Helen Mirren thinks holding an arm around your girlfriend is sexist
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[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48688905]It is hardly passive. Seeing people just be shitty just because it's fashionable on the internet to hate anything that may be challenging is the most disgusting demonstration of vanity and arrogance I have seen in some time. I feel like I am reading posts from [I]actual[/I] middle-schoolers who have never met women, let alone people, in their entire lives. It's repugnant.[/QUOTE]
And the most demonstration of vanity and arrogance I've seen in some time are Helen Mirren quotes in this article.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48688905]It is hardly passive. Seeing people just be shitty just because it's fashionable on the internet to hate anything that may be challenging is the most disgusting demonstration of vanity and arrogance I have seen in some time. I feel like I am reading posts from [I]actual[/I] middle-schoolers who have never met women, let alone people, in their entire lives. It's repugnant.[/QUOTE]
But you agree that there is hypocrisy there right?
I don't think I'm being shitty at all. I'm actually calling something out that she takes pride in that goes against her 'beliefs' of feminism.
A lot of feminists, or vocal extremists that call themselves feminists tend to take things way too far when it comes to their argument. Is it your prerogative to sit back and make light of the obvious bullshit they perpetuate?
Yea so we get it that people who argue back and call bullshit on rightfully so bullshit "challenges" as you may call it annoy you, and that you don't necessarily agree with what the third party is saying regardless. But to be honest with you, a negative reaction is better than no reaction. These people aren't trolls looking for a reaction, they are people with extremely skewed outlooks on social non-issues. Especially in this case.
If it is truly arrogance that people like me display upon matters such as this, then its a hell of a lot better than the ignorance that you display and the notion you seemingly have to pay no attention and maybe it will go away. But the fact is that it wont go away unless people call bullshit.
Forums like this are places that people who collectively can call bullshit may spread the word with each other so that the vocal minority of feminists do not seem like a vocal majority.
In short, That was pretty passive aggressive.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48688905]It is hardly passive. Seeing people just be shitty just because it's fashionable on the internet to hate anything that may be challenging is the most disgusting demonstration of vanity and arrogance I have seen in some time. I feel like I am reading posts from [I]actual[/I] middle-schoolers who have never met women, let alone people, in their entire lives. It's repugnant.[/QUOTE]
Just relax and let people talk shit on the internet. It isn't like the words of a few anonymous Facepunchers actually mean anything.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48689017]But you agree that there is hypocrisy there right?
I don't think I'm being shitty at all. I'm actually calling something out that she takes pride in that goes against her 'beliefs' of feminism.
A lot of feminists, or vocal extremists that call themselves feminists tend to take things way too far when it comes to their argument. Is it your prerogative to sit back and make light of the obvious bullshit they perpetuate?
Yea so we get it that people who argue back and call bullshit on rightfully so bullshit "challenges" as you may call it annoy you, and that you don't necessarily agree with what the third party is saying regardless. But to be honest with you, a negative reaction is better than no reaction. These people aren't trolls looking for a reaction, they are people with extremely skewed outlooks on social non-issues. Especially in this case.
If it is truly arrogance that people like me display upon matters such as this, then its a hell of a lot better than the ignorance that you display and the notion you seemingly have to pay no attention and maybe it will go away. But the fact is that it wont go away unless people call bullshit.
Forums like this are places that people who collectively can call bullshit may spread the word with each other so that the vocal minority of feminists do not seem like a vocal majority.
In short, That was pretty passive aggressive.[/QUOTE]
Does it really invalidate whatever she says if she's a dame in the year 2015? Do you think she feels like she should probably find a knight before people start to notice or something? It's an irrelevant point. I'm not saying I agree with her or that I don't, but these threads exist only for people to be angry and post their opinions on women and feminism like which are almost entirely flawed and misguided. No one here puts in the effort to read, and they also don't seem to put in the effort to examine situations from perspectives other than their own.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48688428]They just love to hate SJWs and they look like the biggest idiots [B]trying[/B] so hard to hate.[/QUOTE]
But you don't have to try hard to hate SJWs. Listening to one for about twelve seconds usually does the trick.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;48688874]Anti-sjw circlejerking seems to be the hot ticket to being cool in Sensationalist Headlines[/QUOTE]
Good, it reminds them their ideology is not welcome. Small steps for a brighter future.
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;48689030]Just relax and let people talk shit on the internet. It isn't like the words of a few anonymous Facepunchers actually mean anything.[/QUOTE]
Nah that's fucking dumb because it allows morons to perpetuate fucking retarded ideas and causes more problems down the line when those ideas become "fact" due to the amount of time idiots have been spouting them.
It's much better to actually post counter-points and try and inform the people posting dumb shit that they are in fact posting the dumbest shit.
