Life extension technology? Let's give it to prisoners to make them suffer! - Polidicks

[QUOTE=axelord157;44238246]That sounds like a BADASS plot to a cyberpunk-themed game.[/QUOTE] Sounds like: The Lawnmower Man

[QUOTE=deltasquid;44235376]Hahahaha what the hell. That's literally going against the point of prisons; keeping dangerous criminals out of society until they are rehabilitated enough to go out (if ever). This is just turning a prison into an elaborate revenge.[/QUOTE] Actually US Prison is meant to punish, so this is pretty in-line with what they do here.

considering how someone actually had the balls to bring this to the press while actually thinking its a good idea, you can bet as soon as the technology exists, and its feasible/cheap, SOMEONE will try to use it. imagine fucked up nations like north korea or hell even organized crime getting their hands on this shit.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44237387]Why does everyone deserve rehabilitation?, what about people that got murdered? there's no way to bring them back[/QUOTE] Because it's called the Justice System, not the Vengeance System.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44244087]considering how someone actually had the balls to bring this to the press while actually thinking its a good idea, you can bet as soon as the technology exists, and its feasible/cheap, SOMEONE will try to use it. imagine fucked up nations like north korea or hell even organized crime getting their hands on this shit.[/QUOTE] you don't even have to go that far to see why the brain upload idea is horrifying. just think about it: in a virtual space, logic doesn't have to affect any of what's going on inside the simulation. none of it has to make sense at all, and every last inch would be designed to terrify, maim, and torture, seemingly without end. doesn't sound so bad? consider this: if you owned every last resource in the universe and dedicated every molecule of it to causing atrocities on a galactic scale, nothing short of bending reality itself would be able to encompass one one billionth of the potential for evil allowed within these systems. without any kind of logic, the rational human mind literally cannot comprehend how monstrous the sheer tortures would be. no crime of any scale has compared to what will happen in there, nor could it ever - all preceding atrocities have been bound by reality, forcing a cold and constrictive lattice of rationality onto even the most insanely genocidal individuals. no such boundary exists here. whoever would design the tortures used in such systems would be literally worse than every war criminal who has ever existed, or ever will exist. and one of our major news publications supports it. DAILY MAIL

[QUOTE=bravehat;44244703]Because it's called the Justice System, not the Vengeance System.[/QUOTE] Stop talking about Justice, no one even mentioned Justice. It's just Vengeance versus rehabilitation. Justice doesn't come into play here, if you didn't notice ...

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;44238449]Guys, I just thought of something. There could be GOOD implications of this! Think: If you get a 45 year sentence at the age of 25 your life is pretty much over; when you get out of prison, if you even life to, the high points and possibilities of your life is gone. All you've got left is to get an apartment somewhere and die. It's almost like a second punishment and I personally find it sort of unfair and cruel. But using this technology, someone could serve their 20, 45, 100 year sentence for whatever fuck awful thing they did and then come out of it at the age they were imprisoned (+ 8 hours for the simulation to take place), and a better person for it, ready to live their life steered straight by their punishment. It would also help the prison system by getting people in and out literally 100000X quicker. As long as this (theoretical) technology werent abused, it could be great.[/QUOTE] The only problem is that rehabilitation takes more than just letting someone sit in a cell for 25 years non-stop.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44244983]Stop talking about Justice, no one even mentioned Justice. It's just Vengeance versus rehabilitation. Justice doesn't come into play here, if you didn't notice ...[/QUOTE] Well it fucking should, because it's the Justice system, 1000 years in prison for murder isn't justice, it's just fucking retribution and if that's what you're after then fuck off and live with some chimps, they're all about pointless killing.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44238043]Killing him would personally make me feel better, but it's not correct course of action.[/QUOTE] if killing someone would make you feel better, are you not the same as a murderer?

[QUOTE=bravehat;44245169]Well it fucking should, because it's the Justice system, 1000 years in prison for murder isn't justice, it's just fucking retribution and if that's what you're after then fuck off and live with some chimps, they're all about pointless killing.[/QUOTE] Well I completely agree, but no one seemed to point of the justice part. so since you're the first, explain how the following scenario is just : A person rapes tortures and kills another human being, that person ceases to exist. The killer gets to keep existing in the world and gets rehabilitated. Is this just?

