• The next USB plug will finally be reversible
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[QUOTE=pentium;43069425]You're hilarious.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I think we've come a long way with USB. Sure, there's still some weird differences between mini-USB and micro-USB, but overall it's already pretty good
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;43069910]I still keep trying to stick USB's into ethernet ports[/QUOTE] Worst is when it fits in the ethernet port on your first try and you totally think it's okay and good to go, so you don't look at it, then wonder why your mouse won't work. I've just learned the rule of thumb that, if it takes less than three times, it's in wrong.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;43070018']Apple pulled it off with one of the iPod shuffles.[/QUOTE] Ever tried unplugging a amplifier from your PC while the amp is on? Do you love that [I]"BUZZZZTT!!"[/I] sound the speaker inveitably makes? now imagine something similar going on the USB data lines. I don't expect cheap chinese gadgets from being featuring the circuitry required to protect it. And even though they're quite shitty, I also believe it's a shitty maneuver to exclude the lowest denominator because their devices gets fried easily. It'll just be [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle"]unnecessarily complicating[/URL] the circuitry. [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43070069]"It just feels too loose... something isn't right here..."[/QUOTE] [I]That's what she said :v:[/I]
[QUOTE=Van-man;43069821]Would require some conical plug in order to avoid the connectors from conducting signals to the wrong destination when you plug-in and/or unplug it.[/QUOTE] Some sort of handshake between two devices would work. [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Demache;43069889]For a second I thought you were talking about mini-DIN connectors. It was the exact same shit with PS/2 and S-Video.[/QUOTE] Not DINs. Do not like DINs. (Bent one of the connectors on a DIN connector a few years ago, was a huge pain in the ass to figure out what was wrong with the mouse..)
[QUOTE=Van-man;43070281][I]That's what she said :v:[/I][/QUOTE] Why yes... yes that is indeed what she said.
[QUOTE=Van-man;43070281]Ever tried unplugging a amplifier from your PC while the amp is on? Do you love that [I]"BUZZZZTT!!"[/I] sound the speaker inveitably makes? now imagine something similar going on the USB data lines. I don't expect cheap chinese gadgets from being featuring the circuitry required to protect it. And even though they're quite shitty, I also believe it's a shitty maneuver to exclude the lowest denominator because their devices gets fried easily. It'll just be [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle"]unnecessarily complicating[/URL] the circuitry. [I]That's what she said :v:[/I][/QUOTE] Why not do it like this [img]http://cdn.macrumors.com/article/2010/09/23/152611-pogo_plug_headphone_jack.jpg[/img] Have the tip be used for +5v and have the contact point at the very end so that 5v is disconnected first when you pull it out.
Now would be a great time to invest in companies that make cable adapters.
[QUOTE=pentium;43069425]You're hilarious.[/QUOTE] Please, if we had it your way we would all still be using serial ports and SCSI.
[QUOTE=Angus725;43070336]Some sort of handshake between two devices would work.[/QUOTE] Complicating it. Countering a hardware flaw with software is begging for trouble.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43070745]Please, if we had it your way we would all still be using serial ports and SCSI.[/QUOTE] Fuck that. We'd all use BUS/TAG. [img]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4124/5092339415_75cdb051de.jpg[/img] I'm actually going to be honest and say that Firewire 400's connector was brilliant. It was impossible to plug it in backwards. [img]http://www.cablestogo.com/static/content/images/resources/connector-guides/450/049_6_pin_firewire_f_front.jpg[/img]
They already do this, you just need to push really, really hard until you hear a loud click
Good, I can't stand these 4th dimensional usb plugs that we're stuck with now. [img]https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1377078_528925170527230_1484626703_n.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=pentium;43070892] [img]http://www.cablestogo.com/static/content/images/resources/connector-guides/450/049_6_pin_firewire_f_front.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Except when you DID manage it you caused sparks. I know this from experience, granted that was in a "touring" situation where ruggedised connectors are usually used (See Neutrik's line of ruggedised USB and Firewire) I love firewire, I hate the connector :(.
All they need to do is create plugs that have two sets of parallel contacts that one set is backwards, then use the same connectors. Easy? I mean, you'd have to fix the plastic bit in the USB but other then that this is easily done.
I always seem to break ports and stuff. It's annoying. I managed to break all the USB ports on my 360 for some reason, ports on 2 phones I had and some other devices too. I can't wait for the wireless/non breakable future.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;43069731]I've never understood this issue. I've never plugged a USB cable in the wrong way. Layouts are standardized, so the hollow side goes up on a horizontal jack and right on a vertical jack. I figured this out on my own when I was like 6.[/QUOTE] Layouts are standardized but it's for nil if you're not certain of the orientation of whatever you're trying to plug in. Unless you look, and I figure most people don't (or you could just be unable to see it). I never have any problems plugging in USB sticks that I frequently use. It's the plain cables or USB sticks that with casings that look the same both ways that gives me trouble.
I cannot believe this was invented. I had know idea how difficult it was for most people turn the USB around the right way, consumers are dumber than I thought.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;43077514]I cannot believe this was invented. I had know idea how difficult it was for most people turn the USB around the right way, consumers are dumber than I thought.[/QUOTE] It's a harmless improvement and is no way correlated with consumer's intelligence. Your comment lacks intelligence or any sort of critical thinking. This next standard in USB isn't all about the reverseability, but the improvements in performance.
[QUOTE=Within;43069558][img]http://i.imgur.com/lLcxrwG.png[/img][/QUOTE] What.
