree with both parties on many things. I really don't know.

This thread just got a whole lot better [QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223448]yes, when I was 12 or 13[/QUOTE] Well of course you flipped sides, you must have gained enough knowledge in [i]8th grade[/i] to change your perception of politics entirely

[QUOTE=ken188;28205145]Only people who didn't do well in school, and as a result didnt get accepted into a good college, join the military. Good luck recruiting people from Columbia...[/QUOTE] A little late of a response, but I got accepted to the college I wanted to attend with an academic scholarship and plan on joining the military before attending.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223530]Many things Note that I'm not exactly a con... Oh fuck it maybe I am. I don't know. I disagree with both parties on many things. I really don't know.[/QUOTE] you dont understand, i'm making fun of you for being younger than me

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222572]I was never dumb enough to call myself a liberal, what's your excuse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28222290]How old are you? I can't think of any point in time when I was superficial enough to boil my opinion down to "liberal" or "conservative".[/QUOTE] I still need someone to explain to my why I was in the wrong

[QUOTE=Deac;28223550]A little late of a response, but I got accepted to the college I wanted to attend with an academic scholarship and plan on joining the military before attending.[/QUOTE] can you explain why the army is great, cause so far jimmema ain't delivering

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28223613]can you explain why the army is great, cause so far jimmema ain't delivering[/QUOTE] My uncle used to have a boner for joining the military, i tried to obtain the same answer but all i got from him is money and splosions he also loves call of duty

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223589]I still need someone to explain to my why I was in the wrong[/QUOTE] lemme bold it for ya [quote][B]I can't think of any point in time when I was superficial enough to boil my opinion down to "liberal" or "conservative".[/B][/quote] the point being if you have a nuanced opinion you aren't either but you know what fuck it you're 15 and you're bitching about people's age [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;28223651]My uncle used to have a boner for joining the military, i tried to obtain the same answer but all i got from him is money and splosions he also loves call of duty[/QUOTE] if i want splosions i'll watch a michael bay movie damnit

I wasn't damn split back then, though. I am now. that's the point.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28223288]but your appeals to emotion would impress quite a lot of people in the bible belt im sure [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] so you don't think about what you're doing and you have no individuality beyond what the government lets you have[/QUOTE] We think about what we're doing, you won't see me jumping into a firefight without an idea as to what I'm doings. And yeah, individuality wise we're only allowed what the gov allows us. I'm ok with that though, I guess I'm a pretty bland person hence why I was able to conform to military life pretty easily. As for why the military is great from a job standpoint there's nothing more solid. 2 guarenteed paychecks a month, free food, medical, room and board. Free school, free pretty much everything. Ontop of that I get paid to fly and blow shit up. While all this is a bonus for me those reasons are partially why I joined.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28223992] As for why the military is great from a job standpoint there's nothing more solid. 2 guarenteed paychecks a month, free food, medical, room and board. Free school, free pretty much everything. Ontop of that I get paid to fly and blow shit up. While all this is a bonus for me those reasons are partially why I joined.[/QUOTE] Damn did i call that or what

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;28223743]I wasn't damn split back then, though. I am now. that's the point.[/QUOTE] You were and still are too young to even have an opinion on politics. Graduate high school then you can be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28223992]We think about what we're doing, you won't see me jumping into a firefight without an idea as to what I'm doings. And yeah, individuality wise we're only allowed what the gov allows us. I'm ok with that though, I guess I'm a pretty bland person hence why I was able to conform to military life pretty easily. As for why the military is great from a job standpoint there's nothing more solid. 2 guarenteed paychecks a month, free food, medical, room and board. Free school, free pretty much everything. Ontop of that I get paid to fly and blow shit up. While all this is a bonus for me those reasons are partially why I joined.[/QUOTE] So you don't put any thought whatsoever into the possible moral implications of your job. The fact that you get to make splosions is enough for you.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;28223353]No, we're asking you to explain the reason you joined in the first place, and why you feel it's morally justified. We're not expecting you to explain any sort of "mystic bond" between you and your unit of replaceable men.[/QUOTE] Welp my honest reason I joined was because I was angry with everything I saw happening to americans and europeans on tv. 9/11 is what got the ball rolling, and watching people get beheaded and women stoned to death just made it more and more viable to me. By the time I was of age to join these images were still in my head. I had a choice, and I wanted to make a difference. Sure there are other waysm joining the military sure as hell wasn't the best one, but its the one I made. I chose a job I knew would get me into situations where I would be pinical in the lives of the soldiers on the ground. I want to know that I made a difference for them, whether it be simply dropping off some much needed supplies or saving a captured soldier from certain tourture and death. And from speaking with the grunts on the ground I know that we make a huge difference for them. To me its not about polotics, its about protecting my fellow american, my fellow marines.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28224160]Welp my honest reason I joined was because I was angry with everything I saw happening to americans and europeans on tv. 9/11 is what got the ball rolling, and watching people get beheaded and women stoned to death just made it more and more viable to me. By the time I was of age to join these images were still in my head. I had a choice, and I wanted to make a difference. Sure there are other waysm joining the military sure as hell wasn't the best one, but its the one I made. I chose a job I knew would get me into situations where I would be pinical in the lives of the soldiers on the ground. I want to know that I made a difference for them, whether it be simply dropping off some much needed supplies or saving a captured soldier from certain tourture and death. And from speaking with the grunts on the ground I know that we make a huge difference for them. To me its not about polotics, its about protecting my fellow american, my fellow marines.[/QUOTE] well if it makes you feel any better joining the army didn't help you do any of the things you wanted to accomplish either which you would know if you would bring your head out of your honorable heroic ass and think about the situation you're in intelligently

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28224082]So you don't put any thought whatsoever into the possible moral implications of your job. The fact that you get to make splosions is enough for you.[/QUOTE] Partially is the key here. I mean honestly, who would jump into a life changing event without knowing the implications of such a thing. Even if I didn't get all that I probably still would have joined. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28224200]well if it makes you feel any better joining the army didn't help you do any of the things you wanted to accomplish either which you would know if you would bring your head out of your honorable heroic ass and think about the situation you're in intelligently[/QUOTE] 1. I'm a Marine, there's a goddamn difference. 2. I have done what I've wanted to do. I've made the difference in peoples lives