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44244983]Stop talking about Justice, no one even mentioned Justice. It's just Vengeance versus rehabilitation. Justice doesn't come into play here, if you didn't notice ...[/QUOTE] Justice is a word that doesn't have a lot of intrinsic value. what is justice? The application of the law. Calling out for justice because you want blood spilled doesn't make it justice. You're in favour of retribution. Not justice. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245230]Well I completely agree, but no one seemed to point of the justice part. so since you're the first, explain how the following scenario is just : A person rapes tortures and kills another human being, that person ceases to exist. The killer gets to keep existing in the world and gets rehabilitated. Is this just?[/QUOTE] The killer is just killed in a horrible way. Is this just? No, in either case, an innocent is dead and you're saying spilling more blood is the best option.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245222]if killing someone would make you feel better, are you not the same as a murderer?[/QUOTE] I obviously don't act on my emotions, atleast I try as best as I can not to. I feel like I would feel better if I saw that person get killed, but it's not what is the just/right/correct thing to do.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245249]I obviously don't act on my emotions, atleast I try as best as I can not to. I feel like I would feel better if I saw that person get killed, but it's not what is the just/right/correct thing to do.[/QUOTE] so then why advocate for revenge and retribtutive style punishments it just ends up making you look barbaric.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245230]Well I completely agree, but no one seemed to point of the justice part. so since you're the first, explain how the following scenario is just : A person rapes tortures and kills another human being, that person ceases to exist. The killer gets to keep existing in the world and gets rehabilitated. Is this just?[/QUOTE] Nah you're right we should just kill every rapist, murderer etc. because clearly that'll show them. Killing them literally achieves nothing, absolutely nothing, the family of the victim get to watch the execution or whatever and you know what happens? Fuck all, they don't feel any better, they know that it's not gonna return their relative back to the land of the living, all that happens is they get to sit and watch someone die. Truly a shining beacon of modern humanity and morality right? Tell me how it's even somewhat justifiable killing a killer, go on, I dare you and protip, the best you'll come up with is "Well at least he's dead!"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245244]Justice is a word that doesn't have a lot of intrinsic value. what is justice? The application of the law. Calling out for justice because you want blood spilled doesn't make it justice. You're in favour of retribution. Not justice. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] The killer is just killed in a horrible way. Is this just? No, in either case, an innocent is dead and you're saying spilling more blood is the best option.[/QUOTE] Again, I'm not saying that he should be killed, I'm talking about the rehabilitation aspect.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245249]I obviously don't act on my emotions, atleast I try as best as I can not to. I feel like I would feel better if I saw that person get killed, but it's not what is the just/right/correct thing to do.[/QUOTE] An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. yes, an overused quote. doesn't mean what you're saying is right though.

[QUOTE=bravehat;44245259]Nah you're right we should just kill every rapist, murderer etc. because clearly that'll show them. Killing them literally achieves nothing, absolutely nothing, the family of the victim get to watch the execution or whatever and you know what happens? Fuck all, they don't feel any better, they know that it's not gonna return their relative back to the land of the living, all that happens is they get to sit and watch someone die. Truly a shining beacon of modern humanity and morality right? Tell me how it's even somewhat justifiable killing a killer, go on, I dare you and protip, the best you'll come up with is "Well at least he's dead!"[/QUOTE] I asked you a simple question, answer it. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245256]so then why advocate for revenge and retribtutive style punishments it just ends up making you look barbaric.[/QUOTE] I don't advocate for anything, I'm discussing the matter. I'll never have the power to make decisions like these, nor do I wish to have such power. All I'm doing is asking questions.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245271]I asked you a simple question, answer it.[/QUOTE] It's more just than executing someone, all you're doing is killing someone in some fucking idiotic display trying to differentiate yourself from the killer by killing them in some official manner. It's more just trying to rehabilitate them so they can attempt to make amends, to find some way to try and show them what they've done, to make them understand what they've done to the family and the victim. What you're suggesting isn't justice or rehabilitation, it's just tit for tat school yard bullshit that most intelligent people realise doesn't change anything, it doesn't deter anyone else, it doesn't make the families feel better, all you do is destroy another life in the best case scenario and at worst condemn an innocent person to die (since the justice system isn't infallible) and in the middle ground you kill someone and then condemn another family to the suffering of losing a loved one. Now you answer me a question, explain to me in what way killing a killer makes you any better than the criminal you're so eager to put to death for killing someone?

