Wounded Iraq vet jeered at by students of Columbia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;28240283]Are you seriously trying to play off the Taliban as good people?[/QUOTE] taliban are far from sane

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;28240283]Are you seriously trying to play off the Taliban as good people?[/QUOTE] No, he just said that the Taliban have no interest in invading the US or attacking the US or anything. They only attack the US because we're invading their turf.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28241144]No, he just said that the Taliban have no interest in invading the US or attacking the US or anything. They only attack the US because we're invading their turf.[/QUOTE] Ah I see what he was saying now. Anyway, removing the Taliban from power is a good thing for the people of Afghanistan, the questionable thing is how the US is going about it. The way the war is being fought is retarded and for every family that is glad to be free from oppression there is another family that despises the Coalition for dropping mortars on their village.

Takes Ivy League kids to be massive pussies and be afraid of ROTC, something I did for 4 years. :colbert:

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;28241863]Ah I see what he was saying now. Anyway, removing the Taliban from power is a good thing for the people of Afghanistan, the questionable thing is how the US is going about it. The way the war is being fought is retarded and for every family that is glad to be free from oppression there is another family that despises the Coalition for dropping mortars on their village.[/QUOTE] The Taliban isn't in power. They haven't been for 8 years [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;28241891]Takes Ivy League kids to be massive pussies and be afraid of ROTC, something I did for 4 years. :colbert:[/QUOTE] pussies? How about the fact ROTC is a stupid programme pushing for the military. What is with this stupid argument that anti-military people are ONLY anti-military because they're afraid to join.

[QUOTE=amute;28242353]The Taliban isn't in power. They haven't been for 8 years [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] pussies? How about the fact ROTC is a stupid programme pushing for the military. What is with this stupid argument that anti-military people are ONLY anti-military because they're afraid to join.[/QUOTE] rotc is entirely optional and is for people who want to join the military

[QUOTE=W0w00t;28243197]rotc is entirely optional and is for people who want to join the military[/QUOTE] At a very young age. Using lots of buzz words and propaganda you see the issue?

[QUOTE=amute;28243952]At a very young age. Using lots of buzz words and propaganda you see the issue?[/QUOTE] Typically people who join ROTC know what its about and know what they're getting into, and usually they already think along the lines of those "buzz words" and "propaganda".

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;28244969]Typically people who join ROTC know what its about and know what they're getting into, and usually they already think along the lines of those "buzz words" and "propaganda".[/QUOTE] you mean unlike yourself

[QUOTE=MasterG;28245996]Disgusting. You should support and respect the people who are willing to die to protect you regardless of the politics involved in the war.[/QUOTE] Regardless of the politics? What, how the fuck does the politics not matter? Protect the country from whom, Masterg? [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] You're acting like there's some sort of substance to your post

[QUOTE=MasterG;28245996]Disgusting. You should support and respect the people who are willing to die to protect you regardless of the politics involved in the war.[/QUOTE] well that's not strictly true considering unclejimemma has already stated that he does his job because it's convenient and he gets to blow shit up

It's untrue to state that a war waged not directly in self-defence is never justifiable. Take, for example, the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan - it is not directly self-defence, but it is justifiable to attack and destroy them. It may be true that the US showed a remarkable lack of foresight in arming a group which would promptly become an enemy once the mutual threat was removed. However, that's of no relevance in the reasoning to utterly destroy the Taliban, just as it is to destroy the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa. Also, I don't believe that the US is NOT aiming for democracy in Iraq. While the nation's far from perfect in its political systems, it is certainly improving. E: You can't argue that the US shouldn't have attacked Iraq for the sake of removing Saddam (not saying that's the only reason). Saddam was a bad man who committed genocide against his own people - the situation can only be improved through his removal, and careful action afterwards. I know there was bloody sectarian violence in the direct aftermath, but that's on the decline, showing it is never a permanent fixture. In the long run, which should always be considered, it is better for Iraq without Saddam and the Baathist party, than with him. Also disagree that the only way to keep the peace in a country with multiple factions is to brutally suppress one of them. That's completely untrue - it's hard work, but we CAN all get along, in one form or another. You suggested the Kurds declaring their own state; well, far as I'm aware, they sort of have in the North, and it's working out great for them. A more united example is the ideal of Lebanon, where the Shi'ites, Sunnis and (forgot the other, Christians?) actually live together due to a shared power arrangement. It works. Finally (lots of different points, I know), you can't argue that entering the army is inherently wrong because it can be used for ignoble purposes. I'm not arguing that nations HAVE, WILL and CAN use military force and wars for unjust purposes, as they certainly have in the past. However, that is not the theoretical purpose of the army, nor is it the constant realistic one. Unlike the Vietnam War (when people even argue over that), you can't say as a fact that the US assault on Saddam, or the Taliban, is just wrong. We're debating it right now! Point is, people entering the military should not assume they'll be used for a wrong reason; potential police should assume they'll be used to bash peaceful protesters, by that line.