Not good
[url]https://twitter.com/MaximEristavi/status/435918760936218624[/url]
Jesus christ this scares the hell out of me. We don't need another civil war, we don't. I hope that this is just a flare up and never leads to anything worse, I don't want to see more blood spilled in vain.
For those who said the APC was stopping: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SoMUxGkBlf0[/url]
(someone link it right?)
You can see it slam right into the barricade trying to break it
Oh my goodness. I hope no fpers are in this area.
[QUOTE=czarcasm;43963231]
Also; [url]https://www.facebook.com/euromaidanpr/posts/611352248919503[/url][/QUOTE]
it looks pretty clearly like this-
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Flag-unused-combination-white-red-blue.png[/t]
which is an unused flag design. This is the russian flag-
[t]http://www.tarzanija.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/PODR%C5%A0KA-BRATU-BUGARINU5.jpg[/t]
only way it could actually be the russian flag is if the faint border between the red/white is actually a blue stripe that's folding over on itself and just creating an optical illusion
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;43963732]For those who said the APC was stopping: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SoMUxGkBlf0[/url]
(someone link it right?)
You can see it slam right into the barricade trying to break it[/QUOTE]
Damn, they did not care
I found a quote in a thread elsewhere
[quote=Redditor]"It appears that Yanukovych has made an appointment with Ceaușescu and Gadaffi"[/quote]
...let us hope so
[QUOTE=Vilusia;43963809]Oh my goodness. I hope no fpers are in this area.[/QUOTE]
There are FPers in this area
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43962618]The police being petrol bombed while under orders to stand still and not react.
The police being shot at with live ammunition.
The police being being petrol bombed in a vehicle so they can't escape.
The police being killed by terrorists.
Honestly I don't see why you people celebrate this.[/QUOTE]
This could've been the Warsaw uprising and you'd still sympathize with the Germans.
more deaths
[url]https://twitter.com/ashevch/status/435926570885480448[/url] nsfw
[QUOTE=BlackPhoenix;43963911]There are FPers in this area[/QUOTE]
Noooo be safe :(
[QUOTE=Vilusia;43964717]Noooo be safe :([/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure there were Egyptian FRers during the Arab Spring, and I'm pretty sure they were all alright.
I'm hoping it's the case with Ukrainian FPers, too. With the evidence pointing toward the Ukrainian government firing on civilians with live rounds, things may change though..
I can't find any good streams anymore, and I'm not sure if this is live or not:
[video=youtube;Y_LFrMcoEm4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4[/video]
Euromajdan is just showing cleanups, so I'm confused.
cant fix the video for some reason
[QUOTE=Incoming.;43966450]I can't find any good streams anymore, and I'm not sure if this is live or not:
[video=youtube;Y_LFrMcoEm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4[/video]
Euromajdan is just showing cleanups, so I'm confused.[/QUOTE]
For me people are still throwing molotovs at the wall of fire
-snip, posted late material-
[video=youtube;DipJOV01Pr4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DipJOV01Pr4[/video]
protestors being shot at with a kalashnikov
Jesus christ guys, this shit is fucked.
[QUOTE=Turing;43970220]
protestors being shot at with a kalashnikov[/QUOTE]
It's ok for the protesters to shoot and kill policemen though because they're the good guys.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43970449]It's ok for the protesters to shoot and kill policemen though because they're the good guys.[/QUOTE]
You gonna find examples of anyone in the thread saying "I love it when cops/anyone/protesters get murdered" or is the septic hose that is your posting just gonna keep going at full tilt.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43970449]It's ok for the protesters to shoot and kill policemen though because they're the good guys.[/QUOTE]
give me an example of the protestors shooting "policemen"
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
oh wait your the guy who wrote this
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43961801]Thugs like this
[t]http://i.imgur.com/2xp5L41.jpg[/t]
[t]http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/01/140124_Ukraine/140124_FOR_Ukraine-04.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg[/t]
Must raise some suspicions. The rioters are not all "good people" fighting for their freedom. They are politically motivated. Its a power grab piggybacking on a legitimate cause, once the riots are over the rioters will have to be very careful about who gets in power or the freedom they fought for will be comprised by the very people they fought with.
You assume the APC was going to crush those people, then why did it stop. They obviously used the breaks, the momentum would carry it forward and having those petrol bombs thrown at it wouldn't slow it down. False assumptions and blindly supporting the rioters will lead you to the wrong conclusions and heavily bias view points.
edit: the guys in that picture are out to kill. They are trying to provoke a violent response from the police. They don't care if police or rioters die. They are animals.
"Oh but theyre cool and look all stalker and shit." They're terrorists.
If they got shot by a police sniper I wouldn't mourn their passing.
edit again: it was a peaceful protest until the rioters started shooting and throwing molotovs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Turing;43970496]give me an example of the protestors shooting "policemen"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there are lots of photos of the protesters pointing guns. Guess who's the target. Also, I don't see any difference between shooting people and making the burn to death with these fancy molotovs.
Honestly, I don't know what to think about this conflict. Both sides look disgusting for me, except maybe some police guys who were forsed to join all this massacre.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43970476]You gonna find examples of anyone in the thread saying "I love it when cops/anyone/protesters get murdered" or is the septic hose that is your posting just gonna keep going at full tilt.[/QUOTE]
My point is your arguments are entirely 1 sided.