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44244983]Stop talking about Justice, no one even mentioned Justice. It's just Vengeance versus rehabilitation. Justice doesn't come into play here, if you didn't notice ...[/QUOTE] justice does come into play. the sentence they serve is what justice is. if they were killed because they killed someone, that'd be vengeance. rehabilitation is simply what comes after the "justice" part

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245262]Again, I'm not saying that he should be killed, I'm talking about the rehabilitation aspect.[/QUOTE] what is the opposite of rehabilitation? Punishment. So, you're either suggesting locking them up and making them suffer for their whole lives, or you're talking about killing them. In either case, no form of justice has occured.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245362]what is the opposite of rehabilitation? Punishment. So, you're either suggesting locking them up and making them suffer for their whole lives, or you're talking about killing them. In either case, no form of justice has occured.[/QUOTE] You're talking as if I wish to personally take the guy and shoot him, all I'm doing is discussing the matter, okay? Don't antagonize me and make me the ulitimate anti-rehabilitation executioner It's pretty hard for me not to get my emotions involved, which is precisely why I shouldn't be making these decisions, all I want to do is understand. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;44245340]It's more just than executing someone, all you're doing is killing someone in some fucking idiotic display trying to differentiate yourself from the killer by killing them in some official manner. It's more just trying to rehabilitate them so they can attempt to make amends, to find some way to try and show them what they've done, to make them understand what they've done to the family and the victim. What you're suggesting isn't justice or rehabilitation, it's just tit for tat school yard bullshit that most intelligent people realise doesn't change anything, it doesn't deter anyone else, it doesn't make the families feel better, all you do is destroy another life in the best case scenario and at worst condemn an innocent person to die (since the justice system isn't infallible) and in the middle ground you kill someone and then condemn another family to the suffering of losing a loved one. Now you answer me a question, explain to me in what way killing a killer makes you any better than the criminal you're so eager to put to death for killing someone?[/QUOTE] I never said that we should kill him, okay? I'm going to keep repeating this until you accept this.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245408]You're talking as if I wish to personally take the guy and shoot him, all I'm doing is discussing the matter, okay? Don't antagonize me and make me the ulitimate anti-rehabilitation executioner It's pretty hard for me not to get my emotions involved, which is precisely why I shouldn't be making these decisions, all I want to do is understand.[/QUOTE] Well i'm trying to explain to you. You were making a problem about how there is no justice in a rehabilitative system. I'm telling you there is. They serve their sentence. They move on, and hopefully are able to enter the world in a way that lets them be productive and helpful members of society. No one can bring back the dead. Nothing can change that someone is dead. So when someone calls out for the killers head on a platter, I at the very least don't see any justice here, not even a potential for justice. The spilling of more blood is a useless act. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245408] I never said that we should kill him, okay? I'm going to keep repeating this until you accept this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shreddinger;44237808]You obviously didn't see what I have seen, these people can't be rehabilitated, killing them is a fucking privilege for them The offenders that is, not the victims[/QUOTE] you did though.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245408]You're talking as if I wish to personally take the guy and shoot him, all I'm doing is discussing the matter, okay? Don't antagonize me and make me the ulitimate anti-rehabilitation executioner It's pretty hard for me not to get my emotions involved, which is precisely why I shouldn't be making these decisions, all I want to do is understand. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] I never said that we should kill him, okay? I'm going to keep repeating this until you accept this.[/QUOTE] Nah you're not saying we should kill him, you're just poorly playing the devils advocate and showing a heavy bias against the idea of anything but killing them claiming that there's no justice in any other course of action. So yeah, you're de facto saying we should kill them.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245454]Well i'm trying to explain to you. You were making a problem about how there is no justice in a rehabilitative system. I'm telling you there is. They serve their sentence. They move on, and hopefully are able to enter the world in a way that lets them be productive and helpful members of society. No one can bring back the dead. Nothing can change that someone is dead. So when someone calls out for the killers head on a platter, I at the very least don't see any justice here, not even a potential for justice. The spilling of more blood is a useless act.[/QUOTE] Yes, but the victim doesn't get to exist in the world anymore, while the killer does How is this fair, the mere fact that he gets to exist in the world after taking away someone else's existence is kind of unjust, right? This all really boils down to if the killer is ultimately responsible for his actions (what TurboSax said) ... [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;44245482]Nah you're not saying we should kill him, you're just poorly playing the devils advocate and showing a heavy bias against the idea of anything but killing them claiming that there's no justice in any other course of action. So yeah, you're de facto saying we should kill them.[/QUOTE] I'm going to ignore you from now on. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245454]Well i'm trying to explain to you. You were making a problem about how there is no justice in a rehabilitative system. I'm telling you there is. They serve their sentence. They move on, and hopefully are able to enter the world in a way that lets them be productive and helpful members of society. No one can bring back the dead. Nothing can change that someone is dead. So when someone calls out for the killers head on a platter, I at the very least don't see any justice here, not even a potential for justice. The spilling of more blood is a useless act. [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] you did though.[/QUOTE] My opinion is irrelevant, my opinion ≠ what actually should be done.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245498]Yes, but the victim doesn't get to exist in the world anymore, while the killer does How is this fair, the mere fact that he gets to exist in the world after taking away someone else's existence is kind of unjust, right? This all really boils down to if the killer is ultimately responsible for his actions (what TurboSax said) ... [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] I'm going to ignore you from now on.[/QUOTE] Feel free, cause you're just proving my point now: [quote]How is this fair, the mere fact that he gets to exist in the world after taking away someone else's existence is kind of unjust, right?[/quote] It's not just killing him, that's just straight up fact, killing him does nothing but give temporary solace to the victims family then they continue to grieve as they would regardless of whether or not the killer is alive or dead, that's what you're not getting. The family doesn't benefit, the victim sure as shit doesn't benefit from it and you're removing the possibility of the killer realising what they've done.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245498]Yes, but the victim doesn't get to exist in the world anymore, while the killer does How is this fair, the mere fact that he gets to exist in the world after taking away someone else's existence is kind of unjust, right? This all really boils down to if the killer is ultimately responsible for his actions (what TurboSax said) ... [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] I'm going to ignore you from now on.[/QUOTE] Okay, so how exactly does killing the guy make it better? Make it more fair? How does it help the dead live again? Oh right it doesn't. It just spills more blood. It just makes more dead bodies. It just makes us hypocrites who think that we have the right to take away someones life. Killing him literally does nothing but satisfy a bloodlust in those that want him dead. If I'm entirely cold and calculating about the situation, then I cannot say that killing him is the best option as it doesn't DO ANYTHING.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245539]Okay, so how exactly does killing the guy make it better? Make it more fair? How does it help the dead live again? Oh right it doesn't. It just spills more blood. It just makes more dead bodies. It just makes us hypocrites who think that we have the right to take away someones life. Killing him literally does nothing but satisfy a bloodlust in those that want him dead. If I'm entirely cold and calculating about the situation, then I cannot say that killing him is the best option as it doesn't DO ANYTHING.[/QUOTE] I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE SHOULD BE KILLED

