[QUOTE=Tureis;43637481]The fires of freedom must be refreshed time to time from the tires of patriots.[/QUOTE]
[i]Real[/i] freedom smells like carcinogens and crushed dirt.
They're putting the wall of fire out, somethings telling me there's going to be an assault soon.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;43637760]They're putting the wall of fire out, somethings telling me there's going to be an assault soon.[/QUOTE]
What if the tanks are behind all that smoke waiting to charge in?
[QUOTE=kiloy;43637773]What if the tanks are behind all that smoke waiting to charge in?[/QUOTE]
You run.
And suddenly church.
[QUOTE=kiloy;43637640]Stream just cut out with a message I cant read
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[IMG]http://gyazo.com/18a4048f859a3cc02dadfe6f43cf371e.png[/IMG]
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Also right before it sounded like 3 gunshots. Its back up though[/QUOTE]
Transliteration (might be off, my Cyrillic reading is rusty):
Pereboi z translyatsiyeyu
Narazi mi virishuyemo tekhnichni problemi
Translyatsiya trevaye. Dyakuyemo za pidtrimku!
Dopomozhit proyektu
I don't speak Ukrainian or Russian, can't even tell which language this is, but this looks like "technical problems" and some stuff about a connection to me.
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43637057]Man Ukraine is fucked, feel bloody bad for them right now
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Ukrainians hate Russia and I doubt the army is 100% loyal to the government.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43637863]Ukrainians hate Russia and I doubt the army is 100% loyal to the government.[/QUOTE]
But there's also a large russian/russian descendant population in Ukraine, so this is one of the reasons why this whole conflict is so worrying.
I think that if Ukraine ends up becoming Syria 2: Electric Boogaloo than people in the west will care a lot more seeing as these people are white.
doubt it, syria was a complete dictatorship with no real effective means of doing anything. ukraine has had a working economy and everything its just the goverment seems to have forgotten what it exists to do
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C4IVUTn.png[/IMG]\
The APC looks more or less like a Unarmed BTR-90. This isn't as bad as people think it is, it's just for getting military personnel from point a to b without having to worry about getting fried by mollies. A ARMED BTR-90 would be a extremely dangerous threat to protesters and such.
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The main gun of the BTR-90 is a 30 mm Shipunov 2A42 auto cannon. The vehicle carries an ammunition load of five hundred rounds for this weapon.
A 7.62 mm PKT coaxial machine gun with 2000 rounds and a 30 mm AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher are the secondary armaments of the BTR-90.
A guided missile system is also available for engaging armoured targets. This consists of four AT-5 Spandrel (Konkurs) missiles mounted on the turret. The launching unit is detachable, and can be used to launch missiles from the ground.[3]
All the weapons are mounted on the turret and are assisted by a fire control system.[7] The fire control system allows the weapons to be used while the vehicle is moving, and in all weather conditions. The turret can be traversed 360 degrees with an elevation range of −5 to +75 degrees.[6][8] The vehicle’s weaponry allows it to engage targets at ranges up to 4 km. Helicopters and fortifications can be engaged at ranges up to 2.5 km.
In addition to the vehicle’s weapons, its occupants have the ability to fire their weapons through available firing ports and hatches, increasing its firepower.
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Armed variants of the APC (Converting it into pretty much a Infantry Fighting Vehicle) would be unstoppable with any sort of weapon available to civilians and has the potential to cause mass casualties. Should it be used, Ukraine would diplomatically fuck themselves over.
why? The Egyptian army used machine gun armed APCs on protesters to kill lots of them and no one really cared.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43638059]why? The Egyptian army used machine gun armed APCs on protesters to kill lots of them and no one really cared.[/QUOTE]
Because people are racist fucks who only care about people who look like them.
when news agencies use the word tanks to refer to ifv/apcs.
This all feels so very surreal. It's actually kind of scary, even thousands of miles away.
It's slightly infuriating that even with all these cameras and documentation CNN only reserved a 30 second slip for the Jake Tapper show, or whatever it's called.
Utterly baffling.
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;43636853]Probably getting placed on some NSA watchlist but come on ... we've been taking way to much shit from all of our governments.