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;48689030]Just relax and let people talk shit on the internet. It isn't like the words of a few anonymous Facepunchers actually mean anything.[/QUOTE]
You're correct in that it's not worth getting so upset about, but it really kind of just sucks to see so many shitty people bandwagon on concepts that condone being shitty to people. It's awful! The amount of people preaching their views that conflict in so many ways OTHER than "feminism is bad/dumb" is a terrible thing to witness. It's vaguely directed hate that brings together a mob of individuals who don't care to do any amount of thinking other than what the thread title requires of them and I would so gladly not shelter these morons from another perspective.
[QUOTE=bitches;48688342]why is this even news though
she's just some random actor i've never heard of[/QUOTE]
I'm not one to judge whether this is news or not, but I wouldn't exactly call Helen Mirren "random".
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48689042]Does it really invalidate whatever she says if she's a dame in the year 2015? Do you think she feels like she should probably find a knight before people start to notice or something? It's an irrelevant point. I'm not saying I agree with her or that I don't, but these threads exist only for people to be angry and post their opinions on women and feminism like which are almost entirely flawed and misguided. No one here puts in the effort to read, and they also don't seem to put in the effort to examine situations from perspectives other than their own.[/QUOTE]
She is challenging a custom that has existed for centuries as a form of affection. Yet she wont challenge a custom that ACTUALLY stemmed from patriarchal society because it is something that benefits her.
Do you not see a trend here? Its a common trend in most extremist feminist views.
So yea, its incredibly relevant. Not just to this particular article but to the extremist movement that is getting fucking loads of media coverage these days and will only gain more.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48689109]She is challenging a custom that has existed for centuries as a form of affection. Yet she wont challenge a custom that ACTUALLY stemmed from patriarchal society because it is something that benefits her.
Do you not see a trend here? Its a common trend in most extremist feminist views.
So yea, its incredibly relevant. Not just to this particular article but to the extremist movement that is getting fucking loads of media coverage these days and will only gain more.[/QUOTE]
Boy you guys like to use "extremist" a lot. Considering she isn't saying "girls break his FUCKING ARM OFF if he does that shit", she's hardly "extreme". I think you're looking for "radical". Extremist is a much more loaded word as it implies the person actually wants to commit acts of violence to reach their goal normally.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48689109]the extremist movement that is getting fucking loads of media coverage these days and will only gain more.[/QUOTE]
You should step outside of Sensationalist Headlines every once in a while. There are a few other issues at hand in the world these days that would be called "extremist" before Helen Mirren's campaign would.
Welp, guess my gfs a self hating woman then cause she insists on cuddles. Do these people ever listen to themselves sometimes?
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;48689062]But you don't have to try hard to hate SJWs. Listening to one for about twelve seconds usually does the trick.
Good, it reminds them their ideology is not welcome. Small steps for a brighter future.[/QUOTE]
You're part of the problem.
The issue is that this sort of collective incendiary response to sjws produces an echo chamber here that has quickly become just as bad as the sort of echo chamber that sjws, and frankly any other fringe group, sit themselves in. You might think you're being hip and fighting some sort of good fight, but it festers in to a way of collective thinking that is increasingly less "anti-sjw" and more "anti-feminism". Ya'll are getting to the point where you can't see the difference between a fringe lunatic group and the people who are actually trying to do good by breaking down boundaries and challenging the status quo.
The moment a lot of people here even somewhat THINK they hear some sort of phantom sjw boogeyman at work, it completely destroys any sort of discourse and the thread becomes "haha, look at those CRAZY sjws. We are just SOOOOO much better than they are." It's a bloated narcissism beast that ya'll just keep gleefully feeding.
Jokes on her, I DON'T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND! HAH... Ahh.... mm.
[QUOTE=andy85258;48689148]Welp, guess my gfs a self hating woman then cause she insists on cuddles. Do these people ever listen to themselves sometimes?[/QUOTE]
Mirren didn't say jack shit about cuddling. That's the article author's misguided opinion on what he THINKS she said.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48688905]It is hardly passive. Seeing people just be shitty just because it's fashionable on the internet to hate anything that may be challenging is the most disgusting demonstration of vanity and arrogance I have seen in some time. I feel like I am reading posts from [I]actual[/I] middle-schoolers who have never met women, let alone people, in their entire lives. It's repugnant.[/QUOTE]
I'd love to hear the splat you create when jumping off your high horse.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48689253]I'd love to hear the splat you create when jumping off your high horse.[/QUOTE]
I get this kind of comment whenever I use less-common words. Was it vanity? Arrogance? Repugnant?
Please, you can take any issue you have with my wording or attitude to my PM box if you really care, cause I don't.
Another feminism thread on Facepunch?
:popcorn:
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48689264]I get this kind of comment whenever I use less-common words. Was it vanity? Arrogance? Repugnant?
Please, you can take any issue you have with my wording or attitude to my PM box if you really care, cause I don't.[/QUOTE]Now he thinks its due to wording. Look how smart and clever he is. We uneducated peasants have no chance to even come close to his greatness. Cute.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48689293]Now he thinks its due to wording. Look how smart and clever he is. We uneducated peasants have no chance to even come close to his greatness. Cute.[/QUOTE]
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please PM me for further discussion.