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245362]what is the opposite of rehabilitation? Punishment. So, you're either suggesting locking them up and making them suffer for their whole lives, or you're talking about killing them. In either case, no form of justice has occured.[/QUOTE] Justice is in the eye of the beholder. You could find justice in eviscerating someone for cussing you out. Anyway, extending the lives of criminals is useless, killing them maybe (depends on how the red tape works), but [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mcrae-john-r.htm]y'know[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/miller-john-lawrence.htm]rehabilitation/release[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/ferrell-jack-dempsey.htm]isn't[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/buss-timothy.htm]the[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Willard]best[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/little-dwaine.htm]thing[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Shawcross],[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/pandeli-darrel.htm]either[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/murdaugh-michael-joe.htm].[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m1/massie-robert-lee.htm].[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m1/mcduff-kenneth.htm].[/url]

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44245557]I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE SHOULD BE KILLED[/QUOTE] then what are you saying because you've said he should be killed before you should clarify it rather than repeat what you're not saying [editline]15th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=U.S.S.R;44245563]Justice is in the eye of the beholder. You could find justice in eviscerating someone for cussing you out. Anyway, extending the lives of criminals is useless, killing them maybe (depends on how the red tape works), but [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mcrae-john-r.htm]y'know[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/miller-john-lawrence.htm]rehabilitation/release[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/ferrell-jack-dempsey.htm]isn't[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/buss-timothy.htm]the[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Willard]best[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/little-dwaine.htm]thing[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Shawcross],[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/pandeli-darrel.htm]either[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/murdaugh-michael-joe.htm].[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m1/massie-robert-lee.htm].[/url] [url=http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m1/mcduff-kenneth.htm].[/url][/QUOTE] Justice is totally in the eye of the beholding and I'm not for violent forms of justice. Yeah, that sure is proof that you can't trust rehabiliation... We should clearly just execute criminals. it'd be better, right?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44245573]then what are you saying because you've said he should be killed before you should clarify it rather than repeat what you're not saying[/QUOTE] I got my emotions involved okay? what I feel ≠ what I think should be done I can't explain this any better.