The whole EU fiasco with referendums being hold, and governments action 100% opposite to the outcome. The whole NSA spying scandal which got everyone riled up, but people are letting up now.
Wars being fought not supported by the population.
Political promises not being kept..
[B]A democracy is a political system in which the government fears the population, not one where the population fears the government. That's called a tyranny.[/B]
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I'm not some revolutionairy, but come on... there's a line which is going to be crossed at some point.[/QUOTE]
You realize these protests are happening because Putin's influence on the government of Ukraine, right?
Music to watch the world burn to;
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWemXNsSl10[/media]
[QUOTE=mc lovin;43638224]You realize these protests are happening because Putin's influence on the government of Ukraine, right?[/QUOTE]
My stepmom said that all the protesting was over the Olympics... Family, gotta love em
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43638089]when news agencies use the word tanks to refer to ifv/apcs.[/QUOTE]
There were pictures of T-72s being transported by truck posted earlier.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43637132]That was China, a nation with thorough indoctrination at all levels of society, especially the military.
This is Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
i was just replying to someone else's assumption that they would use them for peaceful means, theres nothing stopping them from using them to run through crowds and end the protest the fast way, espeacially since the goverment has essentially ordered the military to incapacitate or kill everyone in the protest. i doubt in this case they would resort to that sort of thing, but i don't know what ukrainian soldeirs are capable of or what orders the military is willing to follow. ya in china's case they basically put a gun to the driver's head and said drive through the protestors or be killed when you get back
[QUOTE=Incoming.;43638216]It's slightly infuriating that even with all these cameras and documentation CNN only reserved a 30 second slip for the Jake Tapper show, or whatever it's called.
Utterly baffling.[/QUOTE]Because our countries' media are fucking retarded.
I'm kind of surprised the police haven't taken advantage of the lull in protests and just storm in and clear the square.
I'm hoping that doesn't happen though.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;43638030][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C4IVUTn.png[/IMG]\
The APC looks more or less like a Unarmed BTR-90. This isn't as bad as people think it is, it's just for getting military personnel from point a to b without having to worry about getting fried by mollies. A ARMED BTR-90 would be a extremely dangerous threat to protesters and such.
Armed variants of the APC (Converting it into pretty much a Infantry Fighting Vehicle) would be unstoppable with any sort of weapon available to civilians and has the potential to cause mass casualties. Should it be used, Ukraine would diplomatically fuck themselves over.[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine if armed APCs started getting used, the members in those APCs getting orders to shoot civis would probably tell their commanders to get fucked.
So is there an updated body count/missing persons list? I think the number should be updated in the title/OP so that we can better see when/if/how the protest is escalating.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43638739]I'd imagine if armed APCs started getting used, the members in those APCs getting orders to shoot civis would probably tell their commanders to get fucked.[/QUOTE]
like they did in egypt and Syria?
Well I guess you're half right in Syria, some of them did :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43638739]I'd imagine if armed APCs started getting used, the members in those APCs getting orders to shoot civis would probably tell their commanders to get fucked.[/QUOTE]
Not if they just watched some comrade of theirs get shot by the violent crowd.
It'd be a shitfest, but that's how it happens.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43638772]like they did in egypt and Syria?
Well I guess you're half right in Syria, some of them did :v:[/QUOTE]
Few did in Egypt iirc, or at-least they said, "Yeah, go fuck yourself" and just didn't do anything but stand guard.
I honestly hope this government is overthrown though, the fact they are willingly threatening people with, "mass disturbance" via cellphone really is all you need to know about the tyranny they are committing.
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[QUOTE=Mbbird;43638787]Not if they just watched some comrade of theirs get shot by the violent crowd.
It'd be a shitfest, but that's how it happens.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, then it'd just be a moral quagmire of bullshit.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43638797]Few did in Egypt iirc, or at-least they said, "Yeah, go fuck yourself" and just didn't do anything but stand guard.[/QUOTE]
They shot dead 600 protesters in several days in egypt.
No one cares.
[video=youtube;NSQ989fCrbU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQ989fCrbU[/video]
uhh, here are the tanks heading into Kiev
shit
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