[QUOTE=strazyyy;43077597]What.[/QUOTE] One of the more quirkier things we have discovered about Quantum Theory is human/concious observation or intervention will actually cause one of many possibilities to become the perceivable outcome. So the USB will not have an Up or Down position, and will remain in "superposition" until you look at it and find out which way round it is, and most people including myself end up looking at it even after 3 attempts.
[QUOTE=whatthe;43077548]It's a harmless improvement and is no way correlated with consumer's intelligence. Your comment lacks intelligence or any sort of critical thinking. This next standard in USB isn't all about the reverseability, but the improvements in performance.[/QUOTE]Thank you Professor, but you haven't explained why "reverseability" is necessary in the first place. How stupid do you have to be to workout that you plugged the cable in upside down? Why waste time and effort inventing something which isn't solving an issue people aren concerned with? The article does not mention any improvements in performance it's just referring to the connector. [editline]6th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=strazyyy;43077597]What.[/QUOTE]-snip- -I was completely wrong, how embarrassing-
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;43077833]Thank you Professor, but you haven't explained why "reverseability" is necessary in the first place. How stupid do you have to be to workout that you plugged the cable in upside down? Why waste time and effort inventing something which isn't solving an issue people aren concerned with? The article does not mention any improvements in performance it's just referring to the connector.[/QUOTE] It isn't a necessity you dong head it is just nice ffs. It creates a more universal and simplified standard and runs along the same lines as optimization. It is a funny trope many people experience and we are celebrating a funny ass joke about how no matter the intelligence level of a human being, we are still prone to such minor faults, it is a humbling quality of this type of comedy. You seem to be on a pretty high throne about this and are determined to make out others are stupid. It goes without saying the next standard will bring with it better performance, what do you think they have been doing all this time? In fact we have known about the projected performance increase for the majority of this year. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_3.1[/URL] [QUOTE]USB 3.1 A January 2013 press release[21] from the USB group reveals plans to update USB 3.0 to 10 Gbit/s to put it on par with Thunderbolt by mid-2013. A June 2013 DigiTimes article described this as "USB 3.5" and quoted ASMedia Technology president Chewei Lin as saying the chips were in development, with availability scheduled for 2014.[22] USB 3.1 was announced on 31 July 2013.[23] The new specification introduces a faster transfer mode called "SuperSpeed USB 10 Gbps", its logo features a SUPERSPEED+ caption. It increases the signalling rate to 10 Gbit/s, double that of USB 3.0, and reduces line encoding overhead to just 3% by changing the scheme to 128b/132b. Developer sessions aimed at developers wishing to implement the new specification began on 21 August 2013.[24] The standard is backwards compatible with USB 3.0 and USB 2.0. Utilizing five power profiles defined in the USB Power Delivery Specification, it will allow devices with larger energy demands to request higher currents and supply voltages from compliant hosts, up to 2 A at 5 V (for a power consumption of up to 10 W) and optionally up to 5 A at either 12 V (60 W) or 20 V (100 W).[25][/QUOTE]
Since announcing the devices compatibility is already a part of the USB protocol this should work quite nicely, and short of that they could send the initial data through a specific lane and the controller can use that to determine orientation. I want them to use this for network and video cables now, connecting laptops to ethernet can be a pain and trying to plug in a DVI or VGA cable blind is just awful. Plus, I've been wanting support for directly connecting host devices like two computers without a middle man, it really is kind of silly that they don't do that yet.
[QUOTE=SonicXV;43078123]Since announcing the devices compatibility is already a part of the USB protocol this should work quite nicely, and short of that they could send the initial data through a specific lane and the controller can use that to determine orientation. I want them to use this for network and video cables now, connecting laptops to ethernet can be a pain and trying to plug in a DVI or VGA cable blind is just awful. Plus, I've been wanting support for directly connecting host devices like two computers without a middle man, it really is kind of silly that they don't do that yet.[/QUOTE] Yes, this, exactly. A more universal direction of connectors is what we need.
[QUOTE=Van-man;43070833]Complicating it. Countering a hardware flaw with software is begging for trouble.[/QUOTE] Would be done on a hardware level, not software.
[QUOTE=Angus725;43078172]Would be done on a hardware level, not software.[/QUOTE] And also increasing complexity, and thus either increasing price or lowering durability. Also the problem with blindly plugging and unplugging has pretty much been solved with front mounted USB ports for the commonly plugged & unplugged devices. And the fact that backwards compatibility is thrown out of the window pretty much eliminates one of the key features of USB.
[QUOTE=Van-man;43079426]And also increasing complexity, and thus either increasing price or lowering durability. Also the problem with blindly plugging and unplugging has pretty much been solved with front mounted USB ports for the commonly plugged & unplugged devices. And the fact that backwards compatibility is thrown out of the window pretty much eliminates one of the key features of USB.[/QUOTE] The increase in complexity is not significant compared to the USB controller's complexity. The reversible USB will break compatibility anyway.
We have until 2016 supposedly to ready ourselves for the change-over. backwards compatibility isn't going to bother me too much.
[QUOTE=Angus725;43080753]The increase in complexity is not significant compared to the USB controller's complexity. The reversible USB will break compatibility anyway.[/QUOTE] So it'll just end up like Thunderbolt, except with more overhead. [I]Nice...[/I]
[QUOTE=pentium;43069425]You're hilarious.[/QUOTE] I would LOVE to see thunderbolt replace USB honestly [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=whatthe;43081067]We have until 2016 supposedly to ready ourselves for the change-over. backwards compatibility isn't going to bother me too much.[/QUOTE] Hey, I still use one of these bad boys [url]http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Force-Feedback-Joystick/dp/B00005NIMB[/url] one of the best non HOTAS joysticks ever
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