but on the other hand, we know that the riot cops have been disappearing people and tortured (and maybe killed) at least one protester in the woods
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;43686572]I do actually feel sorry for the riot cops.[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for both sides. They are pretty much victims of a bad government. This wouldn't be happening if the rioters didn't have a cause to protest for, evidently.
[QUOTE=Cone;43687751]but on the other hand, we know that the riot cops have been disappearing people and tortured (and maybe killed) at least one protester in the woods[/QUOTE]
Most Berkut cops are Russians or recruited from the east of Ukraine where there is a lot of Russian influence, they do this because a lot of Russians hate Ukrainian people. Hence the dissapearing people and torture.
Also there are reports of Russian spetsnaz in Ukraine.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJkFMb_TPIY[/media]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43687648]Because doing so risks a very bloody fight?[/QUOTE]
And throwing molotovs, hitting people with chains and huge chunks of wood doesn't? Come on it's already a bloody fight. This shit wouldn't last 5 seconds in the UK or US. People would be shot.
[QUOTE=Gustafa;43687885]And throwing molotovs, hitting people with chains and huge chunks of wood doesn't? Come on it's already a bloody fight. This shit wouldn't last 5 seconds in the UK or US. People would be shot.[/QUOTE]
You're delusional. (there wouldn't be anything like this in UK or US because the change is so gradual, you can't afford to protest over corruption, over the fear of losing the little comfort you still have)
The only reason they let the protesters continue is because they hope at one point they'll be able to say: "hurr the protesters use too much violence we have to stop them". That's why they're provoked in the first place.
But at the same time it might turn against them because you cannot fully predict how a population will act.
[QUOTE=Gustafa;43687885]And throwing molotovs, hitting people with chains and huge chunks of wood doesn't? Come on it's already a bloody fight. This shit wouldn't last 5 seconds in the UK or US. People would be shot.[/QUOTE]
So obviously the solution is to make it worse!
[QUOTE=Squad1993;43687749]So uh...
The tanks are 30 minutes away guys.[/QUOTE]
If they clank harder maybe the gods will cast the tanks into oblivion.
the clanking is a warding spell that keeps the tanks 30 minutes from the city
This thread is 35 pages of clanking and 30-minutes jokes.
[sp]Can't wait for this half-hour to pass so shit will happen.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ghost656;43687874]Most Berkut cops are Russians or recruited from the east of Ukraine where there is a lot of Russian influence, they do this because a lot of Russians hate Ukrainian people. Hence the dissapearing people and torture.
Also there are reports of Russian spetsnaz in Ukraine.
[/QUOTE]
Why do you assume that Russians hate Ukrainians?
Its mostly other way around, at least in case of nationalist from Western Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Kefirman;43689691]Why do you assume that Russians hate Ukrainians?
Its mostly other way around, at least in case of nationalist from Western Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
Usually if x hates y, y hates x too
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;43689854]Usually if x hates y, y hates x too[/QUOTE]
True, except if you love somebody.
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;43689854]Usually if x hates y, y hates x too[/QUOTE]
It must be so comforting living in such a black and white world.
The past 4 or 5 pages have been an embarrassment.
[QUOTE=Virtanen;43690425]It must be so comforting living in such a black and white world.[/QUOTE]
What's with the aggression? I never specifically said that's the definitive rule, like most things in life there are a lot of exceptions, however I'm sure this is one of those things where the general rule fits
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43690490]The past 4 or 5 pages have been an embarrassment.[/QUOTE]
why?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;43691156]why?[/QUOTE]
The embarrasment is 30 minutes away.
[QUOTE=Kefirman;43689691]Why do you assume that Russians hate Ukrainians?
Its mostly other way around, at least in case of nationalist from Western Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
The hatred is justified considering what Russia did to Ukraine.
And I didn't assume that all Russians hate Ukrainians, I said that a lot of them do. And it's not much less than Ukrainians hate Russians
I really doubt a true Ukrainian would enjoy torturing protesters and keep on doing his job working for the wrong people.
Divided We Stand level requirement reduced from 4/11/18 to 3/10/17
FUCK YES! :dance:
[QUOTE=Acti;43692114]Divided We Stand level requirement reduced from 4/11/18 to 3/10/17
FUCK YES! :dance:[/QUOTE]
Reduced or not, still a better idea to upgrade mobs than to dump shit into hero skills, doesn't matter how much more ground you can cover with it.
[editline]27th January 2014[/editline]
I mean, Ukraine is fucking huge. 4 clones of yourself can't cover all of Kiev.
