but to act as though the few looting invalidate the people protesting for their rights is wrong
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43647893]I've given you a perfectly good arguement. With several examples where similar activity took place.
I would argue that the UK riots were comparable. A number of legitimate protesters, peacefully standing up for what they believe (in both cases against a government which they believe is not acting in their interests) then opportunists join in and get violent, in this protest the protesters started the violence and I will say again in one of the videos there is a thug throwing petrol bombs at police while smiling, up to this point, to my knowledge, the police had done nothing more than wall the crowd off.
I have been to protests, I know what it is like when unsavory groups hijack it for their own agenda, be it political or simply them being animals.
Real poor straw man there, the crowd goes beyond what you see on that screen. It is in different cities where they are smashing windows to enter buildings, true I am speculating about them robbing but if you believe its not happening just because you don't see it then you are too quick to trust a bias media. Most of the cameras are supporting the riots, that is their agenda, do you think it helps their agenda for people to see "protesters" robbing.
So I've given examples and reasoning. I have explained my comparison to the uk riots.
Is that a better arguement?
Also out of interest have you ever been to a big protest? There are always opportunists.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's why people are massively sitting at the Independance Square.
That's probably also why all over Ukraine people are forcing their local governments to step down, and transfer power to the revolution.
It's because the plan is, to create an excuse, and an opportunity for the few bad eggs that start looting as soon as a demonstration or a riot starts.
The plan is, everyone in the Ukraine will move to mansions located all over the EU, with the profits they make from selling the 20 stolen CRT televisions....
Also most media is pro-riots/pro-reform? You have no idea what you're talking about. London were a bunch of chavs who felt like having a good fight with the police, just because.
This is a struggle of a population to shed themselves from a policital aristocracy that does not harbour their interests.
[del]Asshat.[/del]
I apologize for that remark unreservedly, but I won't insult your intelligence by believing that you believe what you just said is true.
Is there a crowd stream
[editline]23rd January 2014[/editline]
also i go away and come back and the fires out
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;43645939]What if the western part of Ukraine(that is largely ethic ukrainians) continues as Ukraine and the Russian part of it joins Russia/becomes independent.?
Wouldn't that make everyone happy but of course it isn't that easy to just do that sadly.
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/img][/QUOTE]
This seems like it would be best. Let Russia annex East Ukraine, and let West Ukraine become independent and join the EU.
Lol what is this
[t]http://imgkk.com/i/74cn.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=smurfy;43648890]Lol what is this
[t]http://imgkk.com/i/74cn.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I prefer this version
[t]http://i.cubeupload.com/gsVIXV.jpg[/t]
Any updates on the situation?
Mornin' Ukraine.
I wonder how was the night for them.
[QUOTE=Dromlexer;43650752]Mornin' Ukraine.
I wonder how was the night for them.[/QUOTE]
ceasefire
[QUOTE=Dromlexer;43650752]Mornin' Ukraine.
I wonder how was the night for them.[/QUOTE]
Cold as balls.
When doe sthe ceasefire end, since if it doesn't renew by then you can guarantee a fight breaking out eventually.
Colbert focused on the riots during his show tonight.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43647501]Agreed. Lots of these people will just be opportunist thugs.
In uk we had riots a couple of years back when the cops killed an "unarmed" man.
All the chavvy kids went round smashing up shops and stealing tvs, when interviewed on the news some of them didn't even know how the riots started, just relished the opportunity to "stick it to da man"[/QUOTE]
You seriously comparing the retarded London riots to a people scrambling to defend democracy in their nation? Stay in school kid.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;43636584]Nah it looked like the Georgian flag.[/QUOTE]
If I had to guess it would be the flag of Volyn Oblast which was the birthplace of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Volyn_flag.svg/320px-Volyn_flag.svg.png[/IMG]
Frequency of posts has definately lowered. It's because of the ceasefire, isn't it?
Whens the ceasefire expire, anyway?
All we can do is wait and hope the government listens to the opposition.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;43651413]Whens the ceasefire expire, anyway?[/QUOTE]
"this morning"
any time now really.
Safe to say the ceasefire is over, the wall of smoke is returning and there's periodic chanting.
Related: [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/world/europe/ukraine.html?hp&_r=0"]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/world/europe/ukraine.html?hp&_r=0[/URL]
Looks like the police never took heed to it, anyway.
Can't get over some of these photos.
[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/1486020_10152220880310645_1128553976_o.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;43651453]All we can do is wait and hope the government listens to the opposition.[/QUOTE]
They'll make a minor concession and turn their back on it later if thats the case.
it has been really calm the last few days. I think no one really longs to being hit in the head by grenades or molotov cocktails.
According to a German newspaper, the leader of the Opposition(Vitali Klitschko) is getting booed out in speeches. Apparently, he doesn't act decisively, quick and violent enough for the protesters.
Can anyone confirm this?
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;43653988]According to a German newspaper, the leader of the Opposition(Vitali Klitschko) is getting booed out in speeches. Apparently, he doesn't act decisively, quick and violent enough for the protesters.
Can anyone confirm this?[/QUOTE]
Yeah it happened. The problem is that Klitschko tries to do it the civil way and get Yanukovich to stand down because he knows that [b] radicals never keep the power they aqquire [/b]. He wants legitimate goverment, while the people on the streets want everything done magically with one blow.
He failed to describe what the hell they were doing with Yanukovich for so long. Actually the current goverment is just waiting for some miracle to save it and doesn't back off a step. In that situation it feels like Klitschko doesn't achieve anything. And that's true, but he is not the one to blame.
The hate towards leaders of oposition might also be provoked by Russian/Nationalists/Whatever agents that are not interested in the oposition getting organised under the lead of a liberal and european-style leader.
The smallest possible concession has been granted
[url]http://www.france24.com/en/breaking/20140124-ukraine-parliament-examine-changes-anti-protest-laws/[/url]
[quote]The Ukrainian parliament is to examine changes to the country’s anti-protest legislation signed into law last week, President Viktor Yanukovich has said.[/quote]
I don't get how they think that's going to do jack shit. At the very very most, it will just go back to peaceful protests, because the initial problem hasn't been fixed. However my money is being on it's gone past the point of no return.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mCx7pZS.png[/IMG]
What's up with the blue lights?
[QUOTE=Irockz;43654648][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mCx7pZS.png[/IMG]
What's up with the blue lights?[/QUOTE]
Flashlights probably, I think they turn them on very frequently just to be careful.
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