The APC stopped before it hit the people, its designed for off road rough conditions. A few burnt tyres, bricks and molotovs wouldn't have enough force to stop the moving APC. The driver clearly used his breaks.
In the early stages of the riot the police were stood in a line, not reacting. The protesters threw molotovs and shot at the police, the police responded badly, true but the rioters initiated the violence.
You see pictures of Rioters with military gear, guns, daggers and molotovs. They are actively out to hurt/kill the police.
Yet from all this you come to the conclusion that the police are the ultimate baddies who make draconian laws and the protesters are the very epitome of justice and liberation.
The government made those laws, you don't know what measures are in place to keep those cops loyal. Some cops might genuinely believe what they are doing is right - That crowd isn't a majority of the population, they are trying to force their political beliefs on others through use of, in some cases deadly, violence.
The police are not the bad guys you wish them to be to satisfy your "black and white" "good and evil" mindset.
The police have had their friends maimed and killed. You see pictures of a protesters with a bloody head and think "baww hes a victim" You don't see the picture of a policeman with a burnt face, the police act professionally and don't have a media campaign showing how heroic they are. For all you know the injured protesters could have charged at the police with a knife seconds before.
You've watched the rebel media and been totally duped into 100% 1 sided thinking. Be more critical instead of just thinking "cops r bad".
Just to make it clear, the laws which started the riot were wrong, but they should have been dealt with in a democratic manner with the opposition taking part in talks. Radical members of the rebels escalated the riot to the point where democratic process could no longer take place. The radical elements started violence against the police with hope they would retaliate. You are not seeing a democratic movement, the ones who pushed the riot this far are opposed to that because they realise this is a more feasible grab for power. They are using the protesters and pressuring the police to act against the protesters.
Please read before replying. Feel free to rate dumb or disagree once you have read.
[QUOTE=Turing;43970496]give me an example of the protestors shooting "policemen"[/QUOTE]
You can't deny that lots of policemen were killed last night. Nearly as many as the protesters.
You also can't deny that protesters dragged a pro-government journalist out of his car and shot him dead last night either.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43970590]You can't deny that lots of policemen were killed last night. Nearly as many as the protesters.
You also can't deny that protesters dragged a pro-government journalist out of his car and shot up dead last night either.[/QUOTE]
there has been no evidence of protestors using guns, that arent airguns
can you give me a source on that last claim, it sounds like it was done by "titushky" aka provocateurs who are paid to go to euromaidan and instigate violence
but yeah, many of them are armed with molotovs, spikes and other weapons
i feel really bad for the police/military people who are forced to go fight, they have no choice because they cant disobey their orders and they have to fight their fellow countrymen
and i haven't looked only at "rebel media", i watched RT and other russian news which are very heavily sided with the Yanukovych goverment
[QUOTE=Tureis;43964192]This could've been the Warsaw uprising and you'd still sympathize with the Germans.[/QUOTE]
Forgot to reply to this gem.
Warsaw was a ghetto, their people were being sent en masse to death camps soley because of their heritage. Women were raped, children starved.
Very different situation. Interesting to see people agree with you though. Not sure why they would do that.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Turing;43970662]there has been no evidence of protestors using guns, that arent airguns
can you give me a source on that last claim, it sounds like it was done by "titushky" aka provocateurs who are paid to go to euromaidan and instigate violence
[/QUOTE]
"The protesters do nothing bad. The ones who do bad stuff are actually hired by the government to kill government supporters"
Idonteven
[QUOTE=Turing;43970662]there has been no evidence of protestors using guns, that arent airguns
can you give me a source on that last claim, it sounds like it was done by "titushky" aka provocateurs who are paid to go to euromaidan and instigate violence
but yeah, many of them are armed with molotovs, spikes and other weapons
i feel really bad for the police/military people who are forced to go fight, they have no choice because they cant disobey their orders and they have to fight their fellow countrymen
and i haven't looked only at "rebel media", i watched RT and other russian news which are very heavily sided with the Yanukovych goverment[/QUOTE]
[url]http://vesti.ua/kiev/38221-pogib-korrespondent-vestej-vjacheslav-veremij[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26258998[/url]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-protests-police-officer-shot-dead-as-violence-continues-in-kiev-despite-concessions-9084097.html[/url]
I'm finding it odd that people are not realizing that these legitimate democratic protests are being piggybacked by large and powerful far-right and ultra-nationalist groups which often instigate the worst of the violence. Just like with Syria.
There are a lot of scum on both sides and its the normal protesters who are getting caught between them and often dying.
[QUOTE=Turing;43970220][video=youtube;DipJOV01Pr4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DipJOV01Pr4[/video]
protestors being shot at with a kalashnikov[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, that was a pretty average looking woman just being mown down with a full auto burst from an AK, it did not look like they did anything to threaten the life of someone.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43970666]Forgot to reply to this gem.
Warsaw was a ghetto, their people were being sent en masse to death camps soley because of their heritage. Women were raped, children starved.
Very different situation. Interesting to see people agree with you though. Not sure why they would do that.
[editline]19th February 2014[/editline]
"The protesters do nothing bad. The ones who do bad stuff are actually hired by the government to kill government supporters"
Idonteven[/QUOTE]
thats not even close to what i said
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