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;43690575]What's with the aggression? I never specifically said that's the definitive rule, like most things in life there are a lot of exceptions, however I'm sure this is one of those things where the general rule fits[/QUOTE]
Aggression? I was genuinely being sincere, sorry if I came across as aggressive.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;43691621]
I really doubt a true Ukrainian would enjoy torturing protesters and keep on doing his job working for the wrong people.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to true Russian, I assume?
Anyway, "the wrong people" bit comes across as terribly idealistic. Riot cops and various special services don't work for "wrong" or "right" people, they don't work for people at all. They work for faceless, non-personified state. They have their functions, and they execute them as needed. You can't expect riot cops to suddenly just "open their eyes". Same as journalists, they're not supposed to pick sides. Riot cops are there to enforce order, that's what they're trying to do, for the better of everyone, not just government.
And that strange vid with "CCO" guys doesn't really prove Russian influence, Belorussia has the same service with the same name. I can easily imagine Ukrainian government calling for help from Belorussian special forces, considering they have anti-riot experience, unlike their Russian counterpart.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43690490]The past 4 or 5 pages have been an embarrassment.[/QUOTE]
That one where Paul said black culture was the reason for lack of protest like this around here has to be the single dumbest post in the entire thread.
Including everything U.S.S.R said.
[QUOTE=Riller;43689539]This thread is 35 pages of clanking and 30-minutes jokes.
[sp]Can't wait for this half-hour to pass so shit will happen.[/sp][/QUOTE]
It won't be a joke when the tanks arrive in 30 minutes.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;43689527]the clanking is a warding spell that keeps the tanks 30 minutes from the city[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6niREbHhgE[/media]
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43692608]That one where Paul said black culture was the reason for lack of protest like that has to be the single dumbest post in the entire thread.
Including everything U.S.S.R said.[/QUOTE]
I never said that. I said that's why you couldn't have successful violent protests.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43693342]I never said that. I said that's why you couldn't have successful violent protests.[/QUOTE]
That is what I said.
And let me repeat, [i]what you said was idiotic in the extreme.[/i]
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43692608]That one where Paul said black culture was the reason for lack of protest like this around here has to be the single dumbest post in the entire thread.
Including everything U.S.S.R said.[/QUOTE]
Everything I said was right from a philosophical standpoint. If the protesters take power, the eastern/government supportive side of the country will be at the political mercy of the opposition.
The Berkut will have no legal protections, either, while every past protester, no matter what they've done, will be cut an awful lot of slack. Goes the same way the other way around. For one side to win, one side is gonna have to lose. Compromise wouldn't have worked out at all considering what each side was demanding.
I'm not good at making decisive argumentative points, even when I'm up against a group who is fine with people pelting each other with bombs and rocks as long as it strokes their ideals.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43693751]Everything I said was right from a philosophical standpoint. If the protesters take power, the eastern/government supportive side of the country will be at the political mercy of the opposition.
The Berkut will have no legal protections, either, while every past protester, no matter what they've done, will be cut an awful lot of slack. Goes the same way the other way around. For one side to win, one side is gonna have to lose. Compromise wouldn't have worked out at all considering what each side was demanding.
I'm not good at making decisive argumentative points, even when I'm up against a group who is fine with people pelting each other with bombs and rocks as long as it strokes their ideals.[/QUOTE]
from a philosophical standpoint? what???? i don't think you understand philosophy. and i think you're missing the posts where people have been showing that protests are occurring over eastern ukraine as well.
[editline]28th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43693751]Everything I said was right from a philosophical standpoint. If the protesters take power, the eastern/government supportive side of the country will be at the political mercy of the opposition.
The Berkut will have no legal protections, either, while every past protester, no matter what they've done, will be cut an awful lot of slack. Goes the same way the other way around. For one side to win, one side is gonna have to lose. Compromise wouldn't have worked out at all considering what each side was demanding.
[B]I'm not good at making decisive argumentative points, even when I'm up against a group who is fine with people pelting each other with bombs and rocks as long as it strokes their ideals.[/B][/QUOTE]
also, god you're such a hypocrite, you're the one that's been fantasizing about the riot cops violently destroying the protestors this entire thread, which i think is a little more extreme than molotovs and rocks
also throwing stones and molotovs vs stopping moving ambulances, taking the wounded patients out to the woods, and torturing and shooting them there. i don't think anything less than a government-strength effort could match that kind of shit
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