But I want to be cuddled. >:
This is a bad example, but this it's pretty obvious she is just mentioning she doesn't like the look of when men lean on women like this, because she views it as disrespectful.
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Some people think its disrespectful to let a woman walk closer to the street when walking down the sidewalk.
It's almost comical how facepunch needs to cry 'WomEN EVIL femNAZI!!1!'.
Also to not know who the Dame Helen Mirren is, is silly.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;48689196]You're part of the problem.
The issue is that this sort of collective incendiary response to sjws produces an echo chamber here that has quickly become just as bad as the sort of echo chamber that sjws, and frankly any other fringe group, sit themselves in. You might think you're being hip and fighting some sort of good fight, but it festers in to a way of collective thinking that is increasingly less "anti-sjw" and more "anti-feminism". Ya'll are getting to the point where you can't see the difference between a fringe lunatic group and the people who are actually trying to do good by breaking down boundaries and challenging the status quo.
The moment a lot of people here even somewhat THINK they hear some sort of phantom sjw boogeyman at work, it completely destroys any sort of discourse and the thread becomes "haha, look at those CRAZY sjws. We are just SOOOOO much better than they are." It's a bloated narcissism beast that ya'll just keep gleefully feeding.[/QUOTE]
This is a ludicrous assumption and even more kneejerk than you claim responses to these articles are.
Nobody here is against equality.
Do you seriously want to compare putting an arm around a girls shoulder to show affection with actual feminist ideals?
Thats why we use words like extremist or radical.
Telling some girls boyfriend to remove his damn arm for his girlfriend's shoulder is indeed extreme and radical because its quite frankly not up to this person to delegate what are what is not acceptable behaviour between two consenting individuals regardless of the twisted fucked up notion she has assembled in her mind.
I seriously don't understand how it bothers some of you as much as it does. We are dumbfounded by the ridiculousness of extreme feminist backwardness.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48689431]This is a ludicrous assumption and even more kneejerk than you claim responses to these articles are.
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You are not speaking on behalf of every other shitty poster these threads attract and acting like everyone posts like you do. I don't agree with you, but you are at least more composed than some others.
And if you read, Helen says: "I [B]want[/B] to say, ‘tell him to get his damned arm off your shoulder’.” which does not sound that extreme. You're just misusing words.
Helen Mirren? But...but I loved her in Red and Red 2. :why: Why did you betray us?
[QUOTE=Dalndox;48689222]Mirren didn't say jack shit about cuddling. That's the article author's misguided opinion on what he THINKS she said.[/QUOTE]
Wait, never mind, Helen's awesome again. I knew that this was too stupid to take seriously. Information is key, not playing telephone and fucking up the original message.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;48689450]
And if you read, Helen says: "I [B]want[/B] to say, ‘tell him to get his damned arm off your shoulder’.” which does not sound that extreme. You're just misusing words.[/QUOTE]
That changes nothing. Her views are damn ridiculous and actually quite humorous if only she was joking.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;48689196]You're part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
I feel that antagonizing SocJus whenever it shows its ugly mug is the exact opposite of a problem.
[quote]You might think you're being hip and fighting some sort of good fight, but it festers in to a way of collective thinking that is increasingly less "anti-sjw" and more "anti-feminism". Ya'll are getting to the point where you can't see the difference between a fringe lunatic group and the people who are actually trying to do good by breaking down boundaries and challenging the status quo.[/quote]
Flip the political spectrum and that fits SJWs to a T. It's kind of funny, in a taste-of-your-own-medicine way.
[QUOTE]The moment a lot of people here even somewhat THINK they hear some sort of phantom sjw boogeyman at work, it completely destroys any sort of discourse and the thread becomes "haha, look at those CRAZY sjws. We are just SOOOOO much better than they are." It's a bloated narcissism beast that ya'll just keep gleefully feeding.[/QUOTE]
I swear I've already heard that exact same response before. Usually from SocJus-y types suddenly getting all defensive (and a tad butthurt) whenever someone criticizes them ever so slightly. Is there something you want to tell us?
That said, I'd rather see that horrid, sociopathic ideology being shat on constantly to the point of absurdity, than let it feel welcome in any way. Bring forth the problematic contents and comments, let loose the hounds of triggering. Suffer not the SocJus to live.
This is so stupid... I cuddle my girlfriend even in public (like have my arms around her and all that normal type of PDA). She likes it and we view it as a normal thing some couples do. Not everyone is into PDA but whatever. I think girls like it when guys act like "yeah she's mine and I'm a lucky SOB" not in a douchebag way but in a look what I've got proud attitude. There are some guys out there that are fucking possessive as hell and I don't think that's right because it usual turns into a controlling abusive relationship. But I think when you do PDA in a way that it shows that you know how lucky you are and that you appreciate your woman and you show her how much you care about her in public it's a good thing.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48689476]That changes nothing. Her views are damn ridiculous and actually quite humorous if only she was joking.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that changes nothing except for what he was talking about?
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